Bad logic here

Sats are no better than teachers at predicting pupil’s GCSE and A-Level results, a study has found.

Researchers from King’s College London (KCL) say their findings call into question the benefits of standardised exams.

The study, published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, found teacher assessments at age 7, 11 and 14 were just as effective as using Sats results to predict pupils’ subsequent exam success.

We would rather hope that professionals who dealt with the children for a year would be able to predict results. So, why the surprise? The idea that teachers actually know anything?

11 comments on “Bad logic here

  1. Except the Sats aren’t there so much to test the pupils as to test the teachers. Teachers would prefer to be unaccountable. Hence their objection to Sats.

  2. Or to rephrase, teachers aren’t any better than sats at predicting future success.

  3. “The fact that exam scores correlate so highly with the teacher assessments raises questions about the value of the testing culture that characterises compulsory education in the UK.”

    Teacher assessments are accurate. But only because they have SATs to mark themselves against. Teachers are not reliable when their assessments are not marked against a standard. I can provide citations, if required.

    “Last month the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn announced that if elected, he would scrap Sats because primary school children are “unique” and should not have to go through “extreme pressure testing”. ”

    No junior student feels any pressure from SATs not imposed by adults. To them it is just a test, like any other test.

    In any case. I’m unique. You are unique. But when we have headaches, Panadol is equally effective. Being different does not mean that we cannot be treated on a common basis.

    Does Mr Corbyn oppose eyesight test for drivers licenses on the basis that “we are all unique”. Does he oppose welfare benefits being distributed on a common basis “because we are all unique”?

    He’s not even remotely opposed to testing. He’s only opposed to standards being assessed.

  4. If teacher assessments were all that was available those assessments would change, subject to the incentives on teachers.

  5. It’s not about the individual child. It’s about rating the school. Unless the teachers are going to all write down the numbers and get them published (and then you’re going to have heads leaning on teachers to adjust scores).

  6. “Teachers with access to SATs scores are able to predict future grades just as well as strangers with access to SATs scores.”

  7. I went through SATs. It was entirely unstressful as a pupil. Nothing rides on it (except maybe a bit of setting, which happens anyway). Not much extra work was required, and it was very useful practice for real exams anyway. Getting tested once a year is never excessive.

    So I’ve always been very sceptical of the teaching union’s crusade against it.

  8. When Mrs BiND was teaching reception she reckoned she could predict future outcomes within a week. Perhaps not to individual subject scores but certainly which ones had the brains and drive to do well.

    It had much to do with the parents she met as well. If little Johnny was dumped unceremoniously and the school had to teach them how to do stuff like tying shoe laces it was a fair bet little Johnny was going nowhere educationally.

  9. @Oblong May 19, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    What’s happened is msm, left and teachers are projecting their dislike onto children & parents to make the children anxious and stressed

    imo their actions are child abuse.

    I had tests/exams frequently at prep & grammar inc 11+ – nobody was worried, just did our best; I passed most, failed some.

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    @BiND

    These days shoe laces are way down predictors, toilet training and teeth brushing are biggies.

  10. Evaluations are subjective; tests are objective.

    That teachers do well – in general – doesn’t mean s#|+.

  11. In my comprehensive we did exams twice a year every year and if you did badly you were moved to a lower class
    Subject and overall class positions were published as well so you knew how well you had done against others

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