Female musculature

OK, perhaps we’d not expect the average male Plod to beat a special forces bloke in a hand fight but still:

Prosecutor Catherine Donnelly told Canterbury Crown Court officers Jessica Arnold and Marie Roostan initially tried to reason with Palmer however Palmer grabbed PC Arnold around the throat and pinned her to the stairs in the house.

PC Arnold told Judge Catherine Brown: “I have attended many volatile and aggressive situations in my time as a police officer and yet this incident is far beyond anything I have previously experienced.

“The level of violence that was directed at my colleague and I came from nowhere.

“I had just been assaulted and my colleague was being strangled, listening to me screaming at him to let go of her throat and hearing him repeatedly say he will choke her is hard to listen to.

“I felt a real threat that my friend and colleague would lose consciousness and that it was my responsibility to protect her.”

She added: “It was only the realisation of what he was doing I think, made him release his grip.”

Perhaps a more aggressive physical intervention might have been called for? If she were capable of it, of course.

24 comments on “Female musculature

  1. As I commented at TimN’s place ref that cowardly assistant police commissioner – time to start recruiting from the amred forces, ideally those who could have qualified as guardsmen on height but must have been through P Company.

  2. No. When the police are cleared of commie control –then beef them up. Until then , if they come to arrest me for crimes against socialist evil I want them as useless as possible.

  3. Presumably the cowardly assistant police commissioner will retain full pension rights post resignation. His resignation should be refused and he should be dismissed per Ecks terms, sans compo.

  4. If he served four years in the US Army he wasn’t in their special forces. Not that that really matters. There’s definitely a time and a place for women in the old bill (and the military), but you don’t want them rolling round on the floor with drunks and thugs. Just madness, really.

  5. Perhaps a more aggressive physical intervention might have been called for? If she were capable of it, of course.

    And if she’d been equipped with a service pistol and some training, chances are she would have been capable of responding appropriately.

    This has nothing to do with the gender of the officer and everything to do with not providing the appropriate tools to a police force.

    Wogs.

  6. “Perhaps a more aggressive physical intervention might have been called for? If she were capable of it, of course.”
    Well, given the circumstances it looks like she picked a plan that might have worked and that did actually work. The Sweeney might have done things differently, but then the Sweeney might also have got a colleague’s neck broken.

  7. DtP

    I don’t think adding guns to that situation would have helped as, most likely, the ex-military guy would have been able to disarm the officer and then use the gun / have hostage at gun point… I’m sure he would have had more firearms training that any general police officer…

  8. What Interested said

    If he was experienced as claimed – I very much doubt that even several average burly blokes would’ve been able to restrain him.

    Did they have Tasers?

    I have an acquaintance who’s a martial arts practitioner (and teacher/instructor)- she does some security work. Over the time I’ve known her few have laid a finger on her and the few that have regretted it near instantly.

    I’d wager that the two ladies involved here (they could have been blokes) have *never* actually had any practical martial arts / unarmed combat training – if they had – they might have clocked the nutter earlier ….

  9. I don’t think adding guns to that situation would have helped as, most likely, the ex-military guy would have been able to disarm the officer and then use the gun / have hostage at gun point… I’m sure he would have had more firearms training that any general police officer…

    “Most likely”? Really?

    If she were receive the correct training and the police force were to have to correct procedures in place, the chances of someone being able to successfully disarm her would be remote, irrespective of the level of training the perpetrator possessed.

    Then again, now that I think about it, the idea of an average British police department being able to develop and institute appropriate policies and procedures is remote. Very remote.

    Probably best to keep everyone unarmed and let your cops do what they do best… You know, stuff like monitor citizens’ Twitter accounts for offensive speech and whatnot.

    Wogs.

  10. Don’t PC’s carry sticks or pepperspray or something?

    Because I think a woman could beat the dude over the head until he stopped choking her partner just fine. And if she wasn’t armed you’d have to wonder why she didn’t grab a glass or bottle or chair or something.

    And I don’t know, maybe your cops are different, but most of our male cops are fatbodies from spending 10+ hours a day sitting in a patrol car drinking coffee.

  11. “And if she’d been equipped with a service pistol and some training, chances are she would have been capable of responding appropriately.”

    Dude would have never attacked in the first place.

  12. I love the irony of a female cop having to depend on a female cop for protection.

    I bet the failure of a female cop to protect happens all the time; we’re just not allowed to hear about it.

  13. “Palmer . . . served four years with the US Army.”

    He wasn’t in ‘Special Forces’ (the US Army has at least 3 different spec-ops units) then – or for so short a time, so long ago, that any ‘special training’ he’d have gotten would be mostly forgotten.

    Christ Telegraph, just because someone *says* they were in Special Forces doesn’t mean they were. Especially an American with only 4 years of service. A enlisted guy has only 4 years is 85% likely a guy who wasn’t allowed to re-enlist. These are the guys who lie about their service because ‘I was a junior 42L and I spent the day sweeping’ doesn’t make people think you’re ‘cool’.

  14. Dude would have never attacked in the first place.

    Bingo! Now yer thinkin’ like a ‘Merican!

  15. @BiC

    @Agammamon

    +1

    Attack sounds like drunk roid rage.

    PTSD + anti-depressant often = volatile

    Oh, TV – BBC Bodygaurd: Budd attacked HomeSec same way

  16. @dennis – you are right. the level of competence displayed by our local constabulary means they’d be just as likely to shoot themselves, each other or the general public rather than any miscreant. Around here the only time you see them in any numbers is at the scene of road accidents which draw them like flies round shit. They seem to like standing around staring at passing motorists – this is of course when they are not in the local tescos stocking up on donuts.

  17. “Dude would have never attacked in the first place.”

    Depends on the dude, really. Here’s (graphic) US footage of an agitated, unstable man on a bus panicking, advancing and grabbing the gun of a lazy, incompetent, aggressive policewoman. She is subsequently saved by her male colleague, who horribly but (as far as I can see) correctly shoots the man.

  18. Governments are established amongst Men for mutual protection. NOT the protection and care of agitated, unstable man.

    ‘The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.’ – Robert Peel

    This is what the 2nd Amendment is about. No need for a policeman to pull a gun and shoot an agitated, unstable man. Citizens will do it – no charge. The police unions, with the help of Democrats, don’t want citizens getting in on their territory. Better you die than a cop be laid off.

  19. Hasn’t there been a significant increase in incidents involving tasers etc that involve female police officers, seem to recall reading something about it a few years back.
    They are much quicker to resort to assistance, agree with the comment on martial arts/unarmed combat training as a minimum requirement

  20. “NOT the protection and care of agitated, unstable man.”

    Being agitated and unstable should not render a citizen beyond the benefits of mutual protection, unless their actions endanger others.

    Two agitated and unstable Americans interact with police forces using different tools. Here in wogland where the officers’ first recourse is to use reason, the American (immediately endangering someone) eventually capitulates and survives. In the land of the free, where the officer’s first recourse was to pull out a gun and start shouting, the American (not immediately endangering anyone) panics and is killed.

  21. ‘In the land of the free, where the officer’s first recourse was to pull out a gun and start shouting, the American (not immediately endangering anyone) panics and is killed.’

    Fantasy.

  22. “Fantasy”

    Thank you for summarising your argument.

    If anyone wants reality, they can watch the video in the link.

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