Dear God! What Horrors!

The Channel migrant ‘crisis’ is really a tale of British hypocrisy
Afua Hirsch

Sajid Javid’s rhetoric on refugees has less to do with reason than with appeasing anti-immigrant feeling

A politician listening to the desires of the voters. Where will this ever end?

42 comments on “Dear God! What Horrors!

  1. There’s a very good piece in the Specie by Sohrab Ahmari about why these Iranians are coming to Britain:

    As a reporter, I hit the migrant trail, following the new arrivals by foot, bus, train and ferry through the Greek islands and the Balkans. I heard many languages besides Arabic, among them Pashto, Urdu, Bengali and even French (spoken by a Congolese family I encountered at the Serbian–Hungarian border). But the language that really made my ears perk up was my own: Persian, including the Dari variant of Afghanistan as well as the urban dialect spoken by my own kin, the Tehrani middle class.

    I had an insight into this world when I joined a group of Afghan and Iranian migrants, all of them men, at a smuggler’s safe house in a working-class district of Istanbul. The cockroach-infested house was a staging ground, so to speak, where the migrants rested briefly, after making the passage through the mountains of north-west Iran into Turkey, and prepared for the dinghy ride across the Aegean to Greece.

    The migrants I spoke to passionately debated where to settle once they made it to mainland Europe, almost like a family weighing up various vacation destinations. Finland was ‘too cold, and they don’t pay much welfare’, said one. Switzerland was too expensive. And by picking Europe, the men had ruled out other destinations. Oz, for example, was out of the question: they had heard that Australian authorities divert illegals to Papua New Guinea, and you could end up ‘having to share a hot cell with a darky’. A consensus formed around Britain, mainly because most of them spoke at least a little English. But they also knew the Channel crossing was no easy feat. In reality, most of them would end up in Germany or Sweden.

    Unlike the Afghans, Iranians can’t claim to be fleeing war and the Taliban. So they either pretend to be Afghan (not difficult) or they cite persecution on account of being Christian converts. (Liverpool Cathedral has reported converting Iranians at the rate of one a week.) There are many sincere Iranian converts who risk their lives to follow the Nazarene; but there are also some like the young man I met on Lesbos who asked me if it would be better for his asylum case if he were a Christian, a homosexual ‘or maybe both’. I told him to pick one or the other.

    So why do the Iranians come? The answer is simple: because they can.

    Being young men we can expect that once here their human rights will allow them to bring their immediate families and then there extended families and then their extended families’ families …… and soon it will be 1,000+ settling in an area which doesn’t have the infrastructure of houses, schools, doctors and other specialists needed to assimilate them. And when the locals complain that their families are suffering because of the lack of resources they will be shouted down as thick racist, bigots.

  2. Jewish/ African woman (think of the diversity poker points there!) is made uncomfortable by Christmas and tells the British that they must allow more people like her into their country.

  3. Not much to add to the points of the ever excellent BiND

    For Hirsch these immigrants are a means to an end.

    – Ensuring that the prophecy of Powell from the 1970s ‘having the whip hand over the white man’ comes true.

    – Whipping up hysteria through loaded statements such as – ‘More people than ever relied on food banks to get through Christmas this year, around half of them children.’ (Unrelated to a massive surge in demand caused by immigration?)

    – More than 130,000 children faced Christmas in a state of homelessness, in temporary accommodation or B&Bs completely unfit for families. (Again ditto)

    – Almost every day, a woman is killed or takes her own life because of domestic violence, a form of abuse that often spikes at this time of year. (As many women from her region of the globe could testify)

    Although the likelihood of the craven regime currently in place doing so is nil, I would be putting government money into buying up properties which come onto the Market in Crouch End, Notting Hill, Hampstead and so on and ensuring that these ‘Afghans’ are housed there, and reducing the police presence accordingly – see if they are still so enthusiastic about them…..

  4. Tim

    you may want to check out the TRUK post on ‘Rail nationalisation’ – he is wanting to ‘make the trains run on time’
    Could be one for the CT or here?

  5. Also – The data for a ‘Green New Deal’ where he advocates a return to Rationing and forced requisition of housing

  6. From BiND’s Speccie article:

    “But the language that really made my ears perk up was my own: Persian, including the Dari variant of Afghanistan as well as the urban dialect spoken by my own kin, the Tehrani middle class.”

    Which is what one suspects. That many of these migrants are not the poor fleeing persecution. The poor stay where they are & get persecuted because they don’t have the means or the abilities to get out. Part of why they’re poor in the first place. The most likely haul will be the partially successful criminal at the bottom of the middle classes. The grifters & chancers in their own societies. Both the smarts & the means.

  7. “…appeasing anti-immigrant feeling…”

    If however many years of Afua Hirsch’s columns in the ‘Guardian’ haven’t turned us totally against immigrants, nothing will….

  8. ” I would be putting government money into buying up properties which come onto the Market in Crouch End, Notting Hill, Hampstead and so on and ensuring that these ‘Afghans’ are housed there, and reducing the police presence accordingly – see if they are still so enthusiastic about them…..”

    Incredibly enough, they’re already doing this. As housing association properties fall vacant – and there is policy to push white tenants out into assisted purchase schemes out past the M25 ring – these are who have housing priority. And what police presence in Crouch End? I lived there and it’s been response policing for years. Where half of North London goes for its evenings out. Something like 50 restaurants, pubs & bars. Plus the YMCA vermin accommodation facility. I only ever once saw a uniformed police officer on foot at night. And he was a sergeant from Muswell Hill, visiting a mate on his way off shift. I was so surprised I asked. On the Met website, my short street just off the Broadway was showing 93 recorded crimes in a single month. I had three attempted muggings within 100 yards of my flat. (Attempted, not successful, note. I am a born Londoner. The hopeful muggers weren’t) One of my neighbours was stabbed to death on her front doorstep at 8am in the morning.

  9. It used to have a decent butchers. Now it has a shop will sell you boar sausages & & venison mince. If you’re the sort of person buys boar sausages & venison mince.
    Thing that gets me is everyone complains about the things that socialism brings. Then they vote socialist.
    Crouch End now has a residents parking scheme. Came in as I fucked off. The public consultation returned 67% opposed amongst private residents. 98% opposed amongst businesses. It was introduced for a “trial period” a month after the vote was counted. The “trial period” requiring pay & display machines to be installed across the area & residents to have to buy resident permits & display permits for visitors. All very conveniently available at a month’s notice. It has done precisely nothing to improve parking in the area. Actually, it reduced parking. But no problem if you can use the extensive carpark attached to the Town Hall, of course. And the revenue. The revenue!

  10. No comments allowed of course so her lies go unchallenged. She talks about refugees having a right asylum after arrival – not if they are coming from France! The law is that they must apply in the *first* safe country that they reach. Sajid Javid is completely correct to describe people entering the countyry illegally as “illegal migrants”
    Herod was not genocidal – but he did kill anyone he considered a threat including a couple (?) of his own sons.
    She links to a site showing data for 2017 to claim that 2018 was a record Christmas for Food Banks.
    She says that 130,000 children are “in a state of homelessness” because they are living in temporary accommodation – a clear attempt to deceive – and then says that the B&Bs are “completely unfit for families” when the Councils have chosen them as being fit for families.
    There is a simple response to Ms Hirsch “l i a r”

  11. And Sajid Javid isn’t pandering to anybody, he’s stating the law. The UK is legally bound to process these people as seeking asylum from France.

    Considering who they are, they would actually have a better chance of entering the country by coming here legally as legal immigrants through the legal immigration process.

  12. The article plus this linked one does actually help explain what might be driving this sudden rush towards boats even though most still try for lorries:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/01/french-police-step-up-calais-refugee-evictions

    I do find it difficult to understand why people are willing to live in tents in the cold for months, under the threat of police violence, just for a shot at getting to Britain, when they already have the option of claiming asylum and settling properly in France. And if they don’t like France, various other highly developed countries are relatively easily accessible too. Now obviously most people do the ostensibly sensible thing – the stats show that aiming for England is very much a minority pursuit, as BiND’s extract notes. But what the pull is for those most desperate to get here, I’m really not sure. It doesn’t seem that many of them speak all that good English for example, nor objectively would they be likely to live a materially higher quality of life than elsewhere in Europe.

  13. The sudden epidemic of French boat owners’ complaints to police about their stolen boats seems to be remarkably unreported …

  14. From the Iranians I’ve met, their motivation to come to the UK is simply that French girls aren’t as easy.

  15. MBE

    The reason why Iranians are willing to risk this is that gross household income in Iran is around $10,000 a year. 3.33 persons per household.

    https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-business-and-markets/70600/irans-urban-household-budget-survey-2016-17-spending

    Coming to the UK and earning minimum wage represents a huge increase in income. Add in the benefits and the gains are huge. Which is why they are all economic migrants. France has really high migrant unemployment and whilst the minimum wage is higher in France, the odds of getting a job are lower.

    https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-unemployment.htm

    Anyone who crosses over from France is an economic migrant.

  16. Apart from waiters, two-thirds of the Iranians I recall meeting were criminals. Maybe the waiters were also. You never can tell.

  17. Call me soft, but a few dozen middle class persians per se doesn’t bother me.

    What bothers me is the extreme ditheriness of the UK Government’s response to anything at the moment.

    Toy helicopters at Gatwick? rowing boats drifting across from France? Fucking hopeless.

    I want to see some home truths stated to to the twattermob. I want ferry services fro illegals to stop. I want foreign aid to be diverted to stopping illegal immigration. I want to get out of the EU on March 29th preferably without forking out 39bn quid and hopefully without fucking over large sectors of the economy. But whatever. I want the Army to recruit hard as nail working class lads and teach them to be proper British men as they always have done up until about 5 years ago. I want the BBC shut down and sold off and the NHS sold off to private sector health care companies. I want pubic health England to be firebombed.

    And tomorrow I’ll think of some more things.

    It’s not that difficult to win the next election.

  18. Almost no one coming from Iran is a true refugee. Ditto Iraq and Afghanistan (there are places that are dangerous but not the entire country). Same goes for most of Africa – Eritrea is an exception. True refugees from Syria are likely to be Islamic nutcases…which is a problem for the asylum system (hence all the problems with the refugees taken from Libya when Gadhaffi was in charge.)

  19. @ Ken
    The Christian minority in Syria are true refugees (OK, not all of them – a lot of them have already been buried) and any Yazidis left alive are also true refugees.

  20. “I do find it difficult to understand why people are willing to live in tents in the cold for months, under the threat of police violence, just for a shot at getting to Britain, when they already have the option of claiming asylum and settling properly in France.”

    They may have a legal right to settle in France. But that doesn’t mean they’ll be welcome in France. Brits are reasonably accommodating to foreigners. The French aren’t. Someone with a middle-eastern tan will, at least, be suspected of being a maghrebi (broadly speaking N.Africa) & will be despised before they start. They’ll be subject to constant police harassment & humiliation. Few will wish to employ them in any but the most menial, low paid jobs. And that’s in the cities. Outside them it’ll be considerably worse. If you’ve ever seen someone spread-eagled face down on a Parisian pavement with a police rifle barrel jammed in their neck & passers by stepping over them without a glance, you’ll know what I mean.

  21. jack

    +1 for all except first sentence – a few dozen quickly becomes a few thousand, then tens of thousands then Merkel’s millions

    Are you Mr Ecks’ brother?

  22. If you read the Seccie article it talks of an Iranian asking the author if he should claim to be Christian or homosexual or both.

  23. @ken, @bis

    Interesting, thanks. Though if they can reach the UK they can also reach, say, Germany. (Also interesting that Sweden is close to France on the foreign-born unemployment graph, whereas Germany and the UK are very similar.) Lots of asylum seekers who do reach the UK don’t seem to have a fantastic quality of life when they get here, which makes me wonder whether there’s a misleading impression of a land of milk and honey that’s reached them.

  24. “Coming to the UK and earning minimum wage represents a huge increase in income.”

    Yebbut, cost of living is greater in the UK than in Iran. It’s the differential that matters, not the inputs in isolation. this site says the cost of living in Iran is 45% less than the UK, so that makes 10,000 in Iran worth ballpark 15,000 in UK, so exactly the same as minimum wage.

  25. Where is Ecks ??? Tim, use the Ecks phone!

    “Iranians are proof”

    Good joke, Jollygreenman. But I knew some Iranians who fled when the Shah was deposed, and they were good people. I assume the problem in Iran is not the people, but Islam.

  26. Gamecock said:
    “I knew some Iranians who fled when the Shah was deposed, and they were good people”

    Me too. Worked with one; good bloke. Had some interesting stories.

    But they were the ones thrown out for having been too involved with the Shah (or their families were). Educated, cultured, upper end of the professional classes; just the sort of immigrants we want. Trouble is how to let in the ones we want, whilst keeping out the ones we don’t.

  27. Trouble is how to let in the ones we want, whilst keeping out the ones we don’t.

    Step 1: leave EU.
    Step 2: vote in MPs having intestinal fortitude (trickier, that one).

  28. @Julia – you’re reading the new Churchill biography by Andrew Roberts too? If so, a passage or two struck me in the same way.

    I’m only 100 pages in, but there is so much still relevant to today’s UK, Europe, EU, and the world.

    I’m sure that Churchill – were he around now – would not be suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome that most of the metro-elite seems to be #RemainerStockholmSyndrome

  29. My ten pence worth:

    1) To get “smuggled” across the Channel seems to require at least £5k – where the hell do they find this sort of money?

    2) Unless they are magically dropped mid-channel (without having previously trekked across Europe), they ARE illegal immigrants. That’s not “horrible right wingers” being nasty, it’s international law. Dipshit Grauniad readers please note…

    “A consensus formed around Britain, mainly because most of them spoke at least a little English

    It’s possibly to our detriment that English has become the world’s “First” language.

    “In reality, most of them would end up in Germany or Sweden”

    “They may have a legal right to settle in France. But that doesn’t mean they’ll be welcome in France. Brits are reasonably accommodating to foreigners. The French aren’t”

    I happened to watch a short documentary on Al Ja Beeba the other night which was following the steady stream of immigrants heading BACK to their homelands.

    The guy they featured above (in his mid 20’s) couldn’t handle being in Germany any more. Although he was clearly not suffering in a monetary or physical sense, he complained that (Western) culture wasn’t sufficiently accommodating, and he felt that he had no future in the West. The interview was conducted in Arabic, so draw your own conclusions about becoming “integrated”…

  30. @jgh

    They’ll end up with free housing and lots of benefits. And for the criminals amongst them, the earnings are much higher again.

    @MBE

    A poor quality of life in the UK is far better than living in most of Africa, the sub-continent and middle east.

    @john77
    A lot of Syrian Christians were pro-Assad and thus not refugees. Most of the true refugees are probably Islamo nutcases.

  31. @ Ken
    When Assad lost control of 80+% of Syria before Russia stepped in to help the Christians were attacked by Da’esh in their areas and a lot of the moderate Syrian opposition in other areas were Muslims attacking the secular dictator and regarded all non-Muslims with suspicion at best – any non-Muslims who supported Assad were infidels deserving death.
    The Islamic nutcases aren’t refugees

  32. @john77

    I agree that the Christians did become refugees, but they can now go back. I’m afraid under international law the nutcases count as refugees. They have a well founded fear of persecution in their home country. Should we take them in? Probably not. But legally they can claim asylum.

  33. But legally they can claim asylum.
    Only if we’re the first ‘safe’ country they reach. Unlikely, in the case of Syrians.

    The real problem comes from those British citizens who have been fighting for ISIS over there. It’s tricky to keep them out, legally.

  34. @ Ken
    If only! There are around one million (mostly Muslim) refugees in Jordan who would like to go back. Anyone whose house is still standing will find it occupied by someone else whose own house has been destroyed.

  35. @chris miller

    The law does not require they claim asylum in the first safe country.
    https://www.freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

    That said, I tend to the view that anyone who crosses Europe to claim asylum in the uk is not a genuine refugee and the courts should thus rule most of these migrants as being economic migrants. The linked article suggests that a lot of Iranians are succeeding in their asylum claims, which suggests that the authorities and courts are far too credulous.

  36. Not exactly a neutral source, Ken. Refugees aren’t required to claim asylum in the first ‘safe’ country they reach, but subsequent countries are not obliged to grant any such claim. There are further regulations governing this within the EU (Dublin Convention).

  37. @ ken
    No, it doesn’t – it just states that they have no rights to claim asylum in any other country.. Read that link *thoroughly* not just what the pillock wants you to assume,.

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