Whoo, boy, journos and numbers

The End Violence Against Women coalition (EVAW) cites a 23.1 per cent fall in the number of rape cases taken on by the CPS in the 12 months to 2017/18 from 3,671 to 2,822. This was despite a 16 per cent increase in police recorded rapes to 56,698.

It said this meant that women now have a four per cent chance of their case being heard in court compared with one in five in 2014.

3,648 trials in 2014. And I doubt that means a 20% chance….

25 comments on “Whoo, boy, journos and numbers

  1. “despite a 16 per cent increase in police recorded rapes to 56,698.”

    Rape allegations. Not rapes.

  2. “End Violence Against Women” – what proportion of these allegations could be described as ‘violent’, as opposed to ‘consensual sexual encounter later regretted’?

    I very much doubt that plausible accusations of violent rape are left uninvestigated.

  3. When the busies drop their “You will be believed” credo which would be no bad thing, the numbers will probably take a goodish tumble.

  4. The UK-wide coalition of women’s organisations alleges the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has secretly changed its policy so that “weak” cases are abandoned to boost prosecution “success” rates instead of them being pursued on merit.

    I dunno though. The CPS doesn’t have infinite resources, so shouldn’t they triage cases? Not much point in prosecuting someone where there’s little realistic chance of them being found guilty. Unless the process is the punishment.

    This included one victim who was raped at knifepoint and held prisoner for two days by her boyfriend, a man who was known by police to be violent.

    This sounds terrible, if true. OTOH, of course they’d cite this case instead of all the ones where a girl decides, in hindsight, that she was “raped” after the professional football player or three she was banging in a Travelodge decline to pursue a romantic relationship.

    OTOOH, I’m not unsympathetic, but if the knife-wielding rapist psycho boyfriend was known by the police to be violent, he was almost certainly known by his girlfriend to be violent before the alleged rape and kidnapping.

    Which doesn’t excuse his actions, but it would really help reduce the number of rape and domestic abuse cases if young women didn’t drop their knickers for tattooed thugs.

    We used to have parents, chaperones and rules for that sort of thing, until it became fashionable to regard 16 year old girls as the font of human wisdom. Feminism blames rape on the imaginary “Patriarchy”, but I bet women were a lot safer in the Britain of 1950, when we had an actual patriarchy.

  5. Andrew – That was when a group of men in a passing car started throwing stones at them whilst shouting homophobic abuse.

    Damn these groups of men of no description!

    Also, who carries stones on them during car journeys? Is this the latest cool car fad, instead of furry dice? Was it a gang of gay-hating geologists?

  6. @Steve

    Also this:

    “”We didn’t see them, but we heard laughter and slurs like “disgusting gays” as they drove away. They sounded like young men.””

  7. Steve, re your triage point, there’s a thing called the code for Crown Prosecutors which requires the CPS apply a two-stage test when considering whether to prosecute: 1) is there a realistic prospect of conviction, 2) is a prosecution in the public interest.

    If 1) is passed, then 2) usually follows as a matter of routine.

    In other words, the CPS has no choice but to drop weak cases.

  8. “In other words, the CPS has no choice but to drop weak cases.”

    Except when women who haven’t complained of being raped at all have drunken sex with footballers, then its of vital importance to prosecute to ‘send a message’ that having sex with drunk women is a BAD THING……………

  9. This included one victim who was raped at knifepoint and held prisoner for two days by her boyfriend, a man who was known by police to be violent.

    Known by police to be violent but not by the foolish jade whose boyfriend he was? The inference is that she was entirely aware that he was “a bit rough” and knowingly consented to a degree of such when possibly it may all have got a bit out of control.

  10. if the knife-wielding rapist psycho boyfriend was known by the police to be violent

    Presumably also he was known enough to at least have been charged and maybe even convicted. What’s the chances that he’s served a string of slap-on-the-wrist sentences?

    If the “End Violence Against Women coalition” wanted to do some good rather than just signal their virtue they could start by campaigning for longer sentences, that are actually served, for violent convicts.

  11. This sounds terrible, if true. OTOH, of course they’d cite this case instead of all the ones where a girl decides, in hindsight, that she was “raped” after the professional football player or three she was banging in a Travelodge decline to pursue a romantic relationship.

    In fairness to that particular girl she didn’t think it was rape. She complained about something being missing IIRC, the police got involved, and decided on her behalf she’d been raped. Women don’t have agency, you see.

  12. Thank you, m’Lud

    Andrew – Yeah, it’s a weird enough story that I believe it could have happened, though I would be equally unsurprised if it didn’t.

    If it’s yet another fake hate crime, the obvious motive would be to promote their play, which has now received free advertising in the BBC, ITV, Metro, Independent, etc.

    TMB – The depressing truth is, most women who hook up with violent men know they’re violent and get a thrill from it. Death Row inmates have no shortage of female fan mail.

    BiW – “they could start by campaigning for longer sentences, that are actually served, for violent convicts.”

    Yarp.

  13. Steve,

    “Which doesn’t excuse his actions, but it would really help reduce the number of rape and domestic abuse cases if young women didn’t drop their knickers for tattooed thugs.

    We used to have parents, chaperones and rules for that sort of thing, until it became fashionable to regard 16 year old girls as the font of human wisdom. Feminism blames rape on the imaginary “Patriarchy”, but I bet women were a lot safer in the Britain of 1950, when we had an actual patriarchy.”

    There’s this Which doesn’t excuse his actions, but it would really help reduce the number of rape and domestic abuse cases if young women didn’t drop their knickers for tattooed thugs.

    We used to have parents, chaperones and rules for that sort of thing, until it became fashionable to regard 16 year old girls as the font of human wisdom. Feminism blames rape on the imaginary “Patriarchy”, but I bet women were a lot safer in the Britain of 1950, when we had an actual patriarchy.”

    The past was mostly about protecting girls from losing their virginity or getting pregnant (which are basically related – men don’t want to raise another man’s children), in an era when this was of great importance. And it wasn’t a patriarchy. It was both parents behind this. Chaperones weren’t about protecting girls from men. They were about making sure that girls were not seen out alone. Because that could bring doubt on their reputation. They weren’t going to be shagging if the chaperone was around.

    One positive effect of this is that girls knew that it was crossing a line to go into a boy’s room, that even if you weren’t having sex with him, everyone thought you were. So, it wasn’t done unless you wanted to have sex with him.

  14. BoM4,

    Yep, and it was because parents knew exactly what the world was like and it wasn’t necessarily how they would like it be. When I was in Germany in the mid ’80s one of our SSgts was proud of his 17 year-old son going off gallivanting and looking for girls, but effectively locked up his 16 year-old daughter.

    When we pointed out the hypocrisy he basically said it was for her own good. He was fully supported by his wife, BTW, and perhaps therein lies part of the problem. It was always fathers who protected daughters and the breakdown of the family structure means there’s nobody to protect girls from themselves and teach them about boys.

  15. BoM4 – Yarp x10

    “And it wasn’t a patriarchy. It was both parents behind this.”

    It definitely wasn’t what Abraham, Shem or Noah would’ve understood as patriarchy, or even early Roman paterfamiliases (familii?) who had the power of life and death over their families and slaves.

    Compared to now, though… The dominant cultural paradigm for 1950’s fatherhood was the calm, sensible, pipe-smoking, respected head of the household. Today it’s the dopey sitcom dad.

    BTW I suspect the greatest historical forces for empowering ‘er indoors were monogamy and Christianity. Not really surprising that as we move away from both, women’s position is becoming more vulnerable. (The State can only do so much as substitute Hubby)

    Mr Ecks – I’m surprised the anonymous petrine pelters’ parting shot wasn’t “YABBA-DABBA-DOO!”

  16. ”…if young women didn’t drop their knickers for tattooed thugs.”

    Most young men seem to look like tatooed thugs nowadays so it may be difficult to tell the difference between actual thugs and those who have just been in the dressing up box. I can’t tell whether someone’s turned up to mend the fence or to rob the place.

  17. Leftist claims of violence are not to be believed. Radical left feminazi claims are even more outrageous.

    ‘Hillary to Sexual Assault Victims: “You Have The Right To Be Heard, You Have The Right To Be Believed”‘

    End Violence Against Women are FAKE victims.

  18. ‘Hillary to Sexual Assault Victims: “You Have The Right To Be Heard, You Have The Right To Be Believed”‘

    Unless its her husband?

  19. Interesting that the story about stone throwing from the car only included hearing laughter when originally posted on BBC, the homophobic slurs seemed to have been added later. Draw what conclusion you like from that.

    The case involving kidnapping etc the CPS/Police apparently based decision on messages (WhatsApp or somesuch) after their event that made it look more consensual. The claim was that she sent the messages to appease the guy, the problem is that CPS are using reasonable doubt criteria while the feminists don’t care about that

  20. Ahhhh just read the article that complained about CPS second guessing jury prejudices, so just another move in the move to remove juries from rape trails

  21. The UK-wide coalition of women’s organisations alleges the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has secretly changed its policy so that “weak” cases are abandoned to boost prosecution “success” rates instead of them being pursued on merit.

    Surely, if the CPS is to pursue cases on merit, it will inevitably pursue the stronger cases, not the weaker ones? What merit can a case have for the CPS, other than the likelihood of a conviction?

    This included one victim who was raped at knifepoint and held prisoner for two days by her boyfriend, a man who was known by police to be violent

    This can’t be the whole story, because if it was, the CPS would be prosecuting away merrily.

    If the “End Violence Against Women coalition” wanted to do some good rather than just signal their virtue they could start by campaigning for longer sentences, that are actually served, for violent convicts.

    Excellent point. I wonder why they do not do this?

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