So, not politics then

Among the things Ritchie does know about:

English politics might wait a long time for something like the SNP to come along. Until long after they have gone, maybe.

Single issue party succeeding in English politics?

What’s scary about it is that this suggests that no deal is Labour’s best hope. And I regret to say it, but in party political terms it probably is. As I was told by an influential member of Corbyn’s team in March 2016, Brexit was a Tory fight and Labour just needed to watch it out to win from it.

That was a position grossly negligent in political terms. But nothing has changed as far as I can see. That’s what Labour are doing. It’s a plan predicated on a no deal. And it’s predicated on chaos. And that Labour can win from this. Which is thought to be a price worth paying.

He’s talking about we do it, we don’t, what’s the deal or no deal because Ukip won or lost?

35 comments on “So, not politics then

  1. I have a sneaking suspicion he’s right about Corbyn. I reckon Corbyn’s Brexit plan is to do as little as possible, to have his finger prints nowhere near whatever happens, and hope to profit from any chaos that ensues. And I reckon he considers the best bet for chaos is a No Deal Brexit, and thus will be trying to engineer that in a way that the Tories get all the blame for it. The fact he’s a life long Leaver means he’d personally like that option too.

    So its entirely possible if the UK does leave on a No Deal, we’ll have Jeremy Corbyn to thank for it. Anyone else in charge of Labour right now, and a BRINO stitch up would have sailed through Parliament months if not years ago.

  2. Corbyn voted for Britain to leave the EEC in 1975, opposed the creation of the European Union ,the Lisbon Treaty, the EU diplomatic service and much more, breaking his Party whip and allying with every nut flying around the far right.
    He went on holiday during the referendum, refused to attend the Remain campaign launch, and called for the invocation of Article 50 faster than Theresa May. He sacked Labour MPs in favour of the Single Market, and opposes Conservative lunacy only with impossibilities and platitudes.
    If you detest Brexit, its economic blight and its nasty heart, Tony Benn`s followers are no more your friend than Enoch Powell’s; never were

  3. I’m quietly confident at the moment that the no deal Brexit I desire will happen at the end of March, thus avoiding tragic loss of life among remainiac traitors who will be free to sail off into political oblivion.

  4. Doc Bud – . U Gov (16.1.2019) measured hypothetical voting intentions at 48% remain, 38% leave, and 14% ‘don`t know’.
    Do you really think the country can get by with only the senile and under educated ( to put it politely)

  5. Newmania,

    The country will do just fine once we leave the EU. We had a referendum, just deliver it. And, of course, you are not putting it politely at all, you are being ignorant and platitudinous, but those who want to remain are not going to stop beavering away just because we leave the EU.

  6. The referendum was a travesty of democracy decided by lies racist populism and the fact that old people get confused .Its bizarre self harming result could have been accommodated with EEA membership a status frequently recommended by Brexit boosters at the time.
    I don`t want to be unfair though, the referendum in which the Germans voted overwhelmingly to create the position of Fuhrer was probably worse..well as bad

  7. Single issue party succeeding in English politics?

    Dunno. Can you put a fag paper between the Snippers and Labour – or any of the other ancien regime woke globalist parties?

    Apart from the misleadingly labelled “independence” vanity project, the misleadingly labelled “nationalists” are no less obnoxiously politically correct and hectoringly effete than the rest of the professional political class across the Western world – right down to the unattractive barren woman in charge.

    What have the pseudonats actually done? Banned fags, hounded boozers, masticated furiously about their love of Islam and black guys, and virtue-twerked about introducing schoolkids to the delights of sodomy and transvestitism.

    How is that different from May, Merkel and Macron?

    And what if I told you (Morpheus glasses on) the SNP are indeed a single issue party, but that issue is gay ruling class managerialism rather than sovereignty? The triumph of the shills.


    So its entirely possible if the UK does leave on a No Deal, we’ll have Jeremy Corbyn to thank for it. Anyone else in charge of Labour right now, and a BRINO stitch up would have sailed through Parliament months if not years ago.

    This is my conspiracy theory (is it still a theory if they’re doing it openly?) behind the coordinated media putsch to label Jez (Jez!) as an “existential threat to Jewish life”. They were hoping to replace him with A. N. Other Blairite stooge before we go down to the sharp end of this Brexit business.

    Jez is – like Trump, like Salvini, like Brexit – a threat to the status quo. (Doesn’t matter if he’s any good or not.) The status quo doesn’t take kindly to being threatened.

  8. I’m not a xenophobic racist. I voted leave because I don’t want some unelected wonk who is ignorant of primary school level physics limiting my choice of kettle.

  9. .. yeah considering how few people voted leave because they are bigots, it’s just amazing how effective a relentlessly lying anti-immigrant campaign was …… gosh they really misjudged that didn’t they with all those constitutionally concerned individuals they should have been appealing to …continued page 94

  10. “Jez is – like Trump, like Salvini, like Brexit – a threat to the status quo. (Doesn’t matter if he’s any good or not.) The status quo doesn’t take kindly to being threatened.”

    I disagree. Jezza is status quo squared. The status quo is more bloated state, more political correctness, more interference in business and private lives. That’s what May and Cameron have been selling. It’s what Miliband has been selling. Jezza is them with a turbocharger.

    The labour party’s time with New Labour might seem like an ideological shift, but it was really an ugly compromise. They never liked it. Nor did the left-stuffed institutions. When they opposed Blair it wasn’t from the right, it was for being not left enough.

    The Labour Party have fallen behind Jezza because after the last election they now think Proper Communism is within reach. The thing they really want is achievable. And that’s what most of the institutions want. They’re constantly fighting in favour of communism because their institutions will grow if they get that.

  11. Labour won’t win by means of no-deal chaos, because there won’t be any chaos. IF the tories, or the group passing themselves off as conservatives, can put the EU behind them when we leave and stop hankering for nurse, they can simulate unity for a while whereas in Labour the recriminations about lost opportunities will never stop.

    I am hoping here that once we’re out the prospect of rejoining will be seen as impossibly daft, at least by most of us.

  12. “Labour won’t win by means of no-deal chaos, because there won’t be any chaos.”

    Well there could be in the short term, not least because the State can manage to f*ck up completely the easiest job going (cf. their ‘negotiations’ so far). Medium term, of course not an issue, but there is bound to be some disruption, and if the usual suspects create trouble (BBC etc) then there is the possibility of a political crisis (over a mountain made of a molehill) and thats Jez’s best chance. Any deal that merely continues the status quo doesn’t give him any disruption to work with at all.

    “Jezza is status quo squared. The status quo is more bloated state, more political correctness, more interference in business and private lives. ”

    Yes and no – he is, but he’s also a disruptor of the current corporatist crony capitalist system. And that would throw a huge amount of spanners in works, not just in the business world, but in the world of government as well. If McDonnells version of Maoism disrupts business, that disrupts taxes, and if taxes are disrupted the State is disrupted. At the moment we have an unholy alliance of State and Big Business, and both are intimately (and fatally) intertwined. Jez wants to gun for Big Business (and probably small business too, but thats by the bye), if he hits his target Big State is right behind it……….

  13. I’m sure it’s a comforting untruth for Newmania and his ilk to believe that people who think differently to him on Brexit are xenophobic bigots.

    Comforting, but very, very silly, and very, very counter-productive.

  14. It must be xenophobia because there can’t possibly be any genuine reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

    Apart from the fact that the people who run it were never elected and, as a consequence cannot be removed from office whatever they do. That the purpose of the EU is supposed to be free trade but they impose tariffs against the rest of the world’s trade and the rest of the world is bigger than the EU. That it is expensive and wasteful. I would add that since we announced that we wanted to leave the EU has behaved like an abusive partner thus proving that we were right and the remainers were wrong. In any case, however misguided and base our motives are claimed to have been, the fact remains that we won and the remainers lost and in a democracy that is all that matters. The alternative is that we abandon democracy which is guaranteed not to end well.

  15. Jim, you are quite correct, there may be short-term chaos. But only what has been planned by remainers here or in the EU. Most people will find no problem or work around what arises.

    I am sure that for most of our domestic politicians party advantage is the only thing that matters, except for those who have some financial or career interest in disrupting brexit. Yes, I think, without any evidence, that remainers are being paid off. None of them give a toss for the nation or the people outside their field of play.

  16. Newmania is one of those people who thinks that democracy is wise and just, so long as it delivers the results he wants.

    Ghandi said you should look over the shoulder of those with differing views so you could understand them. Newmania didn’t want to look over their shoulder, he didn’t want to be in the same room as them. They were old or stupid or both. He seemed to forget that old stupid people had a vote worth every bit as much as his. No matter how wise and important he thinks he is.

    He thinks people who disagree with him must be stupid. A trait shared with many on the remain side. This is the sort of arrogance that at least in part led to the leave vote. Ha ha. Your arrogance led to your defeat. Suck that up.

    I’m stupid and nearly old. And I’m doing that L on the forehead thing at you. Cause you’re a loooooooser

  17. And I thought “Claire” and “alone again” were Gilbert and Sullivan’s best songs.

    Stupid enough for you?

  18. BoM4 – if Jez was in the status quo club, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to replace him. The danger he represents – apart from his barely-concealed euroscepticism – is that he might try to implement genuine economic reforms rather than buy off the proles with identity politics headpats and a bit of welfare largesse.

    Naturally his reforms would be a disaster, but that isn’t why he’s hated by the establishment – they’re fine with disasters, so long as the mug taxpayer picks up the tab. (We are, astonishingly, still spending good money doing nothing of value in Afghanistan)

    Jez might actually inconvenience rich people and politically-connected multinationals. Unforgivable. He also can’t be relied on to bail out the banks next time.

    So he’s unacceptable to TPTB for the same reason Bernie Sanders is.

  19. @Stonyground February 3, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    +1

    I don’t want some unelected wonk who is ignorant limiting the power of my wife’s hairdryer and Hoover

    And deciding Tomato Marmalade is illegal

  20. @Newmania February 3, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    Not wanting open borders is no more racist than not wanting any random person moving into your home or coming to your child’s party, your wedding reception etc

    Not wanting ever increasing violent/fatal crime is not racist: If you were told there were 40 knife or blade incidents per DAY in your home town, you’d naturally wonder why the police weren’t doing anything about it. In London, it’s considered normal.

    How many uninvited migrants live in your home?

  21. They never liked it. Nor did the left-stuffed institutions. When they opposed Blair it wasn’t from the right, it was for being not left enough.

    This is exactly the mirror of what’s happened to the Conservative Party – the Parliamentary party and its big donors are considerably and consistently to the “Left” of its voters and activists. Not a healthy or sustainable proposition.

    I reckon the lefty insitutions (e.g. Al-Beebra, the Guardian, academia, the quangocracy) are mostly fine with Blairism. It gives them what they want – money, position, and epater le white working class.

    The unions are more hard left, but the unions were supposed to have been relegated to the role of silent partners under the New Labour formula.

    Comrades Corbyn is the first Labour leader in a generation who actually represents the broad mass of Labour members, but that’s a bug – not a feature. At least as far as the political class is concerned.

    Member when cyber-kippers used to annoy people with rants against “LibLabCon”? They had a point – pre-Jez, and pre-Brexit referendum, British politics had become a cosy closed shop where both main parties took turns lying through their teeth to their own voters.

    Jez and Brexit are symptoms of an overdue and still inchoate realignment, as our sclerotic 20th century institutions lose effectiveness and legitimacy. It’s going to be messy and acrimonious, but it can’t be stopped.

  22. “He seemed to forget that old stupid people had a vote worth every bit as much as his.”

    He didn’t forget it, he never thought it in the first place. Their votes were only of any value when they agreed with him, or didn’t prevent him getting what he wanted. Its been one of the most instructive thing about Brexit, its made a lot of people reveal their true beliefs about democracy, entirely voluntarily, even though those views don’t paint them in a very good light, and would not normally be revealed.

    Its been a good example of what the Freakonomics guys call ‘Teaching your garden to weed itself’ – setting up a test that makes people inadvertently reveal something about themselves that they would never admit to a direct question.

  23. Here’s a question for you, Newmania. If leavers are all racist bigots, how do you account for TimW’s comment section? A large number of us actually live in forrin’. Many of us in EU countries. Being pro-leave is generally against our own personal interests. I know it is mine. Yet we’re majority leavers, despite that.
    Could that be because we’ve the experience to see beyond our own narrow personal interests? See what’s better for the UK & maybe for European people as a whole? See that the EU isn’t much of a benefit for Europeans?

  24. All across “right wing” blogs with a majority of leavers in the commentators (here or the Speccie for example), you’ll find a Remoaner stand out.

    And to man or women they’re utter cunts. They are incapable of arguing a logical position and instead run around like headless chickens throwing shit and contempt in equal measure.

    Why? You’re hardening our positions.

    Just get a fucking life.

  25. And one thing is clear – once Brexit is out of the way, boy do the Augean stables need some clearing out.

    The current crop of politicians is embarrassingly woeful..

    One exception is Steve Baker. His testimony to the select committee last week is well worth watching, especially on the machinations of the current Government.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6pwZ1saqBc

  26. @Jim
    Its been a good example of what the Freakonomics guys call ‘Teaching your garden to weed itself’ – setting up a test that makes people inadvertently reveal something about themselves that they would never admit to a direct question.

    Indeed. The sheer contempt for the democratic process has been displayed in all its nastiness. And New Moron gives us a fine example of the breed. ‘Tis better to remain silent and be thought a self-righteous, sanctimonious arsehole than to open one’s mouth and demonstrate it beyond all doubt…

  27. @Pcar

    If you want to read any article on the Terriblegraph (hat tip to whoever used that first), open an incognito window or whatever the equivalent is in your browser of choice.
    Click on the article you want and it’ll ask you to register if you want to read the whole thing.
    Click register.
    Now open a second window and search for 10 minute mail. This website will give you a temporary email, which lasts for 10 minutes as the name suggests.
    Copy, paste back in the register form and add a name and password.
    Hey presto, you can now read the article. For reading more articles, close the whole window, rinse and repeat.
    Is a bit of a faff, but if you only want to read the odd article it is ok.

  28. Corbyn is a conviction politician. He is wrong but he truly believes in most of his positions:

    1) He’s an anti-semite and hates Israel
    2) He hates America and capitalism
    3) He hates Britain
    4) He hates the EU.

    Not necessarily in the above order.

    He has not intention of doing anything that might leave the UK subject to EU rules, which would make his crazy Marxist policies impossible. Once one understand this, it’s far easier to understand why the demands for a second referendum have fallen on deaf ears.

    It would have been far easier for Corbyn to apologise and act on anti-semitism than it would for him to embrace a pro-EU position – yet Corbyn has not budged on the former – because he believes.

  29. “I reckon the lefty insitutions (e.g. Al-Beebra, the Guardian, academia, the quangocracy) are mostly fine with Blairism. It gives them what they want – money, position, and epater le white working class”

    Only from the perspective that Blair > Mrs Thatch. But they aren’t going to support Blair against Corbyn.

    And despite what people think of Blair, he was better for the working people than Corbyn. Corbyn’s Labour policies are far more pro-middle class, concerned with student fees, railways etc. Remember the unions aren’t about men with dirt under their fingernails. It’s civil servants in offices.

    You’re quite right about disruption to the old order. The internet means you don’t need to be cosy with the current media.

  30. Busy today so no chance to kick the shite out of New Facepainter until now.

    Hardly worth it tho’. He has nothing except standard remain bullshit delivered in the standard childish mental case Nah, nah Na nahh na–fashion in a desperate attempt to annoy as that is all the cunt has. It would be 5 minutes work to hang the son of bitch in the midst of a civil war. But he and his WOMI wankfest would last about 5 minutes anyway.

    Now as for Jizz–I think Starmer and McNasty are calling the shots. Grandpa Death has already talked enough anti-No Deal crap to cost ZaNu millions of Brexit votes. Maybe McNasty is now the puppet master and Jizz is doing as told in the hope of a chance at power even as a senile figurehead. If he had openly kept faith with a proper Brexit he might have had a chance. But now–I think not.

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