These people are mad

Britain will today set a legally-binding target to cut greenhouse gases to “net zero” by 2050, Theresa May has announced.

The Government will set out legislation today to slash emissions despite warnings from Philip Hammond that meeting the target could cost £1trillion.

The move comes after the Government’s advisory Committee on Climate Change called for the new legal target to be brought in as soon as possible and to urgently ramp up action to cut emissions.

Hitting net zero – a 100 per cent cut in emissions – will mean an end to heating of homes with traditional gas boilers, more green electricity, and a switch from petrol and diesel cars to electric vehicles, walking and cycling.

Every single bit of the science that says it’s worth doing something about climate change also says that we shouldn’t do it by setting emissions targets. So, what do they do?

Sheesh.

57 comments on “These people are mad

  1. Theresa has destroyed the Conservative party, now she’s moved on to destroying what industrial base we have left and pitchforking the nation into energy poverty. She’s managed in 3 years what various powers since the Spanish Armada failed to do. Jezza won’t have to construct his socialist utopia, it’ll be waiting for him as he moves into No.10.

  2. It’s even worse than you say

    “the science” is only a limited pro warming subset of “all science” which does not include any opposing analysis or investigation.

    We need do nothing about CO2, full stop.

  3. “Hitting net zero – a 100 per cent cut in emissions – will mean an end to heating of homes with traditional gas boilers…”

    What are we supposed to burn instead? Tory ministers?

  4. The Government will set out legislation today to slash emissions despite warnings from Philip Hammond that meeting the target could cost £1trillion.

    Next time the Left moan about funding for the NHS ask them about this.

    BTW this is just the monetary cost. It will also completely wreck the economy, but hey ho, the Political Class will still graft their cash out of what remains.

  5. The pernicious cunt is working to ruin lives long after her own worthless existence ends, just for a tiny tiny bit of recognition. The pathology of these people would be fascinating if it wasn’t a clear and present danger to the populace.

  6. Is there no limit to the malevolent incompetence of that damn’ woman?

    Just fuck off you’re already a lame duck, fuck off right now.

    go begone fuck offffffff

  7. So houses will be heated by what? Electric heaters only?
    So when the power goes out, everyone just freezes?
    F’kin brilliant plan that is…

  8. There was some ghastly watermelon on the Today programme this morning who eventually complained about John Humphries suggesting that people would have to make “sacrifices”.

    She then had a good rant about how it’s not a sacrifice to have less plastic in the ocean and cleaner air and stuff.

    Cleaner air: quite possible, at least in this country. Fair enough.
    Less plastic in the ocean: distinctly debatable. I’d argue that, if we are going to cut emissions, we need to be as ruthlessly efficient as we can be with everything else. Plastic helps cut food waste, quite apart from the fact that plastic in the ocean is a third world issue, not UK…

    However, the thing that made me throw my breakfast at the radio was the claim that we would have cheaper public transport.

    WTF?

    Two things that don’t make sense but which are never ever called out in the MSM:
    1) The idea that all these money-grubbing bastards are out their doing things in an unnecessarily more expensive way, when they could do it cheaper and undercut their competition is arrant nonsense.
    2) The first chap (and as Tim N will tell us, it’s very very likely going to be a chap) who actually works out how to cost efficient renewable/green/zero emission energy generation at scale is going to make out in a very major way. For as long as this has not yet happened, that is our signal that greenery is going to cost us in an equally very major way. Basically this: https://xkcd.com/808/

  9. Seems May admires Gordon Brown’s scorched earth approach.

    This is May’s parting gift to her successor: a trillion-pound time-bomb of ecolunacy.

    Who will dare try to defuse it?
    Whosoever pulleth this sword…etc…

  10. Actually the really malevolent bastard is John Selwyn Gummer. He’s our Al Gore, with his dirty mitts in green energy pies whilst chairing rhe Climate Change Committee. May just finds it convenient to dance to his tune.

  11. So houses will be heated by what? Electric heaters only?
    So when the power goes out, everyone just freezes?
    F’kin brilliant plan that is…

    In that recent storm the US had last winter, if they had the sort of energy policy AOC and the loons demand tens of thousands, maybe more, would simply have frozen to death.

    Stop this utter lunacy before large numbers of people actually die. It is as simple as that.

  12. There’s a parallel with Merkel inviting in a million Arab twenty-something males at the end of her tenure. Something about these childless women making batshit crazy decisions when the future doesn’t affect them any more…

  13. Thing is its not going to happen. Because the moment it starts actually impacting ordinary people in a major practical way (at the moment the cost of renewables is just impacting people’s pockets, in a hidden kind of way – yes energy bills are rising, but so is everything, so its not obvious to people what the cause is) is the moment that there’s a LOT of votes to reverse such policies, and reversed they will be. Especially if the global temperatures take a nosedive over the next few decades, as I expect them to, based on solar activity.

  14. It’s ground source heat pumps, and communal heating chaps. At your own expense of course. It IS going to happen I think, there isn’t anyone you can vote for who doesn’t want to do this. Unless there is a massive campaign of civil disobedience, unlike anything we’ve ever seen in this country before. The pensioners are getting pretty upset about the TV license thing, with grandiose claims they will go to prison etc. We’ll see. Unlike the middle class virtue signallers of Extinction Rebellion who are sufficiently insulated by their wealth the whole point about the pensioners who are upset is that they can’t afford to take losses by definition.

  15. If she really insists on this nonsense, why not buy peridotite from Oman, grind it up and dump it on the continental shelf. The CO2 level of the water on the shelf is in constant equilibrium with the atmosphere, so it would rapidly absorb atmospheric CO2. Indeed she could do the world a good deed and dig up enough peridotite to remove all the CO2 put in the air since the industrial revolution. She could pay for it with the money at present wasted on worthless windmills and stupid solar panels and even stupider Middle Eastern wars. The true beauty of the scheme is that you could use the simple brute force of 19th century technology. I love to imagine the Greens reaction to the smoke belching steam shovels and locomotives.

    But since I’ve noticed that the only real effect of all this green-washing is to stop the use of our local coal, oil, gas and uranium and place us in the thrall of OPEC, one assumes that the absence of all this CO2 would mean the immediate onset of the coming ice age.

  16. Pedant-General,

    “The idea that all these money-grubbing bastards are out their doing things in an unnecessarily more expensive way, when they could do it cheaper and undercut their competition is arrant nonsense.”

    You just have to look at how many businesses use Skype, Jira, Slack, Teams. I miss the 90s when I’d go and do meetings with people face-to-face, claim a load of petrol and have a nice lunch on the company.

    I recently switched to bus travel over car. It wasn’t because I was being eco, or even the direct cost, but that they introduced contactless and an app for bus times. And removing those small bits of friction tips me towards taking the bus. In the whole big thing we call economics, which is partly cash but also time and ballache, the bus has become more economic. And I doubt any eco-warrior would have thought of that. They’d have advocated for more buses being put on. It took the rapacious capitalists at Stagecoach who probably just want less cost from cash handling and more money as it’s easier for people to ride.

  17. BoM4–And helping bringing on their uber-tyranny cashless fucking society as well. They win both ways.

    That bitch May must not be allowed to fuck off to a nice cosy retirement Hedgefund Hubby. She must be tried and jailed — if not publicly hanged.

  18. You are right, Jim. We have no authority over the future.

    Should Britain achieve 100 per cent cut in emissions, it will reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide by 0.08%. NOT EVEN MEASURABLE.

    ‘Every single bit of the science that says it’s worth doing something about climate change’

    Wut? And define ‘climate change.’ You used the term, now tell us what do you mean by it.

  19. I had reason a few days ago to look at my gas & electric bill. Electric heating costs four times as much as gas heating.
    The policy set by comfortably-off civil servants and academics to ban efficient gas boilers is “Let the proles freeze”.
    Heat pumps – how much electricity do they use? About as much as a refrigerator the size of your house if you are using the same technology.
    I propose that every person who votes “Green” should be required to disconnect from the grid, so their homes are powered only by their solar panels, walk or cycle to work and work in unheated offices or factories with no air-conditioning in summer.

  20. Mr Ecks,

    “BoM4–And helping bringing on their uber-tyranny cashless fucking society as well. They win both ways.”

    What? Cashless is great. You can still pay cash for the bus if you’re worried that the black helicopters are tracking you going to the shops in Swindon.

  21. and a switch from petrol and diesel cars to electric vehicles, walking and cycling.

    So a switch to a technology which is unfeasible on the scale they’re talking, or everyone can walk. Except those in charge of course: want to bet they still cruise around in petrol Range Rovers?

  22. @BoM4

    Wait until it’s a wet winter day and that bus is full of selfish bastards hacking and sneezing all over the place, or when somebody’s wet dog shakes itself in close confinement and see if you still feel the same about bus travel.

    I get the whole convenience of contactless and having an app tell me how long until the bus comes (they don’t have bus shelter displays here) – much less stressful than it used to be.

  23. My dear Brother on the M4, try using your contactless card when the grid goes down. We are coming closer to that point.

  24. OK. The Climate Change Age started in 1979, the year in which the Global Mean Temperature Anomaly Record was started to ‘prove’ global warming. Before 1979 any anomalies are declared ‘natural’ and ‘non-Manmade’. Good.

    But since 1979 climate change has been and is happening NOW and IS Manmade.

    Very well.

    So… describe the climate of the USA today; then describe it in 1975 before is started to change, so we can see the difference.

    Oh, you can’t?

    Why not? .

    Because ‘Climate’ and ‘Climate Change’ are abstracts, neither actually exists, they are an extrapolation of data. The data being weather, which is tangible, observable and exists.

    Looks out the window: beautiful climate today. Lords: play stops due to inclement climate. Plane’s cancelled due to bad climate at the arriving airport.

    So May et all plan to ‘stop’ an abstraction. At least Canute chose something tangible.

  25. Justin,

    “Wait until it’s a wet winter day and that bus is full of selfish bastards hacking and sneezing all over the place, or when somebody’s wet dog shakes itself in close confinement and see if you still feel the same about bus travel.”

    I’ve been doing it for close to a year now. I went through winter happily. I catch an early bus which is mostly other commuters, dogs are rare and plenty of seats.

    The reliability of the bus is staggeringly good compared to the trains. In about a year, I’ve had one bus not turn up. They’re generally within 5 minutes of the time (sometimes early by a few minutes). In the winter snow, they had to cancel services, but right to the last bus, they were figuring out routes to try and do something.

  26. The Other Bloke in Italy,

    “My dear Brother on the M4, try using your contactless card when the grid goes down. We are coming closer to that point.”

    Are you running a survivalist course?

  27. You’re missing the point, Tim.
    The purpose is not to lower emissions, it’s to distribute emissions permits to favoured groups.

  28. Every single bit of the science that says it’s worth doing something about climate change also says that we shouldn’t do it by setting emissions targets. So, what do they do?

    Sheesh.

    T. May and her cabal does something incredibly stupid.

    Boy, nobody could have seen that coming.

  29. @ Bloke on M4
    You aren’t in London. London buses have improved a bit since semi-privatisation but last time I used one (Christmas shopping, I was recovering from a torn muscle so I thought I’ll take the bus back to the station) it was still slower than walking it with a dodgy leg.

  30. So houses will be heated by what? Electric heaters only?
    So when the power goes out, everyone just freezes?

    TBF if my leccy goes off, so does the gas central heating as it needs pumps. So unless you have an open fire or a wood-burner …

    A study (I think the Science Museum had a hand in it) I saw calculated that to replace all cars just in the UK (disregarding HGV/LGVs) by electric vehicles would consume two years of current cobalt production for the necessary batteries (ditto for lithium etc). I’m sure Tim’s right about there being enough cobalt to last for millennia, but does anyone really imagine that we could dig it out and build that many batteries by 2050? And create an electric grid with 4-5x more capacity than the present one (which is what would be needed just for domestic heating).

    A good rule of thumb is that any politician demanding/promising that ‘something must be done’ two or three decades out is lying (even more than usual).

  31. “My dear Brother on the M4, try using your contactless card when the grid goes down. We are coming closer to that point.”

    When the readers are broken on the buses here they just let you on for free, which is a much better policy than cancelling the bus and an incentive to keep reliability rates high.

  32. @ Chris “A good rule of thumb is that any politician demanding/promising that ‘something must be done’ two or three decades out is lying (even more than usual).”

    Very true. But these empty virtue signalling lies have present day consequences. The closure of so many car factories making petrol and diesel engined cars (and their ICE) is directly linked to such a ‘promise’ to ban the sale of such cars in 10 years time.
    Those people are losing their jobs now. The electoral fight needs to be now.

  33. Anybody who advocates abolishing gas-powered domestic heating doesn’t understand physics, or is off their nut, but I repeat myself.
    Gas is “mined”, sent along a pipe, and then converted into heat.
    With electicity, the fuel is “mined”, converted into heat, converted into motion, converted into electricity, pushed along hundreds of miles of wire, then converted into heat again, with loses at every single point.
    Madness!

  34. You will have a supply of erratic ‘renewable’ energy with no alternative, and enormously increased demand because now everyone is heating their homes and trying to charge their cars with it. It will be a fucking shambles.

    Forget about ‘disobedience’, it will be way too late. It would take a decade to get over.

    The scary part is the herd mentality of the political class. What’s your option to vote against it?

  35. What are we supposed to burn instead? Tory ministers?

    Assuming you can find one – they’re going to be in very short supply

    Britain will today set a legally-binding target to cut greenhouse gases to “net zero” by 2050, Theresa May has announced.

    Theresa May is obviously trying to define her legacy – as the last ever Conservative prime minister.

    Hitting net zero – a 100 per cent cut in emissions – will mean an end to heating of homes

    Well, the torygraph got something right for a change!

  36. TBH, yes indeedy gas heating doesn’t work if there’s no leccy for the control circuits and whatever pump (it’s air here – forced air heating n cooling). But a battery backup supply for control electronics and a pump is a great deal more viable than a giant battery system for heating (or cooling).

  37. Some really impressive UPS can be bought cheaply, intended for computers. Running a boiler & pump off them is easy for a few hours.

    Beyond that, UK will go the favella route, everyone with their own (illegal) generator and cans of (illegal) diesel. Just the job for fire safety in high rise!
    And the diesel: well all those farm vehicles are not going to be battery powered, and neither are the HGV, so loads to go astray. They’ll make diesel illegal of course, just like cocaine, so only prime-minister candidates can have it 🙂

  38. @FrankSW June 12, 2019 at 8:55 am
    @Jack the dog June 12, 2019 at 9:14 am

    +1

    The Global Warming Religion is a loony ponzi scheme cult. They’re no different than flat earthers, scientology etc. Adherents are gullible illogical fools

    C4 News covered this – everyone they gave air time to said May’s plan was not enough; no GWPF or similar. Balance? Impartial?

    Remember C4 is, like BBC, state owned and receives TV Licence funding.

    I did mention a few weeks ago: her resignation was as leader not PM and she would continue her malevolent acts. Today is the 43rd May 2019

    Enemies & Lunatics running the Country

  39. The BBC’s biased guide to renewable energy

    …The hook for the segment was that Theresa May is said to be about to do something silly around climate, so as to leave a ‘legacy’ (heaven help us). However this was, perhaps surprisingly, the cue for some coverage of the problems that were expected as a result.

    We were told that nuclear was too expensive to help, of course, and although we are regularly told that renewables are now cheaper than fossil fuels, the renewables industry was given the opportunity to beg for more subsidy: ‘enabling the investor community to know that they will be able to get their returns’.

    We were told that that we’d need 40,000 shipping-container-sized batteries to power the UK for a single day. But there the segment moved swiftly on, avoiding the question of how many days storage we might need. The answer is probably a month or more…A rough calculation suggests that might cost something approaching £2trillion,* and of course they would need replacing every few years.

    In the political bubble, every major political party is hell-bent on driving us on to their centrally planned renewable future, regardless of the cost. In the media bubble, everyone is hell-bent on not asking awkward questions. The establishment are united in a belief that they are leading us to a promised land.

    A ponzi scheme Religious cult where the Gummers, Debens, Daveys etc enriched and the majority who don’t believe are financially punished

    iirc Global Warming came in at 12th in last EU survey of most important issues with Immigration, Terrorism & Economy top – politicians ignore.

    As each day passes my desire for a military coup led by EIIR increases.

  40. They should announce that they will reach the target by 2030, there’s no chance of meeting the 2050 deadline so they might as well get the extra virtue-signalling points by aiming to fix things sooner.

    This policy ushers in food rationing (eating less meat), restricting the free movement of people (less flights and less affordable personal transport) and killing poor people in inadequate housing. Sounds pretty much like the old Soviet Union to me, Grandpa Death looks like a far-right stooge compared to current soon to be ex-PM.

    I’m just glad I purchased my EV for tax reasons, it warmed my heart (as well as the planet) to learn that my hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has a higher CO2-equiv emissions overhead over it’s lifetime than the equivalent ICE-powered version.

  41. Colleague in work has been boasting about his new plug in hybrid and how little gas he’s used, when asked about higher vehicle and insurance payments went quiet and hasn’t said much since

  42. BniC – Yeah, those types really piss me off too.

    I’m actually in an uncommon employment situation which means my domestic power bills are tax deductible but my travel costs aren’t so my decision was based entirely on trying to minimise what I am forced to hand over to Little Miss Stardust (our glorious NZ PM) to waste.

    Economically, I’m worse off for buying an EV but I got to spend that money on what I wanted and I am giving less to the Govt to spend on what I don’t want them to spend it on and I am exactly the sort of person who is quite happy to cut my nose off to spite my face.

  43. Even the gods at the IPCC with their dodgy models admit that the impact of the UK totally de-carbonising would be so small as to be effectively zero. This then is simply a transfer of wealth from a lot of poor individuals to a cabal of crony capitalists and their lobbyists. As such it is exactly like the EU, which at least makes her consistent.

  44. They should announce that they will reach the target by 2030, there’s no chance of meeting the 2050 deadline so they might as well get the extra virtue-signalling points by aiming to fix things sooner.

    If you’re going to fail, fail fast. They should declare the target is the end of this year and when it hasn’t been met declare it can’t be and we’re going back to cheap power, because civilisation is energy intensive.

    Here’s a great Twitter thread from Roger Peilke Jr on the insanity of the targets. Admittedly its aimed at the world target, but its just as insane for UK.

  45. @ Bloke in Tejas
    When I was a child our anthracite stove heated the water without any electrically-powered pumps; some of the heat also leaked into the room where we did our homework; our gas fires elsewhere in the house didn’t need electricity, just a match.
    IF you want *new-fangled* central-heating systems you need electricity but Britain had villas with central heating systems 2000 years ago.

  46. If you’re going to fail, fail fast.

    Failing slowly enough is the bureaucrat’s key to impoverishing the people and not ending up hanged from a lamp post.

  47. 10-4, Pcar. People who have actually had kids and have struggled to get them to eat know that kids will eat burgers and sausages.

    In other words, government will be starving some kids. And will feel good about it. Much better they starve than eat the wrong thing.

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