Does England actually have any Roma?

A little it here:

A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England
Roma and British Pakistani communities are increasingly divided over problems of crime, litter and antisocial behaviour

Hmm:

Eighty miles away in Liverpool, Gill Furniss made plans to leave the Labour party conference, missing Jeremy Corbyn’s speech. As the local MP, she could see that the fight had the potential to reignite long-running tensions in Page Hall – especially if, as chatter at the school gate suggested, the fight had begun when a Roma girl pulled off the headscarf of a Muslim classmate.

Roma. Now, I’ve worked in Czech where there are a lot or Roma. Here in Portugal there’re quite a few – had a little horse fair at the end of the road a few weeks back. Here there’re still those living out of the back of a cart etc.

The thing is, does England actually have Roma?

Travellers, sure, the Irish kind of which have been shown to be a little different from the average Irish population but not much. But actual Roma? North Indian genetic stock and all that? Migration across Europe in the past couple of thousands years? Entirely different language group etc?

I don’t know which is why I ask youse guys.

40 comments on “Does England actually have any Roma?

  1. “Travellers, sure, the Irish kind of which have been shown to be a little different from the average Irish population but not much.”

    Have they? Last I heard they were genetically indistinguishable from regular Irish.

  2. @BoM4, that’s hate speech here in Ireland. One of our presidential candidates recently upset the powers that be, (and won 25% of the vote) for making less than flattering comments about travellers. Since then we have been constantly reminded that because they have been determined to be a seperate ethnic group, any such comments are racist and verboten.

  3. Roma begging gangs in London, sure.

    As for actual travellers, I agree it’s a bit confusing. Very few, if any, look like the Roma you see across Europe (especially Eastern Europe). But there are groups who use Roma dialect/slang. Although they look much like Irish travellers.

    I’ve seen old photos with more Roma-looking types. I don’t know if it’s becuase they aren’t working in the fields so much these days, so just have less of a tan, or breeding-in with Irish travellers or locals.

  4. “Does England actually have any Roma?”
    Try coming to London.
    I’ve a friend, Jewish woman, always been the most “woke” person you could possibly meet. Ex Young Communist, ex Labour councillor, long term primary school teacher. Was banging on about the white colonialist patriarchy long before anyone else knew it existed. Virulent, pathological, anti-racist. She could find racism on a billiard ball.
    Until she encountered the Roma aggressive beggar women on the Tube. Thrusting babies in her face whilst trying to separate her from her handbag. On that particular subject she now comes over like an Einsatzgruppen Oberscharfuhrer.

  5. “A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England
    Roma and British Pakistani communities are increasingly divided over problems of crime, litter and antisocial behaviour”

    Where does this stand in victim-hood poker?

    Tangential, I see that there are calls for Asia Bibito be given asylum here. Whilst I don’t have a problem with that per se, it does seem a bit daft given the obvious links between the Pakistani culture that’s put her in danger at home and the Pakistani culture in some our northern cities.

    And while we’re discussing Labour’s approach to the victim-hood ladder of points, I see one of their branches refused to pass a motion condemning the Pittsburgh murders because it referred to anti-antisemitism.

    That’s some sack of ferrets they’re making.

  6. Given the attitude to Roma across Europe, and what they are actually like, you can guarantee our establishment welcomed them with open arms.

    “Roma and Pakistani communities” – double vibrancy.

    Remember the days when it was ‘the community’?

  7. What we have is assorted trouble makers on wheels. Their varied origins are of far less interest than the topic of how to curb their criminal and violent antics.

    They don’t get along with anyone. Such a shame they especially don’t get along with our dear imported friends. How terrible should it all kick off.

    Just terrible.

  8. Pakistanis vs Roma.

    A bit like the Eastern Front in WW2 where you want both sides to lose.

    @Steve:

    “Alien versus Predator.”

    LoL.

    .

  9. I can think of only one occasion in the last 20 years when I have seen a traditional horse-drawn Gypsy caravan parked up on a bit of grass at the edge of a village…

  10. “I can think of only one occasion in the last 20 years when I have seen a traditional horse-drawn Gypsy caravan parked up on a bit of grass at the edge of a village…”

    They’re quite common round these parts. Though they’re not gypsies really, they’re new age types instead, who want to drop out of the rat race. Real pikeys drive around in flash 4x4s, and need to be able to make a sharp getaway from the scene of their latest crime, a horse and cart is a bit too slow.

  11. bloke in spain,

    “I’ve a friend, Jewish woman, always been the most “woke” person you could possibly meet. Ex Young Communist, ex Labour councillor, long term primary school teacher. Was banging on about the white colonialist patriarchy long before anyone else knew it existed. Virulent, pathological, anti-racist. She could find racism on a billiard ball.

    Until she encountered the Roma aggressive beggar women on the Tube. Thrusting babies in her face whilst trying to separate her from her handbag. On that particular subject she now comes over like an Einsatzgruppen Oberscharfuhrer.”

    I have right-on Guardian reading neighbours and I remember there was talk of getting a posse together just to guard the entrance to the nearby field and they were up for it.

    Racism against gypsies is just the race industry gone mad. I remember racism in the 80s, and lots of pub conversations that had someone interjecting with “my plumber is a black guy, he’s honest, works hard, does a good job and you know nothing, you fucking racist” or pointing out that someone liked Frank Bruno or Michael Jackson with a response of “yeah, that’s different”.

    I’ve never, ever hear that defence of gypsies. “Sorry mate, but you’re wrong. They turned up at our local field. They were polite, no trouble and took all their rubbish when they left”.

  12. They came flooding in with the 2004 EU enlargement. London, most visibly (aggressive begging); but also pockets in Glasgow (Govanhill), and pretty much any northern town with cheap housing where their benefits stretch further.

  13. “Travellers, sure, the Irish kind of which have been shown to be a little different from the average Irish population but not much.”

    Have they? Last I heard they were genetically indistinguishable from regular Irish.

    I think the difference is due to inbreeding.

  14. “‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England”

    Stand down, everyone, its not ticking.

  15. Dunno how many they have now, but they sure used to be around. The English mother of one of my best friends was taught as a girl to read tea leaves by a Gypsy (excuse me, Roma) woman, as a favor for letting them reside for a while in their caravan in their yard. This was pre-WWII, and I don’t know where in England it was. The odd thing to me about the story was that the family were serious Plymouth Brethren. Somehow, I can’t square that with the taking up of tea-leaf reading, but maybe that’s my ignorance.

  16. The Roma in Sheffield are bused in from Slovakia. The streets of Page Hall, Sheffield, are strewn with rubbish so the estate resembles a gypsy site. It’s not surprising that the original residents, both English and Pakistani, resent the behaviour of the Roma who have no respect for law and order but are a law unto themselves. House prices in Page Hall have collapsed. I live in Sheffield but nowhere near Page Hall, thank God.

  17. Irish Tinkers huh?

    I recall the days (not that long ago) when the hand lettered white on black booze licensee sign over a bar door had a above or below it – a second sign:

    “NO Tinkers”

    Some clever clogs in Irish gubbermint then proceeded to export their problem to mainland Britain with the aid of €5000 cash each person plus ferry tickets and as much diesel as they could carry.

  18. “I don’t know which is why I ask youse guys.”

    I doubt it. But I also think that the use of ‘Roma’ here is because the writer thinks ‘Gypsy’ is derogatory and racists – And Irish Travellers get called Gypsies and people don’t like them so you can’t call them Travellers because that’s racist too.

    So you slap on a similar but completely different appellation used by another ethnicity to show that you’re not racist – even though doing that in another context would explicitly (like the woman screaming racist because of that Sainsbury thing) racist.

  19. Pcar–8 fuckwits is hardly much of a kick-off.

    The DM under that remainiac shite Greig has really turned into pre-used toilet paper.

    Esp hilarious is assorted leftists taking a high moral tone about lynchings in the USA. As I never tire of saying the leftscum endorse and suck the dick of a death cult with 150,000,000 murders on its conscience. If that ocean of blood does not bother the sanctimonious marx-sewage–and it doesn’t–why should the KKKKlowns worry about a tiny number of killings done by their adopted crew.

  20. I thought things had gone a bit quiet on the kid pulling a headscarf off front.
    If the puller isn’t the sort of whitish the media can give a good kicking with impunity then that makes sense.

  21. The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned.

    Remember when the Guardian (and everyone else) lied that Immigration from SE Europe would be only 13,000 a year? Now we have a minimum of 200,000 Roma alone.

    Why are they here? Why do we need them?

  22. @ Rob
    Why are they here? Because Tony Blair said they could come and they are escaping from racial prejudice in the countries where they previously lived.
    “Why do we need them?” We don’t.

  23. “Esp hilarious is assorted leftists taking a high moral tone about lynchings in the USA.”

    They leave out the part that virtually all were committed by Democrats.

    It was only 50 years ago that Democrats figured out they could use the blacks to achieve the Dem’s political goals. Up til then, and probably now, the Democrats were the most racist Americans.

  24. @Mr Ecks, November 4, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    Pcar–8 fuckwits is hardly much of a kick-off.

    It only made it into DM due to KKK angle. Most goes unreported because it’s NI and because fewer SJW cry-babies.

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