How long does it take to cross the bloody Channel?

British exporters sending goods to far-flung destinations in the coming days risk being locked out of harbours around the world as a no-deal Brexit looms, business leaders have warned.

Independent trade experts and the UK’s biggest business groups said exporters could be dispatching goods from UK ports imminently that would not arrive until after the 29 March deadline. This raised the prospect of goods being stuck in ports or facing hefty additional costs in the event of a disorderly Brexit.

The Bangladeshis are going to lock out our cargo of sewing machines because we’re having a spat with Brussels?

59 comments on “How long does it take to cross the bloody Channel?

  1. Risk

    Could

    Might.

    Without fail in these ‘news’ stories.

    “I might not be fed if I escape my kidnappers”, said the Stockholm Syndrome kidnappee. “I’m best off here”.

  2. 90% of our trade is governed under countless treaties we are part of due to EU membership ( with third countries)
    The usual form of guff we get on this is ” No-one has yet refused to replicate those terms “( Raab..eg)
    Similarly Kylie Minogue and her sister) have not refused to spend a week acting out my fantasies.
    Having promised that all these issues would be resolved in good time it has now emerged that this was ”surprise surprise ” a big fat lie
    The next response is usually to say …” Oh well who cares about International law anyway”-
    This is a better point which is why the whole WTO will be fine crap,,,,, is crap.

    I`m not an expert its obvious

  3. Newmania, I think the difference between you and most of us is that we understand that when it comes down to it pragmatism will trump ideology.

  4. Back again you lying sack of Facepainting shite?

    Kylie wouldn’t care for you grovelling, self-abasing desires for submission to an evil foreign power you deceitful and treasonous cunt. It was probably the bit where she had to follow you in kissing Drunker and Vertwats arses that was the final turn off for the Minogue girl.

    Get the picture Numbnuts–no believes the lying Project Fear cockrot except remainiac shite like you–and even you don’t fucking believe it otherwise your poisonous appellation would be all over survivalist ( prepper to the younger set) websites buying food and water filters. You are just a lying WOMI turd who has long since sold out his nation for the dictat of foreign tyrants.

    As I’ve said before we need a Punishment and Retaliation Commission to track down and punish the 3-4 million pieces of London Bubble shite remainiacs like you Facepaint. To ruin you and to wall off your treason by ensuring that types like you are absolutely excluded from the so-called ruling classes.

  5. I`m not an expert its obvious

    True that.

    Already a shipment of apostrophes has been held up at Calais.

  6. Kylie Minogue eh?
    So either a 12 year old girl in 1992 or gay.
    One’s preferences tell so much about one.

  7. The next response is usually to say …” Oh well who cares about International law anyway”-
    This is a better point which is why the whole WTO will be fine crap,,,,, is crap.

    I think Newmania is inadvertantly making a good point here.

    The whole worldwide ‘rules based system’ is falling apart. China and the EU clearly have no time for the status quo and flagrantly abuse the current system. People moan about Trump tearing it up but that’s just the response to others only applying rules where it suits them. A new world is emerging and the UK needs to find its place. Better to be small and nimble than throwing our lot in with one or the others. The EU look like they’ll be the big losers in the end. The US has power, China has direction, the EU is becoming a giant museum.

  8. I still don’t understand why anybody needs our permission (aka ‘trade deal’) to buy stuff from us, or the other way around. If you want to buy our stuff, just……. buy our stuff. The mere fact that we put it on the market is proof that we are giving permission to people to buy it.

  9. “Ships bound for the Far East, I wrote, take six weeks to arrive. Prior to Brexit, goods loaded will be processed with regards to EU agreements with the destination countries. It we are out of the EU by the time the goods arrive, existing free trade agreements may no longer apply. Shippers might be faced with unexpected restrictions, while importers might be confronted with demands for tariff or other tax payments.”

    So as an importer, faced with those “may’s” and “mights”, what would you do?

    (The quote is from R North’s blog today. Yes, horrid bad person, etc., etc. but please explain why he’s wrong)

  10. Again, this whole story is based on the bizarre idea that all our trading partners are arseholes. And Newmania revels in it. Again. Like a pig in mud.

    Sorry, but nobody is going to be blockading ships carrying British cargoes from their ports. Applying whatever WTO tariffs that country applies possibly, but I presume that this risk has been priced in by the shipping companies…

  11. gareth,

    that’s up to the importing country applying tariffs and depends on whether the goods were FOB at arrival or not I suppose.

    de facto if the importing country decides to impose additional tariffs the inport duty will be paid by the party who has the less leverage when the shipment arrives.

    It’s like after Brexit vote. In my industry with the drop in the pound the cost of shoes changed. British importers demanded the Chinese factories charged the same amount in pounds whereas the Chineae factories demanded the same price in CNY. End of the day it came down to leverage. As always.

    Funny people think that government decisions are the be all and and all.

  12. abacab, that and the original shipment date/delivery date. Corporal Newremania Fraser assumes that Freight Forwarders don’t understand shipping dates and delivery dates and the cargo is all doooooomed to sit rotting on the quayside. If he were any more stupid, he’d need watering twice a week.

    Our business has this contingency in place and the emphasis is on goods shipped after 29th March not goods in transit.

  13. So what happened to goods in transit on all the previous times trade deals have changed/come into existence?

    I don’t recall any chaos, blockades, etc. They must have happened though, right? And there will be links online?

  14. I don’t recall any chaos, blockades, etc. They must have happened though, right? And there will be links online?

    Great Britain had a network of trading arrangements which have long since lapsed . It is a bit like saying well how did you log onto the internet in 1970 then ..it was a very different and much slower world with high tariffs

  15. @ Mr Ecks – thank fuck I’d finished my tea & biscuits before reading your thoughts! I can’t afford more laptop repair bills…

    It takes something to make be burst out laughing on a miserable day like today, but you’ve risen to the challenge, and then some!

  16. ‘Independent trade experts’

    Certified as ‘experts’ by the Guardian.

    ‘“We are making good progress on securing deals and have signed agreements with Chile, the Faroe Islands, and Eastern and Southern African Economic Partnership Agreement states.’

    Now looky here: You’ve had THREE FVCKING YEARS. ‘Good progress?’ You’ve done fvckall.

  17. Newmania, While I don’t remember myself my Singaporean family remember only too well LKY crying as Singapore got booted out of Malaysia and everyone saying how they’d be ruined and begging to return etc etc…

    Turns out not being chained to a bigger economically illiterate block of idiots isn’t the end of the world.

    PS My great uncle (in law) was one of the founding members of the Spore government. I grew up on these stories. Great stuff.

  18. Of course a privateer statelet like Singapore or Hong Kong can get rich that way. The upper bound seems to be approximately Switzerland, and plenty of smaller states ain’t no Switzerlands. Britain is well above that upper bound.

  19. George Monbiot had a revelatory bit in the guardian the other day in which he admitted that he hoped the economy tanked to show that Brexit was wrong.

    But that’s the whole wailing of the left. They want the economy to crash, they want capitalism to fail.

    Because they can’t understand why virtuous people such as themselves haven’t been as successful as their virtue deserves. So they spread the poison that anyone successful must have cheated or lied or been lucky. And they need the economy to fail as a justification for every failure in their own lives, every failure of every socialist nirvana they champion.

    They can’t accept that they failed in life because they backed the wrong horse and for the most part they’re a bunch of useless cunts.

  20. When all these doom scenarios fail to come to fruition, the fruitloops are going to look mightily silly. But they’ll memory-hole that in a few nanoseconds…

  21. Of course a privateer statelet like Singapore or Hong Kong can get rich that way. The upper bound seems to be approximately Switzerland, and plenty of smaller states ain’t no Switzerlands. Britain is well above that upper bound.

    Hear this a lot but not rational for it.

  22. George Monbiot had a revelatory bit in the guardian the other day in which he admitted that he hoped the economy tanked to show that Brexit was wrong.

    He has form for this – he looked forward to the recession in 2008 or so. Actually wrote an opinion column stating it.

    The truly amazing thing is that despite being misanthropes who actively agitate for policies which will cause immense pain to people (and which have been demonstrated time and again elsewhere to do so) the Left has so captured the media that they can portray themselves, and be accepted as such by the majority of the population, as empathic good people with the country’s interests at heart.

  23. No you are dead wrong Biggie. Of course the UK could be a super-economy–remove the obstacles and step back. The country is rotten with the left but not enough to matter once the cash starts to flow.

    Abolish VAT to start. Just for a small start.

    Facepainter–You have reasoned your way to the knowledge that the year is not 1970. That much pure thought is quite good for a remainiac. To advance you start from where you are and do what is needed. We will do very nicely. You are supposed to be some sort of businessman. Get off your arse and you could end up a billionaire instead of a whining EU-Gimp.

  24. When all these doom scenarios fail to come to fruition, the fruitloops are going to look mightily silly. But they’ll memory-hole that in a few nanoseconds…

    Sadly no amount of dumbness is likely to get pinned on the guilty men. Clement Attlee`s disastrous administration Nationalized most UK industry, set up the NHS along Soviet lines and directly contributed to decades of misery
    It is nonetheless still venerated to this day , despite the under performance of the country in this period compared to our neighbors and its final collapse in the 70s
    Brexit will be felt by people alone in Hospitals without care , alone with wives and families when their job has gone …and no-one gives a fuck about them, certainly not you lot

  25. And your love of the tyrannical turds of the EU is occasioned by your vast compassion Facepainter? So what % of your income do you send to the poor and needy? Is that enough to cover the higher food prices caused by the EU and the VAT costs added on to so many things? Will you be covering the bills of those whose jobs and/or working hours are disappearing because of the arrogant and unchangeable bullshit EU regs that emerge from the Brussels rectum? When the Inet is fucked by their Article 13 dictat are you going to pay compo for the gutting of legions of on-line businesses?

    You are a pathetic and worthless loser Facepaint. Give it up and look to your future. I doubt you will prosper because your so-called soul is too blackened with the evil of crawling submission to those you venerate as your masters and owners. But you can at least cease humiliating yourself in service to a very rotten cause: the scum of the EU.

  26. Remember before waving your shroud to wash it in new Sanctimonious Virtue, the moralising powder with a hint of lemony hypocrisy.

  27. Here’s the fucking point anyway:

    The EU says it has to ‘punish’ the Uk for leaving, or ‘Educate’ or ‘there must be consequences’ blah blah fucking blah to stop anyone else wanting out.

    If the EU is so fucking wonderful and everyting they do is optimal then why not just let us leave and give us what we want because then we’ll still be worse off like fucking Adam and Eve getting binned out of the Garden of Eden. Won’t we?

    Unless…. They fucking know their economics is corrupt bullshit and is impoverising millions… else they wouldn’t be worried about Brexit, would they?

    It just fucking basic reasoning.

    Sometimes I honestly think the Chinese fucking commie government has the welfare of their citizens more in mind than the EU.

    Cunts

  28. Yes, no one else has ever done it. It’s surely a less reliable indicator than that no man has ever given birth, not quite at that level of improbability, but the onus is on you, promoting the apparently unlikely, to explain how it will happen. Just as the onus is on the Brexiteers to say what they want and how (realpolitik) they propose to get it – free vegan unicorn milk for all included.

  29. @Dong,

    Europe is, pace little privateer statelets, the second most prosperous area of the planet. Chinese would love to have it. Africans are drowning to come steal a piece of it. For its many faults, ‘t’int ‘alf bad.

  30. One data point is the abysmal performance of the Eurozone since 2008, if you subtract Germany. It’s almost as if the Euro exists for the benefit of Germany

  31. BiG,

    Singapore: five and a half million
    HongKong: seven and a half million
    UK: 65 million
    China: 1500 million.

    We’re a lot closer to small states than we are to the big ones.

    We were relatively a similar size when we became the wealthiest country on the planet via free trade. So we have fucking done it before.

    As was the US, they also got rich from free trade, but even bigger….

    Currently no largish state persues UFT so there’s no fucking current comparison, is there? The theory is out there and you’re aware of it; you’ve been on here forever and you’re a intelectual guy. I might disagree with you on things but I don’t doubt your intelligence. I think you’re alright from your posts.

    Anyway… Europe is turning into a fucking museum. I’m fucking well happy out of there, I’m gonna retire sipping my pina coladas in the Philippines, my kids will be ok, but I’m sad to see my home country fucking itself. Really fucking sad for my childhood friends.

  32. It’s almost as if the Euro exists for the benefit of Germany

    And they don’t even try to hide it.

    “we need the EU to prevent wars within Europe”

    “Ya”

    “And we need an unified currency?”

    “Ya”

    “And this results in Germany getting rich at everyone’s expense until the other countries submit to Germanization?”

    “Well, yes… it’s for ja own good”

    “…..”

    “….”

    “ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer”

    *Spitfire engine in the background….”

  33. The US has not always been a proponent of free trade, repeatedly in the last century has had bouts of protectionism. Spent most of the last century either on the gold standard or running its successor, capital controls included. It’s turned the trade tap on and off as it has seen fit – perhaps advisedly, perhaps not. But to argue it got rich from free trade is as bollocks as suggesting Germany is some kind of neocon bastion trying to inflict that on Europe. Germany, ironically, owes most of its current success to the Blairite/aocialist Schröder.

  34. @ BiG
    The most prosperous states in Europe are outside the EU so don’t try to claim their prosperity as a reason for staying in the EU.
    Gasterbeiter – in Lichtenstein they are Swiss, in German Switzerlands they are Bavarian, in Bavaria they are from other Lander or Austria. In England they are from continental parts of the EU or Ireland or Scotland, in Scotland they are from Ireland. Most UK citizens living in the EU have moved to sunnier climes after they retired.
    We like Poles – but that is not a good enough reason for Blair to tell lads that they should go to university to study some Mickey Mouse degree instead of taking up a useful apprenticeship – and we’ll keep most of them after March 31st just as we have kept my Italian hairdresser (who is now semi-retired; his 30-year-old son who is also Italian but born and lived his whole life in the UK, supports Spurs, normally cuts my hair).

  35. PS Had great fun showing my grandfather’s war medals to this German guy I know who showed up at my boy’s 1st birthday party the other week. He said:

    “In Germany we’re not so proud of our grandfathers’ war exploits”

    No shit Fritz.

  36. The most prosperous states in Europe are outside the EU so don’t try to claim their prosperity as a reason for staying in the EU.

    The Swiss establishment firmly believes their prosperity is due to their bilateral relationship with the EU (incl. Schengen), and desperately try not to piss the EU off. See: Masseneinwanderungsinitiative, Schengen-justified change to the gun laws at the EU’s behest, and so on. But the people are getting pissed off with being pushed around.

  37. Funny thing is that historicaly the Swis prosperity came from staying the fuck out of European affairs.

    Gotta respect them, they know how to play the game.

  38. @John Dongguan

    Yes, must have been a bummer to be a real honest upstanding man’s man true life selfless genuine war hero only to have been in the German army in WWII.

    Difficult to look past that concentration camp footage.

  39. @ AndrewC
    There were *some* decent Germans in the Wehrmacht. Rommel was so admired that he was allowed to commit suicide rather than face trial for trying to get rid of Hitler. Most of the Eastern Europeans welcomed the Wehrmacht as liberators.
    The small minority of SS swine polluted the whole of German’s reputation. The behaviour of the Red Army was viewed as brutish compared to the wehrmacht (hushed up until perestroika as was the true story of Stalingrad)

  40. John,

    Norway, which model is socialist high tax and welfare, so you don’t want, one Switzerland, and one Liechtenstein. You don’t get to choose the size of your country.

    Europe is doing something right (I’m British, and not a pensioner, and hardly in a sunny clime!) Sometimes things get better, sometimes worse, but until China came along basically the only part of the world, except north America, where the overall trend economically has been an upward slope most to all the time since 1945.

  41. Brexit will be felt by people alone in Hospitals without care , alone with wives and families when their job has gone …and no-one gives a fuck about them, certainly not you lot

    Alone with wives and families? Fail.

    It is the government’s job to negotiate our relationships with the EU and the rest of the world, not the people who voted or campaigned for Leave. It is their job to act in our best interests. The fact things haven’t been sorted is not a lie on the part of leavers, Newmania, but fault of the government and the civil service who were/are Remainiacs.
    If we’re being generous, we can chalk it up to incompetence. If we’re being cynical, a deliberate sabotage of Brexit.

  42. @abacab
    When all these doom scenarios fail to come to fruition, the fruitloops are going to look mightily silly. But they’ll memory-hole that in a few nanoseconds…

    The BBC (and their print wing, The Guardian) will declare a disaster whatever happens. They will continue their current completely unbiased reportage: good news = “despite Brexit”; ban news = “because Brexit”. Rational argument is so last millennium.

  43. Doesn’t take much time on google to see there were plenty of plans made and presented, ultimately though the people with the power to do something chose to ignore them and go on their own little merry way.
    And yet that’s the fault of someone else it seems.
    The fact that after 2.5 years they are arguing over an deal that seems to be nothing more than a plan to spend at least another 2years coming up with an agreement shows the level of willingness that the government had for leave

  44. @AndrewC February 8, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    The sad truth is Moonbat’s wish could easily occur – Carney, Hammond etc can make it happen

  45. @ BiG
    I want welfare – for the Deserving Poor. I am quite happy to pay tax to support the poor – but not to subsidise Covent Garden Opera House or Civil Service Pensions higher than my maximum salary or Child Benefit for barristers paying higher rate tax.
    Monaco is not in the EU, nor is Jersey or Guernsey.
    The UK’s economic growth rate was faster before it joined the EEC than afterwards (apart from the Thatcher era which included the benefits of denationalisation.

  46. BiG,
    “The US has not always been a proponent of free trade, repeatedly in the last century has had bouts of protectionism.”

    Internally its not very good either. I’ve been listening to the Cato Daily Podcast for 10 years and it still amazes me how protectionist they are with their Licence Raj. Everything from coffins, to interior decorating to hair braiding need costly licences in some States.

  47. It’s true, BiND. The U.S. has gone full fascist.

    Anecdote: G Gordon Liddy on the radio a few years ago said that he took a visiting Italian friend to a baseball game. They stood as the crowd sang the National Anthem. When the Italian friend heard “O’er the land of the free,” he burst out laughing.

  48. Großer, it’s what biologists don’t “grok” that makes you wish they’d stay with the subject they know, however obscure.

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