Yes, there’s more

Yes, I don’t disagree with the evidently worthy theory behind what you say, but your answers are just far too glib and simplistic. To take your example, landlords back then did not routinely charge “high” (sic) rents – we have a complete family record going back, in detail, to at least 1750 demonstrating that for instance – and in any event you are manifestly confusing tenant farmers on the one hand with farm workers on the other. And tenant farmers, too, who certainly cannot be categorised as rich for the most part and couldn’t back then, also need to make at least a modest profit for living and reinvestment purposes – and to be able to employ others, on fair and secure terms, of course. And to take care of that a decent and sliding scale tax system is and has always been by far the fairest way of ‘penalising’ the genuine robber barons in this country – not that the Tories have ever done that! – not just flooding the country with cheap grain etc. from abroad and thereby ruining a myriad farm etc. businesses of varying sizes and types, rendering environmental controls and support unaffordable and enriching infinitely bigger robber barons from the vast US and Canadian plains into the bargain. Great – I don’t think!
As for your “classical liberals”, well they cannot ever have done that much good over here – far too much of the old Whigs! – or else the Labour Party, the Co-op Movement and the Trade Unions would never have become the huge force it collectively did from the late 19th./early 20th. C. onwards. What is really disgraceful, however, is that all of your flagrant ‘bank/gster’ pals and their apologists like Farage, Minford et al. have managed to distract the entire British public (aided and abetted by that total posh-boy p.r. dimwit Tory Cameron!) into focussing exclusively on ‘Brexit’ for the past ‘x’ years non-stop whilst conveniently ignoring their own blatant role in the massive ruin and inequality of the UK of today, the fact that child etc. poverty (even according to the UN) has never been so high, that careers are now ‘gone’, the effects of ‘AI’ and atmospheric poisoning, etc. etc. And quite how all those afflicted people in the northern Labour heartlands of England can possibly think they will be better off without EU-ordained Regional Development Grants and relying on a Tory Government dispensing ‘largesse’ to them instead totally beats me! Dream on!! In any event, your modern-day “classical liberals” are now 100% synonymous with the neo-cons, sadly – e.g. focussing on the external so-called enemy Russia for the past 2-3 years non-stop again by way of covering up their own elitist, wilfully unequal and thoroughly corrupt and self-serving domestic policies and in the UK, as well as the US, too. What a supremely myopic, navel-gazing and typically insular (not to mention flagrantly xenophobic and racist) exercise ‘Brexit’ truly is: Orwell saw these periodic English (not British) paroxysms all too clearly, years ago, and thank God both Attlee and Thatcher of all people quoting him in support (both far more intelligent that our current ‘lot’) firmly ruled out referenda or ‘plebiscites’ in a representative parliamentary democracy such as ours many years ago as just a polite euphemism for ‘mob rule’. But then they both recalled Hitler (+ Goebbels) and his use of them as tools of propaganda and intimidation only too well………….!! I bet you that the English would vote to bring back hanging – and even, as a spectacle, public beheadings – given a referendum on those indeed!! And how much more complicated was the hugely multi-faceted ‘Brexit’ than that – as anyone even half ‘in the know’ like me (40+ years of EU Law) knew in a heartbeat whilst being afflicted by the wilful and grossly simplistic lies of Johnson, Farage, Gove et al. aided and abetted by all those shameful idiots and worse in our cowed and nowadays lazy and pig-ignorant mainstream media not excluding the increasingly Tory Party-/MI6-driven BBC indeed?!? Anyway, repeated surveys showed that the EU didn’t even feature with the public as a top 10 concern in the 2 GEs before Cameron went on his ludicrous Tory-promoting and anti-UKIP ‘frolic’; now, however, there appears to be no parliamentary bandwith for anything else however pressing. VERY damaging and dangerous!!

Must bring this exchange firmly to a halt now…………..!!!!

30 comments on “Yes, there’s more

  1. The sort of twat who says “you really have drunk the ‘kool-aid’” needs regular kicks up the bum. Or “ass” as he would doubtless say.

  2. There’s a testable claim in there – does EU Regional Development Funding correlate with a narrowing of the inequality between Labour heartlands and those regions which are net contributors to the public purse.
    I suspect not.
    The Lord would say – well give them more money
    The classical liberal would say – give them more freedom

  3. I think a little less passing of the port is needed. Does he write a Grauniad opinion column, or is he just trying out for one?

  4. This bloke’s a lawyer? Jeebus, but I hope I never need one. I’d like to think a lawyer was at least coherent.

    As for Tim being glib – well he clearly hasn’t been paying attention.

  5. ” What a supremely myopic, navel-gazing and typically insular (not to mention flagrantly xenophobic and racist) exercise ‘Brexit’ truly is: Orwell saw these periodic English (not British) paroxysms all too clearly, years ago….. ”

    Funny how the English are the only people that the ‘Powers That Be’ seem terrified of having a say in the running of the UK. Scots have their parliament, Wales and NI their assemblies, England; nothing.

  6. “Anyway, repeated surveys showed that the EU didn’t even feature with the public as a top 10 concern in the 2 GEs before Cameron went on his ludicrous Tory-promoting and anti-UKIP ‘frolic’”

    Mainly because even if a person were steadfastly anti-EU, there was little way they could influence things with their vote, the 3 main parties with any chance of power were all pro-EU. Even so nearly 4m decided that UKIP deserved their votes in 2015, despite it being highly likely that was a wasted vote, in that they were unlikely to even win a seat let alone be in power in any manner.

    Its odd isn’t it, there’s 2.6m Muslims in the UK, and we are constantly told that the rest of us must change our way of life in order to accommodate their wishes, yet if 3.8m people vote for UKIP because they wish to leave the EU they can be safely ignored and basically told to f*ck off and die.

  7. So the repeal of the corn laws was a bad thing?

    It was if your family were landowners. Great thing for the country as a whole, of course.

  8. Wow! He’s a sort of Establishment counterpart to Mr Ecks, proving that the universe likes balance in everything, even bile spewing.

    Or he’s had too much strong coffee.

  9. What Chris Miller said and then some!
    Peel repealed the Corn Laws, costing himself his job and splitting the Tory Party, to relieve the Irish potato famine by allowing cheap food to reach the starving. Of course it reduced some incompetent landowners – who had relied on agricultural protection to ensure that they could sell all their corn at whatever price they asked – from the equivalent of multi-multi-milloinnaire (in modern money terms) status to merely the equivalent of the guy with a handful of millions. To an European Law lawyer that must look like penury.

  10. I was interested to read that we have a representative parliamentary democracy. As far as I am aware, an unrepresentative parliamentary democracy is what we really have.

  11. Lord Loon isn’t worth fisking But for the Age of Email he would have written it on HoL bog roll with Chesti’ s lipstick.

    What a diverse shower of ruined and lost shite the remain gang are.

  12. ” Its odd isn’t it, there’s 2.6m Muslims in the UK, and we are constantly told that the rest of us must change our way of life in order to accommodate their wishesyet if 3.8m people vote for UKIP because they wish to leave the EU they can be safely ignored and basically told to f*ck off and die.”

    That’s because muslims are prepared to enforce their will using violent means their powers of persuasion, so the Establishment is scared of them respects them.

  13. Nothing in that missive that can’t be explained by being a self important twat!

    Meth is optional.

  14. Without cheap corn, the’d be no labour surplus to keep the beloved NHS going. My great-grandmother remembered the days of one doctor for 15,000 people, teeth on Thursdays (when the travelling ether man was in town).
    Our town today has a group practise with four doctors, a couple of spares, and a dozen nurses. Before cheap food imports half of them would be gutting kippers, and the other half would be drowing catching the buggers.

  15. @Longrider March 30, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    This moron thinks that the corn laws were a good thing? That pretty much says it all.

    Hmm, I’m sure you’re in the minority here.

    Tim, Jim, others and I believe repealing the corn laws was excellent and we should repeat by repealing all import taxes.

  16. Pcar – I think you misunderstand me here…

    I most certainly do not think that the corn laws were a good thing and I do think that their repeal was absolutely the right thing to do. Re read my comment

  17. When I was an infant I’d look up to all adults in awe.

    Then I was around 10 I’d realize that a the jobless layabout adults were not worth respect.

    By the time I was 20 I had realized that some adults in work were also fuckwits. But I still held professionals in awe and respect.

    Now I’m 40 I’ve realized that a huge number of professionals: doctors, lawyers, teachers, politicians etc are also fuckwits and you have to take everyone as an individual because somehow even high professional achievement doesn’t preclude someone from being an utter fuckwit.

    Look at this guy. A Lord and a solicitor and he writes like a child and can’t make a coherent argument. What’s the point of professional bodies when they allow clowns like this amongst their ranks?

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