Poor kids get free school meals

Children in low-income families suffer social exclusion and a sense of shame because they do not have enough food to eat, according to research published by the Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG).

Many do not qualify for free school meals;

As the statement is that these kids don’t get free school meals then we must conclude that “low income” means something other than “poor”.

13 comments on “Poor kids get free school meals

  1. I think ‘low income’ in this scenario actually means ‘Has arsehole parents who are given more than enough money by the State to provide for their children but spend it all on themselves instead, and who also can’t be arsed to fill in the forms to get them free school meals’.

  2. The referenced Grauniad article claims that some immigrants with “limited leave to remain” are not allowed to claim benefits including Free School Meals – near the bottom there is a statement from a responsible civil servant stating that Free school Meals are available to all children even if their parents are not allowed to claim benefits.
    So The Grauniad is using its usual trick of referencing itself to make it look as if a lie is backed up by facts.

  3. OT big time –

    and also very deliberately swerved by broadcasr media ….

    Something that should be near the top of the news agenda … imho

    A two-year investigation by The Sunday Times revealed that a network of British Asians stole billions of pounds of public money through VAT and benefit fraud, topping up their gains with mortgage and credit card fraud.
    One per cent on the group’s gains, a full £80m, was allegedly funnelled into al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, with funds reaching the Pakistani compound stormed by US special forces in the 2011 operation to kill Bin Laden.

    The scale of the scam is breathtaking: the group netted around £8bn in public funds alone – almost triple the annual government expenditure on MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

    There’s more exasperating detail in the Telegraph’s coverage – your taxes at work in the hands of our Rolls Royce public sector.

    I don’t know about anybody else but the Kim Jong Un method of sacking officials comes to mind here.

    Investigating it is one thing covering it up – well that is quite another…..

  4. ‘Children in low-income families suffer social exclusion and a sense of shame because they do not have enough food to eat, according to research published by the Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG).’

    ‘Low-income’ not defined.

    ‘Social exclusion and a sense of shame because they do not have enough food to eat’

    What? ‘Social exclusion’ ‘because they do not have enough food to eat’? How does that work? Ditto ‘sense of shame.’ No apparent connections.

    ‘Enough food to eat’ is undefined. If they had ‘enough,’ would they jump over to the ‘obese’ statistic?

    This is CPAG pimping CPAG.

  5. The background to the CPAG research
    http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/proper-meal%E2%80%99-free-school-meals-portugal-and-england

    They claim “In the UK, however, having a parent in paid work usually makes families ineligible for free school meals, and there are no reductions.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43661817 suggests the truth is different:

    “In February it announced that children in Year Three and above in England whose parents earn up to £7,400 a year would be entitled to a free school meal.” So if they earn more than £7,400 a year and receive a variety of other benefits, they do not have eligibility for FSMs.

    Effectively a couple with a single child on universal credit would receive about £800 per month (excluding housing support) and would be able to generate income that would take them towards £17000 a year before losing benefits.

    So Jim is likely right.

  6. If parents aren’t feeding their kids, take the kids from them.

    Don’t pay them anything, don’t give them anything, don’t give the kids anything. It’s not government’s job.

    And don’t treat people differently based on arbitrary standards.

    ‘Whose parents earn up to £7,400 a year’ is absolutely arbitrary.

  7. Zero sympathy. Immigrants with no recourse to public funds are either here on student/work visas (and knew this when they applied for the visa) or whose asylum/immigration claims have been rejected (and should be on the next plane home).

    I am sure there are some really deserving poor people but they are never in the Guardian!

  8. I was on free school meals for several years at school. It didn’t cause a sense of shame, didn’t cause social exclusion.
    I do know my parents at times went without so us kids could have what we needed.
    Part of that time my dad worked as a labourer and delivery driver at a local equipment hire place – delivering equipment and scaffolding to sites and unloading the truck himself, heavy stuff.
    My mum worked in a biscuit factory part time (that’s all they wanted on her shift) with an hour’s walk each way whatever the weather.

    Mid 1980s, as some will remember, lots of unemployed. You took what jobs you could get.

  9. Looking back I must have had kids at my school on free school meals, but no one knew who they were. I don’t think people really care that much.

  10. @ David
    The school managers care *now* because the more kids on FSM, the bigger subsidy they get from the taxpayer.
    Mebbe that’s why the Grauniad is making a fuss.

  11. @john 77 April 3, 2019 at 9:51 am

    +1

    Also why schools are complicit in the rise of children diagnosed with ADHD, Dyslexia, Autism etc

  12. “Also why schools are complicit in the rise of children diagnosed with ADHD, Dyslexia, Autism etc”

    That’s more about having excuses for failure to educate than getting more money. Even with more money they aren’t expected to produce literate and numerate children.

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