Does this sound professional to you?

The professionalism of the hit on Mr Palmer meant the police were convinced his murder was an underworld assassination.

OK.

Police believe there may have then been a brief exchange before the his assassin opened fire, hitting Mr Palmer in the right elbow, the right side of the chest and the right side of the stomach.

It is thought the 65-year-old then managed to stagger away for about 20 metres before collapsing on the ground.

The gunman then calmly walked up to his prone figure and emptied another three bullets into him, hitting him in the left arm, the top of the back and the left hand side of his torso.

Wouldn’t a professional actually be able to shoot? You know, couple of shots, ‘ee’s dead mate?

32 comments on “Does this sound professional to you?

  1. Without extensive training, it’s surprisingly hard to shoot straight with a pistol.
    I can entirely believe that when the adrenaline is pumping someone can be that inacurate even at close range.
    Don’t forget that when the Met had open season on Brazilian electricians, highly trained Plod managed to miss completely at least once and probably three times and that at point blank range.

  2. There’s 2 elements to an extra-legal execution, the elimination of the target and the need to strike fear into those who are to be controlled. The IRA are past-masters at this, and the public executions carried out by islamic terrorist groups fulfil the same purpose. so spraying the body ratchets up the fear factor.

  3. I actually know of someone who was genuinely shot dead by an underworld assassin, one bullet through the side window of a parked car while he waited for his girlfriend. No exchange, brief or otherwise, no witnesses, no leads. What you have here is a former colleague with a gun and a grudge.

    But you missed the best bit, Tim, “Police initially failed to spot the fact he had been gunned down and put his death down to natural causes, with the wounds thought to be the result of recent gall bladder surgery.” Uhuh. six entry wounds, two or three bullets lodged in the body, three or four exit wounds. That’s on a par with the guy who committed suicide by tying his hands together before blowing his brains out from behind. And then disposing of the weapon.

  4. “Wouldn’t a professional actually be able to shoot? You know, couple of shots, ‘ee’s dead mate?”

    Hahahahaha. No.

    People amazingly hard to kill – you need to hit the right places (which are pretty small) in order to kill like that.

    In addition, the people you’d think would be well-practiced and capable their firearm of choice tend to be complete shite when shooting under pressure. Law enforcement, for example.

    Sure, some of those guys are calm and collected under pressure and can nail shots but most . . . most hear a car backfire and then they mag-dump. And then every cop in the vicinity mag-dumps.

    Take the little hoopla in Houston not too long ago. Group of cops lie to get a no-knock warrant on a couple someone claimed was selling drugs. First cop goes in, shoots the dog (it SOP here now), every other cop behind him – all of which were *outside the house* then open fire. Couple cops in the hospital, the two residents (who were not dealing) dead – because everyone got excited and blew their load all over the place.

    These are dudes who get to go to the range as part of their job, take part in combat shooting courses, and routinely serve warrants with excessive violence and they couldn’t keep it together.

  5. It appears that there really is no limit to the expertise of the local commentariat. We can now add contract killing to the list.

  6. “Police initially failed to spot the fact he had been gunned down and put his death down to natural causes, with the wounds thought to be the result of recent gall bladder surgery.”

    All sounds a bit Line of Duty

  7. Quote: At the time of Mr Palmer’s death speculation was also rife that he may have been a key figure in the Hatton Garden safety deposit burglary, which happened two months before he died. However criminal matters in relation to that offence have now concluded and there is nothing to suggest he was involved.

    Now wouldn’t it be convenient to hang a whole lot of other crimes on a known crim? Betcha he murdered Pricess Di and abducted Maddie.

    Quote: Mr Palmer was also convicted of a timeshare fraud in 2001 in which 16,000 victims lost an estimated £33 million.

    i.e. about 16,000 potential perps. Right lads, overtime for all – forever!

  8. That’s the spirit, m’Lud: why should the busies have a monopoly on inventiveness?

  9. I think the local expertise is in pistol shooting, something even I have a bit of experience of (albeit only military 9mm) rather than contract killing.

  10. Now wouldn’t it be convenient to hang a whole lot of other crimes on a known crim? Betcha he murdered Pricess Di and abducted Maddie.

    With his dying breath he also claimed responsibility for 19,000 unsolved burglaries across England.

  11. @RlJ: Well, I wouldn’t be surprised to find an NHS surgeon who thought the gall bladder resides in the head or the shoulder, so why criticise plod for it?

  12. The paper work has gotten so heavy there is little time for shooting practice anymore.

    ‘Police initially failed to spot the fact he had been gunned down and put his death down to natural causes’

    ‘The gunman then calmly walked up to his prone figure and emptied another three bullets into him’

    Square those two sentences.

    ‘hitting him in the left arm, the top of the back and the left hand side of his torso.’

    Again, howTF do they know? Martin Evans, CRIME CORRESPONDENT, doesn’t know much about crime. Maybe he should watch some TV?

  13. Wouldn’t a professional actually be able to shoot? You know, couple of shots, ‘ee’s dead mate?

    Sure, but “professional hit” in this context just means another criminal being paid to kill Palmer, little more. Sure, a certain amount of ability to ACTUALLY SHOOT is a bonus, but mostly you just want to have a proxy do the killing while the criminal paying for it has a decent alibi in the hope (and reasonable expectation) that this is enough to keep plod at bay.

    Since the hitman killed Palmer without witnesses and without leaving anything in the way of forensic evidence (since even the cops didn’t think it was a murder scene, so presumably walked all over it), then it sounds like the hit was a successful one.

    Sure, the contract killer might get caught for something else and shop “Mr. Big” for a reduced sentence, but they will only do that if they are on the hook for it themselves. There is also the bonus that if “Mr. Big” is prepared to have Palmer whacked, they would have little concern over whacking some scrote contract killer.

    My expectation is that this will all be filled in the “Got what he had coming” drawer.

  14. I guess if someone were trying to shoot me, I’d move about a bit. Might make hitting what someone was aiming at harder.

  15. In terms of “was this done by someone with some training in assassination?”, then I’d have to say no.

    A good example of a “professional hit” was Dr Gerald Bull, artillery innovator (a bit of a von Braun type, obsessed with the idea of firing payloads into space cheaply and untroubled whose money he took or what work he did for them to finance his experiments) who was slotted by what’s generally assumed to be the Israelis, to stop him making giant Tel Aviv-shelling superguns for Saddam Hussein.

    The most usual version of Bull’s death was that, as he was unlocking his front door, he was shot five times from behind with a smallish-calibre pistol. No conversation, no face-to-face, multiple rounds at short range to make sure he went down and stayed down. Nobody saw the shooter.

    For a cinematic version, there’s a good example in “Casino”, where the victim is opening their car boot and loading shopping: the killer walks up behind them, shoots them in the head at close range, and keeps firing into the body as he walks past without changing pace. Even if bystanders are hearing the noise, once the victim’s fallen between the parked cars there’s nothing obvious to see.

    Key points are to avoid being seen or identified, get lethal shots in quickly, and get multiple shots in because as Agamemnon says, folk can be remarkably resilient and modern medicine is very good at winching the severely wounded back out of the jaws of death.

    (No, I didn’t learn how to do any of this myself, this is what to look for and how to tell “targeted deliberate assassination” from “randomly caught a bullet”, from colleagues who’d been in the Former Republic of Yugoslavia during some of the more vicious power struggles between various factions.)

    This may have been a “professional” job in the sense of someone was given a big pile of cash to carry it out, but it’s not inconceivable that it was simply someone settling a personal score or slight themselves.

  16. This may have been a “professional” job in the sense of someone was given a big pile of cash to carry it out, but it’s not inconceivable that it was simply someone settling a personal score or slight themselves.

    Since Palmer was already on the hook for the timeshare fraud in which he was named as a defendant, I’d guess that somebody was worried about Palmer ratting them out or else they wished to create a body against which to lay the blame, possibly both.

    The great thing about a successful hit is that the target isn’t around to help clear the matter up, unless someone has a Ouija board and a decent medium.

    😐

  17. “I guess if someone were trying to shoot me, I’d move about a bit.”

    Of course. But how much moving about can you do when ‘prone?’

    ‘calmly walked up to his prone figure’

    Calmly? With no witnesses? I see the professional here: Martin Evans. Punching up the story. Cos he’s a journalist.

  18. A good example of an amateur “professional” hit was of course the Norman Smith non-assassination, where poor old Rinka the dog got it instead. Proper hitmen ( in the UK anyway) are probably hard to find, demand being rather low, so any old geezer who can procure a shooter “down the Lane” gets employed.

    About 15-ish years ago, a few hundred yards from where we used to live in Surrey a “businessman” was executed on his doorstep. Rest of family in villa in Spain, he alone. Doorbell rings, he answers, blam with a shotgun. Instantly dead. Strange thing was, the story completely disappeared from the media. We went to watch the TV crews outside the house. A murder like that is usually news for months, in Surrey anyway.

  19. By the way, if you want mystery shootings, try Germany. At the moment police are baffled by a series of killings ( 3 in Passau, Bavaria and two somewhere in Lower Saxony) of people shot with a crossbow. The two in the north of the country were in a flat belonging to one of the Passau victims.

  20. The gunman then calmly walked up to his prone figure and emptied another three bullets into him,

    That doesn’t make sense, you might empty a magazine but emptying rounds?

  21. BnLiA: “At the moment police are baffled by a series of killings ( 3 in Passau, Bavaria and two somewhere in Lower Saxony) of people shot with a crossbow.”

    Did they find any apples at the scenes?

  22. Julia

    🙂

    After the first couple of goes, most people would have given up, but we all now what the Germans are like. He probably only stopped ‘cos he ran out of arrows…
    … or apples.

  23. To Hell with all the two-legged trash –it is the dog shooters that boil my piss.

    Thorpe should have got the shaft–as in dropped down it– for poor Rinka and were I Trump there would be a Federal law double quick to ensure any dog shooting copshite gets 20 in the general population of Club Fed.

  24. Speaking of crossbow murders, did you see there was an odd one on Anglesey recently? Man, retired university lecturer, shot whilst on his own roof adjusting his satellite dish. At 1 o’clock in the morning. Died some weeks later in hospital. Plod baffled.

  25. Richard: “Plod baffled.”

    That was the only thing that wasn’t ‘odd’ about that case!

    Plod seem to be going on the assumption that it was an accident and poachers mistook him for a deer…

  26. Probably some sort of escaped emu.

    I come here for the politics, I stay for the Rod Hull jokes.

    What has four legs and goes, “Sssshhhhhh”?
    Rod Hull’s television.
    Submitted by Rob P via Forum

    What were Rod Hull’s last words?
    “Emu, grab on to that fucking gutter!”

    What was the last thing to go through Rod Hull’s mind as he fell?
    His conservatory.

    What does Rod Hull and Emu have in common?
    Neither of them can fly.

    Did you hear about Rod Hull’s funeral?
    The reception was awful!

    Saint Peter to Rod Hull:
    “Just think, if you had cable you wouldn’t be here right now!”

    What does Rod Hull & River Phoenix have in common?
    They both had a fatal night on the tiles.

    What were Rod Hull’s last words?
    “Fly! You fucker, fly!”

    What was Rod Hull’s favorite musical?
    Fiddler On The Roof.

    What does Rod Hull do his washing with?
    Aerial and bounce.

    What’s the connection between Rod Hull and Freddie Mercury?
    They both died after fucking around with a TV!

    Was Rod death really an acident?
    Where were Big Bird and Frank Oz at the time?

    What have Rod Hull and the European Commission got in common?
    Neither have a hand in EMU anymore.

    Why doesn’t Emu need Viagra?
    Because now his Rod is permanently stiff.

    What’s the difference between Rod Hull’s roof and Vanessa Feltz?
    One’s very large, covered in slippery green slime and is difficult to get on top of; and the other’s Rod Hull’s roof.

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