A statement for which you can get fired these days

Given that it’s the only one actually selected as an example this must be verboten speech:

On OpenPsych, a non-peer-reviewed journal, Carl alleged in 2016 that the percentage of Muslims in a country’s population are positively “associated with Islamist terrorism across Western countries”. Carl has also spoken at the London Conference on Intelligence – a conference on race intelligence and eugenics which in the past has been covertly held at University College London.

I’ve no idea whether it’s true or not of course. It would be interesting either way. There is a correlation with the Muslim percentage of the population? There isn’t?

After all, if Britain had zero Islamic population then 7/7 would not have happened…..

50 comments on “A statement for which you can get fired these days

  1. And if the UK had a 100% Muslim population, 7/7 would still have occurred as different Muslim sects hate each other as much as they hate infidels. There is no love in Islam and no Jafar Curve with peak terrorism probability.

  2. It’s not a terribly useful bit of information to be honest. Falls in the category of “stuff that is unsurprising”. Hence the open access journal. (He may well have done the research originally to see if it was untrue, which would have been surprising and publishable somewhere better.)

  3. Remember kids, it’s a religion of peace, and don’t you say any different or they’ll be forced to kill you.

  4. Ken, some of the best journals are full open access. It’s the lack of peer review that make the journal less serioustakeable.

  5. This paper is far more interesting
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecoj.12219

    The Long‐run Effect of 9/11: Terrorism, Backlash, and the Assimilation of Muslim Immigrants in the West

    This article investigates whether the 9/11 attacks affected the assimilation rate of Muslims in the US. Terror attacks by Islamic groups are likely to induce a backlash against Muslims, thereby raising their costs of assimilation. We find that Muslim immigrants living in states with the sharpest increase in hate crimes also exhibit: greater chances of marrying within their own ethnic group; higher fertility; lower female labour force participation; and lower English proficiency. These findings shed light on the increasing use of terror and concurrent rise in social tensions surrounding Muslim immigrants in the West.

    So terrorism is working in isolating Muslims and increasing religiousity.

  6. BiG

    Ah, different fields. In my area, while non review is, as you say, taken less seriously, open access is not a thing for us. For our journals, you have to pay to submit a paper!

  7. Ken,

    The academic publishing world is still trying to work out what to do with this thing called ye internet. There are almost as many business models as there are journals.

    Open access has nothing directly to do with submission fees or peer review. There are journals, both serious and non-serious (and some which we hesitantly categorise as predatory), that operate all possible permutations, and sometimes on a mixture thereof (open/paid-for access, fee/no fee to submit/publish, peer review/no peer review).

    I concede I know nothing about what are considered serious journals and the criteria for being considered serious or not in the humanities, or, social sciences (or most sciences, outside clinical medicine for that matter).

  8. If a paper is right it doesn’t need peer review. If it is wrong then peer review didn’t work. Lots of papers are published which are both wrong and peer reviewed. And with the witch hunts nowadays you wouldn’t want to have anything to do with a poisonous paper like this one, anonymous or not, correct or not.

  9. In other news, the percentage of white people in a country’s population is positively associated with the number of white rapists in that country.

    After all, if Britain had zero Islamic population then 7/7 would not have happened…..

    Also equally true is that if Britain had zero white population, then there would be zero white rapists in Britain.

  10. “Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

    And finally, just like nearly 90 per cent of child abusers who are white men do not typify all British white men, these Pakistani criminals do not typify all British Pakistanis. As we plunge further into this debate, let’s not drown out the most important voices which are those of the victims of this brutal evil.

    source: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scandal-exploitation-victims-sarah-champion-race-a7890106.html?amp

    Statistically speaking, the way to reduce sex crimes against children in Britain would be to limit white people from having children and increase immigration from places like Pakistan.

  11. @ Ahmed Fares
    Are you unable to understand “disproprtionately”? And do you know the difference between numbers and percentages?
    Maybe you are just trolling.
    Statistically speaking *one* way to reduce sex crimes would be to *reduce* the number of Pakistanis, not increase them.
    The *percentage* of white people in the population is NOT associated with the number of white rapists – San Marino with a 100% white population has far fewer white rapists than most other countries

  12. Considering the leniency Muslim rapists were treated with in many places, the relationship between conviction and number of rapists seems to vary. You are more likely to be prosecuted if you are a non Muslim than a Muslim.

  13. I peer reviewed five papers last year for a conference. Two were knocked out straight away as they had already been published. I did not recommend any of the other three as being worthy of inclusion, although one could have been with a considerable amount of re-writing. The most pointless paper of the lot ended up being included, which I assume was a political decision based on the supposed eminence of one of the authors.

    I didn’t bother attending the conference.

  14. @ Ahmed

    Statistically speaking what do you think having a 100% Islamic population would do for the number of rapists in the UK?

    Take your time answering.

  15. @john 77,

    Yes, I understand proportionality, which is why I used percentages instead of numbers. According to the data I’ve given, sex crimes are overrepresented among white people, given that the 90% figure is higher than the proportion of white people in the population. That figure was around 82% in the 2011 census but has fallen since then.

    @SimonB,

    Statistically speaking what do you think having a 100% Islamic population would do for the number of rapists in the UK?

    The percentage of rapists would decrease given the data as show in my response to john 77. Which is to say that if you have daughters, they’re safer being raised in a Pakistani neighbourhood than a white one.

    Facts are stubborn things.

  16. Which is to say that if you have daughters, they’re safer being raised in a Pakistani neighbourhood than a white one.

    I’d rather protect my daughters in a white neighbourhood than live in a Pakistani one and put up with all the Medieval claptrap. Of course, if you have adolescent sons in a Pakistani (or Afghani) neighbourhood, you’d better keep them indoors.

  17. Oh dear Ahmed, you aren’t very thorough, are you?

    You link to this webpage to support your claim that 90% of rapes are commited by white men:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scandal-exploitation-victims-sarah-champion-race-a7890106.html?amp

    An article written by Naz Shah, a well known anti-white, anti-semite, race bater. In her article the claim that 90% of rapes are committed by white men links to this Guardian article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race?CMP=aff_1432&utm_content=The+Independent&awc=5795_1556859328_02fb97d0dbe61b707d91621209fe4ff6

    This article no where states that 90 % of rapes are commited by white men. It’s the typical leftist ploy to put in a reference that ultimately goes no where; at least she didn’t just reference herself making an assertion which seems to happen about half the time with these links. She is lying to stigmatise white men who she hates because she’s a racist pig.

    A quick Google would find you this on the ONS website:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/rapeconvictionsandethnicity

    We publish statistics from two main sources: The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime, both of which focus mainly on the victims of crime and do not cover data on convictions or on characteristics of offenders. Therefore, we are unable to provide an ethnic breakdown of those convicted of rape, or any further information around convictions of crime.

  18. 100% of crimes are committed by people.

    Therefore the solution is obvious.

    Remove 100% of the people and remove 100% of the crime. Simples.

    Might have a negative impact on GDP though.

  19. Quality fisking, DJ!

    If you look at the wikipedia list of majority Muslim nations, it is chockfull of utter, utter shitholes. The only real exception is Malaysia, which has a healthy non-Muslim population, many of whom are Chinese. I rather like Indonesia too, but it is not terribly safe and hopelessly corrupt.

    You might argue for some of the ‘stans (not Pakistan obv) being culturally different and therefore OK too, I suppose.

    Otherwise the correlation is pretty clear.

    I don’t claim correlation = causation incidentally. I suspect that countries full of goatfucking peasants were more likely to succumb to Islam, therefore in many cases it is the goatfuckers who are to blame, not Islam. Of course, any nation faced with Muslim immigration doesn’t need to worry about the distinction..

  20. Are you unable to understand “disproprtionately”?

    To be fair, it’s hard to understand much of anything when your family tree is a rhododendron.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

    Which is to say that if you have daughters, they’re safer being raised in a Pakistani neighbourhood than a white one

    This is almost as believable as the one about Mohammed flying to the Moon on a magic horse.

  21. As we plunge further into this debate, let’s not drown out the most important voices which are those of the victims of this brutal evil.

    The same victims that the Left media suppressed for years. Still, the article is striking in other ways: imagine seeing this sentence in a Leftwing paper ten years ago: “Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse”.

    So they are still in denial, but they have shifted ground considerably.

  22. They have been obliged to shift ground because people are waking up and even bullshiters like Ah-meds can’t lie their way out of it.

  23. Dongguan John

    The police provide some data on the ethnicity of defendants accused of sex offences, although the data only runs to 2014. For some reason no data is published on this in their 2016 report.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014

    77.3% of defendants are white. 8.9% are Black and 9.9% are Asian. Ahmed Fares assertions are highly dubious. Given the rash of prosecutions since 2014, I’d guess we’d find that Asians would be a far higher proportion of the defendants.

    Note of course that this is where people are accused and brought to trial and not technically all potential criminals. However, it suggests that importing Pakistanis would not have the effect suggested by Ahmed.

  24. @Ahmed Fares
    “The percentage of rapists would decrease given the data as show in my response to john 77. Which is to say that if you have daughters, they’re safer being raised in a Pakistani neighbourhood than a white one.”
    Your claim (which John 77 has shown to be wrong) is referring to convicted rapists not rapists.
    Unfortunately the police treat alleged rape by Muslims less seriously than non Muslims
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/03/16/police-memo-telford-girls-consented-sex-abuse-groomers/

    In Telford they didn’t care about a 13 year old being raped because they said that she consented – despite it being illegal, compare this to Adam Johnson who was convicted for sex with a 15 year old girl.

    Saying that if you really feel life is better in a 100% percent Pakistan neighbourhood, don’t let me disuade you, I hope you enjoy going to Pakistan.

  25. @ Ahmed Fares
    In that case you are DELIBERATELY being misleading.

    I gave you the chance to say that you misunderstood

  26. I’ve been going to the same supermarket for about ten years. Invariably, there are always one or two panhandlers at the entrance trying to bum money off me. About a quarter of them are indigenous Canadians, the other three-quarters are white.

    On the way home from shopping, the always white panhandlers get you when you’re stuck in traffic.

    I have rarely in my life seen an ethnic panhandling. Something about white people having no shame.

    @MC,

    Maybe if you whites didn’t screw up our countries, we wouldn’t have to come to yours.

    @Chester Draws,

    Here’s some statistics on sexual harassment from npr.org:

    The results, released in a report Wednesday, show that 77 percent of women had experienced verbal sexual harassment, and 51 percent had been sexually touched without their permission. About 41 percent said they had been sexually harassed online, and 27 percent said they had survived sexual assault.

    This is what you’re proud of? Really empowered women have you?

    @john 77,

    The fact that you brought up proportionality when I clearly used percentages instead of absolute numbers was a straw man argument. When you make a cogent argument, backed with facts, then I’ll respond.

    Is Muslim crime overrepresented in France? Yes. Do the French treat their Muslims as second-class citizens. Yes. Is it possible that when you deny people the right to advance in society that they turn to crime in larger numbers. Of course.

    Numbers can be misleading. You have to look at the whole picture.

  27. A muslim going on about shame ? – a religion that supports child marriage, wife beating, female genital mutilation ,killing of infidels and endemic rape gangs is concerned about a few beggars. FUCK OFF.

  28. @moqifen,

    “endemic rape gangs”

    Yes, that’s despicable.

    Victims were plied with drink and drugs and then “used and abused at will” in a seven-year “campaign of rape and abuse” between 2004 and 2011.

    Wow, seven years. That’s a long time. Where were these girls parents while all this was happening?

    During the trials, the court heard girls would be driven up to remote moorland late at night and abandoned if they refused the men’s sexual demands.

    Yeah, but how did they get them in their cars in the first place?

    Victims and their families said they repeatedly told West Yorkshire Police what was happening but no arrests were made until years later.

    I have so many questions about this. Sex crimes are reported repeatedly and nothing happens? Seems the police don’t know how to do their job.

    At house parties, girls would be plied with alcohol and drugs before being sexually abused “one by one” by the men, sometimes without contraception.

    Again, how did they end up at these parties? Were they blackmailed into being there? If their parents knew about it, why did they continue to let it happen even after they apparently went to the police?

    Seriously, how does something like this stay hidden for seven years?

  29. You are clearly just an anti-White racist, Ahmed, with a massive chip on both your shoulders. Apparently, the fact that Islam leads to Shitholistan wherever it finds itself, be it a country or a suburb, is all the fault of White people. You are also big on the “yeah, Muslims do bad things, but others are as bad or worse” style of argument.

    Muslims will always have a problem living among civilised people, and that problem is old ha-Meshugga himself. As long as Muslims revere as the perfect human a charlatan who captured, owned and traded slaves, allowed his followers to rape slaves, raided caravans, and was involved in murder and massacres, they will always struggle to be part of the modern, civilised world.

  30. @DocBud,

    You are clearly just an anti-White racist

    I’m actually only slightly off-white really. Not even close to being brown. So it’s not a skin colour thing. It’s just that I hate hypocrisy. Like this below:

    and was involved in murder and massacres, they will always struggle to be part of the modern, civilised world.

    Said by Christians who slaughtered each other on the battlefields of Europe by the tens of millions. Twice. Let’s not forget those six million Jews that died in the Holocaust.

    Yes, how very civilized of you.

  31. @ Ahmed Fares
    Are you stupid or a liar?

    The number of rapes should be proportional to the number of men/white men/black men/pakistni men (choose one according to your prejuduce) not according the percentages. I am willing (without having looked at the data) to bet you $1000 that there are fewer rapes by white men in San Marino (with a 100% white populatiion than innthe USA with a population less than 100% white.

    “The Conversation” has my details so I won’t welch if I lose the bet.

  32. You’ve nailed me there, Ahmed, around here we all revere Hitler as the perfect human being, a role model for generations, so we’re all hypocrites for pointing out that Mohammed was an evil piece of shit.

  33. john 77,

    I don’t know why you brought up San Marino, I was talking about Britain. (Because that’s the types we get on this forum. I’m Canadian by the way.)

    While it’s true for proportionality you need two numbers, I assumed and checked that white people were not 90% of Britain, which according to the 2011 census they’re not (82%). The number has actually fallen since then.

    So if the number of sex crimes by British white people is higher than their proportion in the general population, which it is, then that proves that British white people are more likely to be convicted of sex crimes.

    Again, the reason I brought that up because I see a lot of articles here about those Pakistani grooming gangs.

  34. DocBud,

    So you’re just going to blame all those deaths on Hitler and everyone else was just following orders?

    around here we all revere Hitler

    Some still do, they’re called neo-Nazis. Lot’s of them in Germany too.

    Intelligence services believe there are currently more than 24,000 neo-Nazis in Germany, more than 12,700 of whom are prepared to use violence against the state, the interior ministry wrote. —telegraph.co.uk

  35. @ Ahmed Fares
    So, you just don’t know what you are talking about – well, that’s OK but it would be better if you said that at the beginning.
    i quoted San Marino because it came up in another rant about evil white male discrimination as having 0% of non-whites so it is a useful yardstick.
    Your numbers do not match those supplied by ONS regarding the 2011 census – it says 86% are/were white and the %age for adults is greater since BAME have a higher birthrate.
    Proves – utter bullshit!! It could show, or not show, a correlation but that would necessitate your use of correct data – something that seems beyond your abilities.
    If your study of comparative religion omits the similarity between worship of Saints by the pre-Reformation Catholics and the mainstream Sunnis in Central Asia, so that you think Calvinists are clower to Islam than Catholics, why should I take seriously *anything* that you say?

  36. You are frustratingly dense, Ahmed. A minuscule portion of the German population (about 0.03%) is composed of neo-Nazis, so what? A minority of Muslims also deny the Holocaust, but that also is irrelevant. The Western world is partly, to a significant extent, a product of its Christian past, but a majority no longer govern their lives by the Christian faith. Enlightenment values such as liberty, reason, trust in science and tolerance are far more important.

    As I’ve said, the problem Muslims have in the modern world is that they insist on believing that an unpleasant Medieval warlord of low morals is the perfect human. Obviously, if they stopped believing such self-evident claptrap, they’d cease to be followers of Islam as Islam is fundamentally the cult of Mohammed. While I understand why poorly educated peasants can still embrace Islam, it is a complete mystery to me how well educated Muslims still revere the false prophet and his made up god.

  37. john 77,

    If your study of comparative religion omits the similarity between worship of Saints by the pre-Reformation Catholics and the mainstream Sunnis in Central Asia, so that you think Calvinists are clower to Islam than Catholics, why should I take seriously *anything* that you say?

    The number of saints worshipped by mainstream Sunnis in Central Asia is exactly zero. Because Muslims don’t worship saints, they venerate them. Worship is reserved for God alone.

    Also, the word “saint” has a different meaning in Islam. They are leaders of Sufi orders, Sufism being the mystical branch of Islam, i.e., the Islamic path to enlightenment. More like Indian gurus.

    While some Christian saints like St. Teresa of Avila are true saints, the majority of people the Catholic church calls saints are anything but. They made Mother Teresa a saint, she doesn’t even believe in God. While she did good works, Catholics say you need both faith and good works.

    “She felt no presence of God whatsoever … in her heart or in the eucharist”. Teresa expressed grave doubts about God’s existence and pain over her lack of faith —Wikipedia

    Calvinists are closer to Islam because they believe in divine determinism. Christians drifted more to deism after the Lisbon earthquake on Nov 1, 1755. First the earthquake, then the fires because of all those candles that were lit because it was All Saints Day. Four hours later, the tsunami hit.

  38. DocBud,

    The Western world is partly, to a significant extent, a product of its Christian past, but a majority no longer govern their lives by the Christian faith. Enlightenment values such as liberty, reason, trust in science and tolerance are far more important.

    How’s that working out for you?

    Where I live, the divorce rate is 45%. But averages are misleading. The divorce rate for ethnics is overstated as it is closer to 20%. That means the divorce rate for white people is understated and closer to 60%. Women initiate 70% of all divorces. (Some of that may be due to men cheating.) A lot of people growing up in broken families and all the social ills that entails.

    In any event, I’d say that without the constraints of religion, life gets worse, not better. You can see it in the statistics.

    This, in today’s paper where I live:

    ‘Alarming rates’ of syphilis and gonorrhea…Gonorrhea cases more than doubled from 1,900 cases in 2014 to more than 5,000 cases in 2018, while syphilis cases increased from 160 in 2014 to more than 1,500 cases in 2018, the alert said.

    That might have something to do with the crystal meth epidemic we’re currently going through…

  39. On divirce rates. Divorce is allowed in Islam, no? So, what are the divorce rates in varied Islamic societies? I have absolutely no idea myself but that is the correct comparator, no?

  40. It would aid if you knew a little more about the events being referred to.

    We’ve been having a series of trials. Of ethnically based rape gangs. Near all Pakistani Muslim men. The enlightened view of this is something about the clannishness of this version of the Pakistani culture in certain parts of England.

    One of the major complaints about all of this – after the disgust at the actual crimes etc – is how repeated complaints to police were ignored. Essentially on the grounds that to investigate would have been racism. That does rather enrage.

    As to parents- most of the girls were in care. Care of the state that is.

    There’s no particular reason why you as a Canadian should know all of this. But you should try to brush up your knowledge before commenting upon it.

  41. How’s that working out for you?

    Perfectly, thank you for asking. Still married to MrsBud after 38 years, live in a big house overlooking the ocean and islands away from any crime, make a very good living thanks to the social mobility provided by a grammar school education and I don’t waste any part of my week worshipping a non-existent god.

    Religion does indeed help control the masses, that is precisely why Mohammed dreamed up his cult in the first place, to keep his followers in check, but I’d rather live in a society where I’m free to think and say what I want rather than one where there are sanctions for upsetting religious people. Sadly, largely due to Muslim immigration, the West is going backwards in this regard, making it illegal to point out to believers that their beliefs are irrational.

  42. @ Ahmed Fares
    “Worship” and “Venerate” are synonyms. Catholics will tell you that they “venerate” saints, just as you tell me that Muslims “venerate” their saints.

    Since both Catholics and Muslims pray to their “saints” I prefer to use the more widely understood “worship”.

  43. john 77,

    ““Worship” and “Venerate” are synonyms.

    Now you’re just playing stupid.

    worship: the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

    venerate: regard with great respect; revere

  44. DocBud,

    that is precisely why Mohammed dreamed up his cult in the first place

    Muhammad was illiterate.

    The miracle of Christianity is that a virgin produced a child. The miracle of Islam is that an illiterate man produced a book.

    The Qur’an challenged the Arabs to produce even a section that was comparable to it and they could not do so. Despite the Arabs being a literary people with great poets, none could rise to the challenge so they went to war instead.

    There are things in the Qur’an from the Upanishads and the Bhagavad-Gita. From the Bible, the Old Testament, and from the Apocrypha (Infancy Gospel of Thomas). From the Babylonian Talmud. The Qur’an mentions time dilation long before Einstein rediscovered it. Teleportation also. It has a mathematical code based on the number 19 that was only discovered in around 1980 by computer.

    All this from someone illiterate.

  45. While there is nothing particularly remarkable about an illiterate person having a great memory, I think with Mohammed, it is more a case of there being behind every great charlatan a great woman.

  46. DocBud,

    From the video you posted:

    “On April 22, 2019, the Muslim American Society Islamic Center in Philadelphia (MAS Philly) uploaded a video of an “Ummah Day” celebration to its Facebook page in which young children wearing Palestinian…”

    These are Palestinians training to free their homeland, i.e., “occupied Palestine”, which the British took from them and gave to the Jews. Here’s a little history for you:

    The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population.

  47. You are clearly utterly and completely deranged, Ahmed, which, given the nature of what you believe, is no great surprise. Why would you encourage school kids to talk about chopping people’s heads off?

    Palestinian terrorists are lily livered cowards who hide behind women and children. They will never achieve their aim of destroying the country of Israel because they are no match for the heroes of the IDF.

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