Elsewhere

So it is with fascism, which is rather more than spiffy uniforms and being beastly to everyone not of the Volk. There’s a specific set of economic policies which go along with it, followed by all who themselves claimed to be fascist. From Mussolini through Salazar and Franco to, yes, Hitler and on to such people as Stroessner in Paraguay. Uniforms and beastliness, certainly, but also an insistence that it is the national that matters, the point that an economy should, as far as is possible, be entirely self-supporting. What can be made at home should be so, and trade across borders should be kept to a minimum.

Further, government shouldn’t take over private sector business (that’s state socialism) but should most certainly direct, in detail — define what wages should be, profit margins, who makes what and even how.

9 comments on “Elsewhere

  1. Thre’ssomething you wrote there provokes thought.
    ” I’m a proud neoliberal myself and it’s not just the uniforms and beastly behavior of the fascists that repulses me. For at the heart of the liberal part, the neo- is just an assertion of classical liberalism — that is, social and economic freedom. That government doesn’t insist upon who does what, that we’re all able to do as we wish, and that national borders are simply administrative conveniences rather than anything important. ”
    Now that’s going to work just fine, if all the people in your country are also neo-liberals & all the other countries outside those merely administative borders are neo-liberal too. But what if they’re not? If there’s people freely walking across those merely administative borders & freely taking up residence who are profoundly non-neoliberal. Not to mention those amongst your own nationals who don’t wish to be neo-liberals & don’t wish you to be either. And there are nations outside those administative borders run by people who aren’t neo-liberals & wish to impose their non-neoliberal ideas on yours.
    So we need a word for someone who, whilst embracing the advantages of neo-liberalism, realises that to enjoy at least some of them it might be necessary to impose them on the minority who don’t & defend those not merely administrative borders against outside interference.
    Any ideas?

  2. BoS

    Nationalist.

    I know it gets a bad name nowadays, but at its heart it simply means believing that there are things – ethnicity, history, traditions, faith, etc. – that bind people of certain locations together; that they can see the attractions of other nations, but prefer their own; and that they don’t have imperial pretensions, like, say, the EU, Communists, Nazis, neo-cons, etc..

  3. Yes, nationalist. But more than nationalist. Nationalist can include the neo-stalinists in Jockistan or the murderous Micks. The EU’s trying its best to create an EU nationalism out of peoples of diverse & often contadictory cultures.
    National liberalism?

  4. Tim this can’t be right. This definition of yours would make Colin Bines a fascist and not a socialist. You can’t say that such a thing.

  5. Strictly speaking Fascism as in Italy was not consistently racist.

    “Fascist Italy was not officially racist, unlike its World War II Axis partner of Nazi Germany. Its leader Benito Mussolini had contrasting views on the importance of race throughout his lifetime, at times speaking of alarm towards a possible extinction of white people, while at other times denying the theory of race. Consolidation of gained territory in the northeast of Italy led to state-sanctioned persecution and ethnic cleansing of Slovenes, while closer ties with Hitler caused Mussolini to collaborate in sending Italian Jews to die in the Holocaust. ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism_and_racism
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2013/04/di-canio-is-right-italian-fascism-was-not-racist/

  6. Fascism is strong, autocratic central control of a private economy. Strong, autocratic central control, whether fascist or communist, begets resistance, or just non-cooperation. Resistance begets government belligerent against its own citizens. It is this belligerence that fascism has become known for, yet it is no different than the belligerence of the communists. Unnatural government leads to totalitarian states, as government force is required to keep people in line.

    Nationalism is not required for fascism. The U.S. is fascist, but nationalism is fairly weak, the Nazi Dems trying to kill it, while Trump tries to restore it.

  7. “government … should most certainly direct, in detail — define what wages should be, profit margins, who makes what and even how.” As I said last week, that just means that their variety of socialism is more intelligent than the USSR’s or the Labour Partei’s.

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