Hmm, well, yes

Ministers have thrown their support behind a campaign to put World War II hero Noor Inayat Khan on the new £50 note.

After the Bank of England announced there would be an open submissions process for the new note, which will be reissued in plastic in 2020, ministers and historians said it was the perfect opportunity to raise awareness about the brave Muslim spy.

There were other women who went through the same process. Not hugely sure that this particular one is more deserving. Being the unkind person I am though….

Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani…Foreign Office Minister of State Lord Ahmad….The campaign has begun to pick up momentum after being spearheaded by activist Zehra Zaidi, Tom Tugendhat MP and Baroness Warsi,

Hmm.

42 comments on “Hmm, well, yes

  1. …spearheaded by activist Zehra Zaidi, Tom Tugendhat MP and Baroness Warsi,

    Hmmm. A collection of foreigners want another foreigner on British notes.

  2. My pet peeve: trawling through history to find the first [INSERT GROUP HERE]. What’s the antidote to this? (Ecks – no that’s not an antidote) .

  3. She was not even very British, was she. Born in Russia, spent most of her life living in France. Father Indian, mother American.

    They might as well put Karl Marx on the banknote

  4. “Nusrat Ghani said it is important to have a woman on the note”

    Last time I checked, there was one already.

  5. “It’s also interesting and important to note her faith, which drove her to make this ultimate sacrifice and serve her country.”

    Is there any evidence that it was her faith that drove her rather than, say, a hatred of what was being done to her country? The war itself had nothing to do with religion so why would her faith have driven her and not 1000s of other Muslims?

  6. Wouldn’t it cause offence in certain quarters to show a non-veiled muslim woman? Or print the likeness of any muslim on products that contain billionth traces of non-halal animal products?

  7. Has anyone been and read her Wikipedia page? Like, go read it. It’s rather baggy, but the short version is: mediocre in training, flew to France, got captured, had written down things she shouldn’t have done, so the Germans imitated her for a while. Probably executed.

    There’s something to be said for anyone who signs up, but you could say this about anyone in the SOE. We should perhaps put one of those on who wasn’t a clusterfark and did their job.

    The thing with identity is that it’s about recognition regardless of where someone comes from, not digging around for someone who ticks boxes. If you want a woman on a bank note, put Agatha Christie on there. No prizes for women’s fiction – she competed with the men and outclassed and outsold all of them.

  8. “…becoming the first female radio operator sent into Nazi-occupied France in 1943, aged just 29.”

    Aged ‘just’ 29?

    Not that it matters and not that it’s a competition but 29 isn’t an age I’d use ‘just’ alongside when talking about the war. Major Tony Brooks was 20 when he joined SOE and was parachuted into France in July 1942. He’d already helped escaping British servicemen, fled Vichy France and been arrested in Spain before he joined SOE.

    I’d be amazed if there weren’t teenagers in the French resistance.

  9. BiND,

    they really don’t want to go there, considering how pally the Arab countries were with Hitler.

  10. @BoM4

    It’s a bit like the pedestrian bridge in Bristol’s city centre harbour. It’s called Pero’s bridge. Pero was a slave. OK, I thought when I found out, fair enough. Pero probably led a rebellion or became a freedman and campaigned or wrote plays or, well, did something.

    But no.

    “The bridge is named after Pero, also known as Pero Jones, who lived from around 1753 to 1798, arriving in Bristol probably from the Caribbean Island of Nevis in 1783, as the slave of the merchant John Pinney (1740–1818) at 5 Great George Street.”

    That’s it. A bridge named after someone whose ONLY claim to fame is that he was a slave.

    Ok, might have been a great bloke. Might have had a library of funny jokes to keep the kids amused. Might have been able to make coloured smoke come out of his ears. Or, he might have been a fat smelly git who played with himself in public and drank himself to death.

    FFS. Surely if they had to pick a slave they could have found one who did something?

  11. It’s rather baggy, but the short version is: mediocre in training, flew to France, got captured

    I dunno that sending a brown woman – however brave – into a 99.9999% white country that was also occupied by the Nazis was a great idea in the first place. Aren’t spies supposed to blend in?

    Wikipedo says she was grassed on, but even if she hadn’t been, you’d think the Krauts would’ve taken notice of her sooner rather than later – unless she was cunningly disguised with a beret and a string of onions.

    Tbf I’m also a sexist who believes it’s morally wrong to put women in danger anyway. Isn’t the whole point of (just) war to defend the women and children? That’s why war, like spider killing or going to B&Q, is a man’s job.

    God rest her soul, she sounds like a sweetheart who should never have been roped into that horror show.

  12. According to the reading I did about her SOE had doubts about her fitness to be an agent–which they ignored. By all means she was courageous but so where ALL who went to France then.

    Let us celebrate say– Pearl Witherington who was an SOE agent who was never captured and who became a military leader in the Maquis with a huge price on her head and 2000 German troops sent to destroy her small Maquis group. In which effort they failed.

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Witherington

    The only reason Khan is being considered is because–as they daily demonstrate–the political class are Cultural Marxist controlled scum.

  13. Andrew C,
    Famously a young teenage Audrey Hepburn ran messages for the Dutch Resistance and also raised money for them in secret ballet performances. Either activity would almost certainly have caused her to be executed if she had been caught.

  14. That’s it. A bridge named after someone whose ONLY claim to fame is that he was a slave.

    The banality of diversity.

  15. Andrew C

    The purpose (As with the Attempt to put this woman on the £50 note) is manifest:

    – There have always been ‘ethnic minorities’ in the UK in large numbers
    – It is normal to have your country colonised by people from other countries
    – Minority culture is superior to that of the existing population and they must adapt to service it
    – Resistance is futile
    – Anyone who opposes this is a racist by definition

  16. God rest her soul, she sounds like a sweetheart who should never have been roped into that horror show.

    Spot on as always.

    I have mixed views on this. To a certain extent it doesn’t matter who is on the £50 note as to all intents and purposes it is unusable.

    A bit of me would love to see a bare-headed Muslim woman on the note, if only to annoy the tax-dodging mincab and curry house owners stashing them under the bed.

    But this is just pointless tokenism from a bunch of cunts determined to lie about what Britain’s Muslim population is. If they wanted to put a true representation of that ‘communiy’ on the note, it would be a tax-dodging, benefit-thieving, cab-driving, wife-beating nonce married to his cousin and voting Labour 10 times for each of his dead aunties on election day.

  17. Steve, she had already spent 20 years of her life in France. To all intents and purposes she was French. The place where she was a foreigner was the UK. With her background, she might even have spoken English with an American accent

  18. “Tbf I’m also a sexist who believes it’s morally wrong to put women in danger anyway. Isn’t the whole point of (just) war to defend the women and children? That’s why war, like spider killing or going to B&Q, is a man’s job.”

    In general, yes. But young pretty women can do things men can’t. There were a couple of teenage Dutch girls who would flirt with collaborators in bars,suggest a walk in the woods and then someone shot them in the woods. Because men think with their dicks and don’t think a 14 year old is going to be a danger.

  19. But this is just pointless tokenism from a bunch of cunts

    Yarp.

    Steve, she had already spent 20 years of her life in France. To all intents and purposes she was French.

    Sure. My point is, she would’ve stood out. I’m led to believe successful spies tend to be bland-looking, not interesting, memorable, and particularly likely to attract the attention of the race-obsessed Nazi authorities.

    But young pretty women can do things men can’t.

    Of course. I’d be happier with pretty young things doing normal woman stuff like having babies and making cakes than running the risk of being tortured and hanged by the Gestapo or whatever.

    Did murdering a few collaborators change the outcome of the war? It was probably a lot of trouble for nothing.

  20. Re Pero

    Moreover he’d have ceased to be a slave when he reached England. It was impossible after 1772 to be a slave in England and anyway it was considered pretty non-U to have owned one whilst on home soil. Slavery was something that happened “elsewhere”.

    50 Quid notes
    I have no problem with the young lady being put forward per se, but if a woman is required there are better candidates in this field eg Edith Cavell or the lady that Virginia McKenna played in that film.

  21. I’ve always thought that Beatrice Schilling should be on a bank note.

    Prewar motorbike racer, during the war she created a simple washer that stopped fuel in fight aircraft engines from flowing out of carburettors during dog fights, post war she worked in road safety.

    Surely everyone from feminists to the most unreconstructed gammon should be able to support her.

  22. “Did murdering a few collaborators change the outcome of the war? It was probably a lot of trouble for nothing.”

    I doubt it changed the outcome in terms of the Germans losing. Barbarossa lost them the war. But do you shorten it, save some lives.

    Covert activity and espionage can have large effects. A woman can get explosives through guard posts easier than a man, a mistress can report on an officer’s behaviour which may tell the other side about activities.

  23. “change the outcome of the war?”- yes only generals and admirals can muck it up in an afternoon. Hence they tend to be on the currency when they don’t.

  24. “But young pretty women can do things men can’t. There were a couple of teenage Dutch girls who would flirt with collaborators in bars,suggest a walk in the woods and then someone shot them in the woods. Because men think with their dicks and don’t think a 14 year old is going to be a danger.”

    Not sure about 14 yos but PIRA used this tactic, and they had some success with it. Bloke from 3 Para was killed in this way in about 1989/90 albeit in a house not the woods.

    As for this particular bird there are a thousand better examples to choose from but they wouldn’t ‘rub the noses of the right – or just the average British person – in diversity’, would they?

  25. There was rather cute logo that used to be on Robertson’s Jam bottles a while back.

    That could work?

  26. The shape of things to come.

    98% of white politicians choose to take the view that their white compatriots are foolish racist scum and that brown people are special and must be obeyed.

    Labour stupidly believe that they reinforce their “nicey” credentials by stuffing the party with violently racist brown people. The cretinous leadership naturally assume that the white males will continue to reign supreme. At least the Tories have admitted defeat and are going full steam ahead to have a brown leader.

    Perhaps this may explain the passion for most of Westminster for staying in the EU. The racist EU commissioners may offer them salvation when their domestic careers dry up. Rather like May’s efforts to appease the communists the current fashion for white politicians to appease the brown people will avail them not at all.

  27. If we are going to have a spy on the £50 note, put George Smiley (played by Alec Guinness, I hasten to add) on it.

    Failing that, Timmy Mallett.

  28. +1 for Violette Szabo GC if they want a woman with a war record. My preference is Maggie, not only is she deserving but it will really wind up lefties.

  29. – “It’s also interesting and important to note her faith, which drove her to make this ultimate sacrifice and serve her country.”

    It’s also interesting and important to note that this is the same faith which drove many thousands of Muslims to join the SS in the Balkans.

  30. @Steve “I’m led to believe successful spies tend to be bland-looking, not interesting…”

    Nonsense.

    Look at James Bond.

    And Derek Flint

    And to a lesser extent Johnny English.

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