50 comments on “We did

  1. Something of the “I designed the vehicle and I’m telling you where you can go in it” about this.

    Beyond that …. it’s The Guardian – gratuitous link to recent antics not in keeping with their haloed lefty status

  2. He might explain how a country leaves in 2 years. He inserted that period so must have some idea how it is to be done.

  3. “I drafted article 50 and the EU has been a giant gravy train for me for decades. We can and must delay Brexit for a referendum so we can get in the fix so I can keep my snout in the trough.”

  4. Mr Ecks +1

    – and the permanent black marker pens….

    OT
    I see that the UK state broadcaster after dutifully ignoring the yellow jackets – now covers the approaching weekend’s frolics in France leaving an explanation of who the protesters are to the final paragraph in the report that’s presently linked from the news landing page – imho a lame bid to deploy some TL:DR on the short of attention span – literally the last words “moderates in between”. Incisive analysis from Broadcasting House.

    They had some woman on R4 claiming to be Macron’s biographer last week iirc “They are nobodies, of no political account” – with the clear inference (in my mind anyway) that they will be crushed like insects… plus ça change eh?

  5. Mr Ecks –

    Brexiters and the Yellow Jackets are fighting different tentacles of the same vampire squid.

    It’s globalists vs normal people, the only show in town. The fiction of different establishment political parties offering a democratic choice isn’t playing anymore.

    Allez Les Jaunes!

  6. They had some woman on R4 claiming to be Macron’s biographer last week iirc “They are nobodies, of no political account” – with the clear inference (in my mind anyway) that they will be crushed like insects… plus ça change eh?

    They ARE nobodies because they are just ordinary people (Parisian masked thugs excepted) who pay massive amounts of taxes to maintain the political elite in the style to which they have become accustomed.

    Time for another outing of Madame Guillotine I suspect.

    Down with the political Aristos!

  7. Quite, John Galt, and Mr Kerr is a fine candidate for transportation in a tumbril to the guillotine while Madame Defarge knits.

  8. Re: the French nobodies.

    Somebody on Twitter observed that, unlike other recent protests (the Arab Spring, Antifa and the caravan of illegals in the US, various leftwing and anti-Brexit larps in the UK), the media has made zero effort to humanise the yellow jackets.

    They’re portrayed as a faceless, feral mob, which shows you shit just got real, and this isn’t a Soros-funded shadow play or whatever.

  9. OT, but it’s goodbye to UKIP. It produced one politician of genius – Farage – but otherwise it was a fractious rabble, choosing a succession of eccentrics and mediocrities as leader…Nuttall, Bolton, Batten…

  10. Theo – Not that I disagree (from what little I know of UKIP), but the second most important question in politics is compared to what?

    If UKIP are a fractious rabble, the Conservatives are kamikaze pilots, who’ve taken a once-in-a-generation opportunity to finally end the European argument and cement centre-right dominance of British politics and applied a sort of Midas touch to it – if everything King Midas held turned to poo.

    Theresa May. Nuff said.

  11. Farage was premature in giving up the leadership of UKIP (although I understand that his health was a priority), he should have continued until the BRExit process was complete.

    If the Tories give us BRExit in name only as they seem keen to do then Ecksian solutions involving piano wire and lamp posts will be the only remaining option.

  12. Theo: the message is, as ever, it’s really hard to start a new party that can gain credibility. Even with Labour grandees on board the SDP eventually had to join with the Libs. Most of the politicians & wannabes that could credibly form a new party are already engaged with the existing lot. So a new party probably has to take a significant fraction of an existing one in a split to have any chance of surviving long term.

  13. Steve

    “…the second most important question in politics is compared to what? If UKIP are a fractious rabble, the Conservatives are kamikaze pilots…”.

    Hardly. UKIP has destroyed itself already. The Conservatives have damaged themselves but not destroyed their party (yet).

    TG

    Quite so. Also single issue campaigns turned into political parties find it difficult to cohere.

  14. Not unrelated…in this week’s Spectator, Andrew Gilligan writes:

    Last week, the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on British Muslims published a ‘landmark report’ demanding a ‘legally binding definition of Islamophobia’. It was launched by the group’s co-chairs, the Tory MP Anna Soubry and Labour’s Wes Streeting, and the former Tory minister Baroness Warsi. Dominic Grieve, the ex-attorney-general, wrote the foreword. Lord Bourne, the communities minister, spoke.

    Interesting that those two anti-brexit weasels, Soubry and Grieve, are engaged in appeasing Muslims…

  15. Interesting that those two anti-brexit weasels, Soubry and Grieve, are engaged in appeasing Muslims

    Why should it be at all surprising that traitors in one matter are traitors in another as well?

  16. If the witch May loses the vote and is staring (proper) Brexit in the ‘nads, she’ll say the situation has changed sufficiently for a second vote. What then? Abstain on the basis that there’s no point, or participate in the hope they get it good and proper, Michael Barry more pool party style.

    Bumped into some’ people’s vote’ cretins outside the RCJ today. Felt feral and mutinous.

  17. You are a fantasist Theo. Unless your shower of shite vote to flush down May’s turd next Tuesday and then continue to pull their nuts out of the fire by allowing NO anti-Brexit capers and go WTO –or Canada if some miracle happens–in March 2019 they are dead men walking.

    Esp the four-eyed cunt who asked McNasty to have ZaNu to change their vote to lick May out so that he–the four-eyed cunt–could have some peace. Should that be the same peace that those who died for this nation now have in the Cemetery after their agony was done? You fucking dare to put up shite like that and say your fucking Party isn’t finished?

    If they support the cunt or try any shennanigins even after booting the Fish Faced Cow’s flop away, then UKIP will be seen to be fortunate indeed. Farage did good work and is a talker. He fucked off too quick–and like you is full of the influence of the “anti-racist” branch of CM. Yaxleysnobs in other words.

    Batten is right. Good as Brexit is –unless the inflow of invaders and their subsidised breeding is stopped we are lost. No one else in UK politics has the balls to even talk about it. You haven’t come across as a man too stupid to see that or too dumb to do the maths Theo–but what else can it be?

  18. “The Conservatives have damaged themselves but not destroyed their party (yet).”

    Meanwhile totally fucking the country they were elected to govern.
    Sod Labour. They’re irrelevant. The true enemy of the British people is the Tory Party. Lynching’s too good for them.

  19. Let me expand on that.
    Now New Labour’s been pushed to the sidelines, Corbyn’s party do actually have the interests of the British people at heart. They may have a disastrous political ideology & are generally a bunch of hopeless idiots but they do genuinely believe they can offer the British people a better alternative.
    The Tory Party are interested in nothing but themselves & their class. It’s purely about power & what can be gained by power for them & their mates. They don’t give a fuck about the country or anyone else.

  20. Theo – The Conservatives have damaged themselves but not destroyed their party (yet).

    Ah, it’s not dead, it’s just resting (while Jeremy Corbyn picks out new wallpaper for when he moves into No. 10)…

    Interesting that those two anti-brexit weasels, Soubry and Grieve, are engaged in appeasing Muslims…

    What party are they members of?

  21. Corbyn’s party do actually have the interests of the British people at heart

    I reckon Jez does (hence Project Fear 2.5 about him being Hitler), unfortunately he’s weak and thick and has terrible ideas. The likes of Keir Starmer need to be flushed with the rest of the globalists – the Blairites aren’t completely gone yet.

    Still, I’m going to laugh my arse off when Labour win the next election and set about systematically dry-fucking the Tories and their donors. I don’t even care about the economy anymore – what does the FTSE 100 matter when we don’t have democracy, sovereignty, free speech, or borders? GDP doesn’t make any difference to non-millionaires when your country looks like a low-rent souk/rape dungeon.

    Burn it all down, Talking Heads style.

  22. I’ve always said I hoped May would do to the Tories what they’ve got used to doing to us.

    I agree with Steve and Mr in Spain. Burn it down.

    Theo, Ironman, the rest of the better-the-devil-you-know crowd, where are you? What have you got for us?

    We did tell you. Repeatedly.

  23. The Tories are bed-blockers, full stop. Against property, small government, low taxes, enforced borders… Basically anything that what Steve calls ‘normal people’ want.

  24. Fetch the Yellow Jackets.

    Get to it, lads! Get to it!

    I know I’d think better of you wogs if you did. I’m certainly more impressed with the French than I was a month ago.

  25. Be careful, Dennis, of absorbing too much of your impressions of the French from the Brits. They have a false sense of superiority. The French people have a long history of tenacity & courage. It was, after all, Napoleon’s armies conquered most of Europe. When the Brits were running away at Dunkerque, it was the French soldiers holding the perimeter, enabled them to get off the beaches. And it was the French Resistance made the Occupation so costly to the Germans. There’s a village not far from Bordeaux left unchanged as a memorial to the cost to the French. The entirety of its inhabitants were murdered in reprisals. But they were never deterred.
    What the French have suffered is some appalling leadership.Now the Brits are going through the same experience. Teresa May’s attempt to recreate Vichy. Whether the Brits have the guts to form their own Resistance, I severely doubt. I see little sign of it. The nation’s been marching backwards under the white flag for a long time. The referendum result may just turn out to have been a hopeless rearguard action before the final collapse.

  26. But they were never deterred

    I do agree that much of the disdain for French martial qualities is false; and in any case, we as a generation (in Britain or America) have done nothing to justify our looking down on them.

    But…

    Most French people – a vast, overwhelming majority – were deterred. “Collaboration” can cover a very wide range of behaviour: but however you choose to measure it, it was widespread both under Vichy and in occupied France.

  27. “When the Brits were running away at Dunkerque, it was the French soldiers holding the perimeter, enabled them to get off the beaches”

    Churchill ordered a load of Brits to stay behind so that some French soldiers could also be evacuated. I’ll try and look up the numbers later.

    And a lot of Brits lost their lives helping the resistance.

  28. BiS–A bullshit posting. They “covered” our retreat? If they hadn’t fucking collapsed we wouldn’t have needed to fucking retreat in the first place. How big a shower do you have to be to build a mighty defence like the Maiginot Line–and then be stupid enough to leave it unfinished?

    I agree they have great courage when the blood is up–but it can drain just as quick. A steady state like Verdun is the exception not the rule with them. And the country is rotten with far more leftists than the UK . Millions of scumbags in the Communist Party –whereas even Jizza and ZaNu have to try to disguise that over here. Which C-Party Uncle Joe ordered to demoralise France and esp the French Army when he and Adolf were best buddies. One of the reasons for their collapse in 1940.

    You are kidding yourself chum.

    Ps–Where is Theo? Why does he not appear to counter all the charges above against his beloved BluLabour Party. Theo nearly always vanishes these days once the charge-sheet is read out.

  29. Mr Ecks. Sometimes you do talk a load of bollocks. I’ve stood on one of the bridges over the Lys. The WW1 war memorial on the coastward end is riddled with bullet holes on the inland side where the French held the bridge for half a day. The French took a lot of casualties to enable the British Army to get off the beaches. The French army fought well at Sedan. When it got an opportunity to fight. That their generals were lousy was not the fault of the French soldier in the front line. Brits had the same problem at Singapore. Geniuses had all the defences facing in the wrong direction because they wildly underestimated the capabilities of the Japanese army. It’s officers not having gone to the right schools & Sandhurst & its troops being slant-eyed little buggers without the will to fight..
    Collaboration is still a sore subject in France, even today. The grandmother of my French family was in the Resistance as a teenager. There’s still parts of village don’t talk to other parts over what happened then. Since the UK was never occupied, we’ll never know how the Brits would have responded. I’d like to think they would have done as well as the French but I’ve never seen much evidence to encourage me.

  30. BiS–I didn’t say they had no courage –but your hymn of praise to them being so much better than us was and is bollocks. Fact is they collapsed in 1940 and we had no choice but to fuck off quick. That some of they did good work on the day I never denied but again some of them need not have died on that bridge covering our retreat if the rest of them hadn’t broken elsewhere.

    As for Sedan–they lost both the first and second battles there.

    The first illustrates my point.

    Prior to the Franco-Prussian war France was reckoned–wrongly– to have the best army in the world. Indeed both sides in the early battles of the American Civil War fielded regiment’s called Zouaves, dressed in clown-like stripped baggy pantaloon outfits in imitation of the French Algerians. So highly were the French military regarded.

    That ended in 1870. “Dash, Couraaage and at them with the bayonet” availed little against the Prussian machine.

    Too much emotion and not enough sense perhaps.

    I agree that sometimes the balance should fall in the other direction.

    But only sometimes.

  31. I don’t see a brit,US,antipodean direct equivalent to this. (thought there may be a copycat or two) I see French political culture as completely different. When people are really miffed they can riot, but in other systems there are warning signs and pressure release valves that kick in. In the french system rioting IS the early warning sign for a revolution/coup. Perhaps the Macron phenomenon was a warning sign but it certainly wasn’t the pressure release valve. It was really just about a fiercely ambitious establishment insider not wishing to join the queue to be leader of the establishment, so he made his own queue and put himself at the front.

  32. But Article 50 is a provision in the Treaty of Lisbon.

    ‘Brexit’ is an Act of Parliament and Article 50 has nothing to do with it.

    Article 50 is the means a State gives notice it is leaving and is a fixed period, maximum 24 months, during which it can make new arrangements with the EU. It does not grant permission and it is not obligatory to make any arrangements.

    To extend the 24 months would need an amendment to the Act of Parliament even if the EU agrees.

    Brexit is a matter of British law, nobody else’s.

    Have I missed something?

  33. “You are a fantasist Theo.”

    I’m a fantasist? Only recently you were urging us to join UKIP, despite me explaining to you that it was a self-destructive rabble. Who was right? Me or you?

    “Unless your shower of shite vote to flush down May’s turd next Tuesday and then continue to pull their nuts out of the fire by allowing NO anti-Brexit capers and go WTO –or Canada if some miracle happens–in March 2019 they are dead men walking.”

    Quite possibly.

    “You fucking dare to put up shite like that and say your fucking Party isn’t finished?”

    I despise him. But it’s not over until it’s over. And I expect the Conservative Party will outlive Labour…

    “Farage did good work and is a talker. He fucked off too quick–and like you is full of the influence of the “anti-racist” branch of CM. Yaxleysnobs in other words.”

    Farage is a politician of genius. And he can see that Yaxley-Lennon is toxic.

    “Batten is right. Good as Brexit is –unless the inflow of invaders and their subsidised breeding is stopped we are lost. No one else in UK politics has the balls to even talk about it. You haven’t come across as a man too stupid to see that or too dumb to do the maths Theo–but what else can it be?”

    I am completely opposed to Muslim immigration and (if politically possible) I’d send the whole 2.8m packing. #1492. Batten is right about Islam; but utterly stupid! Brexit hasn’t been won, so why take UKIP off in the anti-muslim direction at this stage, and destroy your party to boot? The man is a political moron!

    You and others can rant away about the Conservative Party, but it is the only political bulwark available to stall unconstrained socialism. So far, all attempts to create a right-of-centre alternative have failed. Accordingly, I conclude that what we need is a right-wing version of Momentum to articulate concerns about immigration, Islam, etc in and outside of the Conservative Party, so that Soubry and Grieve join the LDs. If the Conservatives cannot be replaced, then the party must be changed.

  34. What’s your alternative? What’s your plan? The Tories will improve only if there’s a move to the right among the electorate – which is why we need a right-wing Momentum…

  35. At the moment, Theo, since we have no revolutionary leaders, nor even any capable of shifting the Overton W so much as a millimetre, I’m leaning towards the idea that all 17.4m Brexit voters should simply abstain from the next election vote.

  36. “I’m a fantasist? Only recently you were urging us to join UKIP, despite me explaining to you that it was a self-destructive rabble. Who was right? Me or you?”

    I was.

    A small group of middle-class wonders are peeing their pants that the scum of the left might use the “racist” cockrot–which they have and will continue to anyway–and have done UKIP a small amount of damage by resigning from jobs they will shortly be losing in any case. Their EU pension would be confiscated as well if I was PM–ALL UK EU pension recipients would have a choice of renouncing their pension or being stripped of their UK citizenship and deported to Brussels.

    Has the membership deserted? No –it continues to grow. People are waking up to the lefts alliance with their new friends.

    “And I expect the Conservative Party will outlive Labour…”

    In that ZaNu is in deep shit you might be right. But do NOT forget that Corbyn etc would have been seen off long ago by any group other than the shower of BluLabour marx-sucking shite you call a conservative party. Esp Treason May but the turds that pack her bowl are some of the worst scum ever seen in UK politics–not excluding ZaNu . Trash like Morecambe Morris abound between the Tory sheets.

    “Farage is a politician of genius. And he can see that Yaxley-Lennon is toxic.”

    He is persistent and determined–or was–and got under Tory skin just enough for Camoron to fool himself. That was luck or Providence. Without the circumstances Farage would still just be talking. He talks and argues well but he is a prime ego man who pissed off legions of folk who could have been in UKIP helping. He is well-off middle class and for fucking sure doesn’t have any contact with our dear imported friends beyond the odd well-off/millionaire type.

    TR is only toxic to those who sup on leftist shite. I have never yet heard ANY convincing proof that Robinson–endorsed by numerous black friends –even IS any sort of racist. I can attribute the disdain for him purely to snobbery and cowardice. The sort of cowardice that presumes that kissing the arse of leftist media is the only choice–or they will somehow wipe us out. If you are trying to appeal to middle class tossers already got at by marxian mental poison you are wasting your time Theo.

    “Batten is right about Islam; but utterly stupid! ”

    But he is right.

    “Brexit hasn’t been won, so why take UKIP off in the anti-muslim direction at this stage,”

    He saw that there is a lot of groundswell behind TR –and that the outrageous police state antics of the British HO MUST be countered NOW –not after they have established that foes of takeover can be treated in the manner of soviet dissidents. That has to be nipped in the bud NOW.

    ” and destroy your party to boot? The man is a political moron!”

    He hasn’t and he isn’t. Membership is growing and people are starting to get that Brexit is only the beginning. A lot of noise from media scum was always coming. We tough it out Trump-style.

    “You and others can rant away about the Conservative Party, but it is the only political bulwark available to stall unconstrained socialism.”

    Thank God for such bulwarks against unrestrained socialism as Heseltine, Clarke, May and Morecambe Morris–etc,etc ad naus etc.

    “So far, all attempts to create a right-of-centre alternative have failed. Accordingly, I conclude that what we need is a right-wing version of Momentum to articulate concerns about immigration, Islam, etc in and outside of the Conservative Party, so that Soubry and Grieve join the LDs. If the Conservatives cannot be replaced, then the party must be changed.”

    What would a right wing Momentum say Theo–that Batten is not already? Or is this the usual Tory tripe–“We’ll take the bastards on all right–just not yet. The time isn’t right”. It never fucking is or will be Theo for your bunch of numpties. How are you going to stand up to 1400 years worth of guile and takeover skills coupled with leftist evil (who themselves will be destroyed if their new besties win) if Tommy Robinson is too strong meat for you?

  37. “…and destroy your party to boot? The man is a political moron!”

    Not so sure about that. He’s finding a way for UKIP to be relevant beyond the one issue of Brexit. He could take a lot of “working class” support away from Labour. If there’s a preference cascade away from the establishment, he might have positioned UKIP to pick up a lot of wider support too.

    If the Tories can kick out May in time, elect a Brexit PM in time, achieve Brexit in time, then there is hope for them. Otherwise they are done.

  38. PJF

    He’s picking the low-hanging fruit in terms of new members – ie the thick-as-mince fans of Yaxley-Lennon’s YouTube rants. However, they and Yaxley-Lennon will put off other potential members, because he’s politically toxic (even though he’s right about a lot).

    Just when Brexit is in deep jeopardy is not the time to ally UKIP with Yaxley-Lennon or start a campaign against Islam. If there’s a second referendum, the remainiacs will use the connection to besmirch all leavers. Batten is a political idiot if he can’t grasp that.

    Batten is also in favour of rail re-nationalisation….At this rate, UKIP will become the BNP Mk.II.

  39. “What would a right wing Momentum say Theo–that Batten is not already?”

    My suggestion is three slogans:
    ● Full Brexit!
    ● Cut immigration!
    ● No multi-culturalism!

    ‘Or is this the usual Tory tripe–“We’ll take the bastards on all right–just not yet. The time isn’t right”.’

    No, see above. Membership of the organisation would be open to anyone, not just Tories.

    “It never fucking is or will be Theo for your bunch of numpties.”

    You never seem to grasp that my support of the Tories is purely instrumental and conditional. If there was a credible alternative, I’d jump ship tomorrow. But there isn’t. As it is, they are much better than Corbyn.

  40. Ecksy

    A remainiac posted this comment on The Times website today, 9/12/18:

    I see that Tommy Robinson, the facist hero of the right, was accorded pride of place as a guest of honour at the front of the London Brexit march today. Are all you ideological leavers out there comfortable with that? Just asking.

    Whilst I am musing on the link between Brexit, xenophobia and overt racism, how far do you think that Robinson (or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon or Andrew McMaster or Paul Harris or Wayne King – all the same person) and his odious EDL views are removed from Theresa May’s attitude to immigration? The link is not that preposterous. Robinson now has an official position with UKIP….

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