Tax

Revealed: the HMRC scam most likely to trick you out of your savings

Tax, that’s what the scam’s called.

Hmm? Oh, you mean scamsters pretending they’re HMRC. Oh yes, that is different then. You’ll only have to pay them if you’re stupid, they can’t claim it as of right….

32 comments on “Tax

  1. I grudge tax but haven’t classed it as theft unless it is retrospective. I dare say I’ll give up this naivety someday.

    What about the Beeb’s plan for (effectively) a Poll Tax on the over-75s? If it were the government rather than the Beeb doing this the airwaves would be full of Beebsters shouting “Tory Scum!”.

    My own suggestion is that instead of this tax all Beebsters should be subject to a pay cut of whatever percent seems like a Jolly Good Idea.

  2. @ dearieme
    The media *is* full of luvvies shouting “Tory scum – it’s all the government’s fault”, with a few OAPs suggesting that the BBC cut some of the multi-£million salaries that they pay their “stars”

  3. Off topic but interesting from the Carbon Brief analysis of Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS)

    “[2016] UK CO2 emissions [were] some 36% below 1990 levels.”

    “[UK] CO2 emissions in 2016 were around 381MtCO2, Carbon Brief analysis suggests. Outside the 1920s general strikes, this would be the lowest level since 1894…”

    Stick that on your ‘eco-doomsday’ bonfire.

  4. To be fair, it is the government’s fault. They used to fund it, now they don’t.

    One thing I’m wondering is how many people just won’t get a license. I don’t watch much broadcast TV at all now and from what I can gather, most of my male friends don’t either. They get their “TV” from Netflix, Amazon, Sky.

    How many old boys will just go out and get a Chromecast instead?

  5. I want to watch:

    The football highlights at the weekend.

    A bit of rugby, but full matches not highlights.

    Maybe some cricket (but it’s so long since I watched any on the telly that maybe not).

    Occasional ‘tec shows.

    What’s the cheapest/best way to do it?

    If a tie-breaker is needed, I’d rather not pay a penny to the Beeb.

  6. Smart move on the part of Brown and Osborne to set the cat amongst the BBC pigeons. Can’t think of anything more likely to alienate the general public into supporting the end of the archaic license fee.

    Time the BBC earned its way in the world rather than picking the pockets of old folks.

    In a world of always on Internet and multiple providers of content (Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc), the BBC is looking exceedingly out of place in comparison to the rest of the world.

  7. The over 75s thing does illustrate the moral hazard of having people excused from paying taxes. The BBC is very popular with that demographic, and they are quite happy to enjoy ad-free tv while others are forced to pay increasing amounts for it. When expected to pay, they’re suddenly interested in what Gary Lineker costs.

    Likewise with people earning “too little” to pay tax. Why on earth wouldn’t they vote for people offering piles of free shit?

  8. “To be fair, it is the government’s fault. They used to fund it, now they don’t.”

    Yep, the people running the Beeb have no moral agency. When costs exceed income the only answer is their poll tax on the codgers. No choice, old boy. There Is No Alternative.

  9. @ Andrew C
    According to the BP Review of World Energy which is generally viewed as the most reliable ant trustworthy source of data, it was a 31% reduction and the 2016 figure was 410. Not that it matters. The reduction looks better if you compare 2017 with 1991 when it is 34%.
    Sadly this is swamped by an average single year’s increase in China’s CO2 output.

  10. Younger people with low incomes are expected to pay. Telling someone on a couple of grand a month pension that they have to pay out £12 a month apparently is brutal.

  11. @ Martin
    I agree. The bit I least like is the exemption for those getting Pension Credit (but not for poorer pensioners not entitled to Pension Credit).
    I currently expect to reach 75 and see no reason for poor people to subsidise my wife’s TV licence (she watches TV and I hardly ever do so she has and pays for the licence but Gordon Brown would hand me a free licence when I get to 75) since we can easily afford it.
    If the pension for over-75s with pension credit is inadequate, why not increase pension credit instead of a Freeby to people like (but a bit older than) me?

  12. “Telling someone .. . …… .. ….. . ….. ……. that they have to pay out £12 a month apparently is brutal.”

    It is brutal to force anyone to pay for someone else’s luxury and leisure; for some corporation’s business plan.

  13. It’s particularly irritating when you live in an area that has such poor reception that you have to have Sky.

  14. Why doesn’t the BBC offer its services on a commercial basis to the rest of the world? I know they do with some of their productions, but not the whole shooting match. That should raise vast amounts. What’s stopping them? (Serious question)

  15. Nautical Nick, same reason they don’t offer their “services” on a commercial basis to the UK. It would not raise vast amounts. The protection racket is much more lucrative.

  16. @dearieme June 13, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    What’s the cheapest/best way to do it?

    The Pirate Bay etc

  17. john77: that’s the nonsense you get when the benefits provider (the government) unloads benefits assessment to the service provider (the Beeb).
    It *was* the previous system that oldsters were in effect given money by the government to buy a TV license, now the government has wormed out of that arrangement and has told the Beeb to (in effect) give money to oldsters to buy a TV license.

    Ignoring the compulsion bit, it all boils down to Tim’s (and other’s) argument that the most effective system is giving people money to fund their spending, not by forcing providers to artificially reduce their prices for specific groups of customers. If society deems that oldsters should have TV licenses paid for them, society should pay for them through society’s pocket.

  18. Shut the fucking BBC/C4 and solve all the problems at once as well as be rid of their lying leftist crap for good.

  19. @Jim

    OT C4 News banging on about farm ammonia fumes from farm slurry causing 3,000 deaths pa and pits/tanks should be sealed.

    BS?

    Farms are in country, people in towns

  20. @ jgh
    Well, yes …
    Except that those who, like me and Excavator Man, need a Skybox to receive any TV at all have to pay the BBC to receive Sky. The difference is that after the year (or was it three years) ran out we no longer had to pay Sky to watch BBC. ITV never charged us a penny.
    The state should pay a decent pension and that should be it: of course I use my bus pass on the rare occasions when I catch a bus because my taxes pay for it but we’re wasting hundreds of £millions by giving blanket gifts to all pensioners instead of allocating them to those in need.

  21. I told my 80 yr old neighbour once I’d scrap the WFA and add £4/week onto the SRP, Pension Credit and the applicable amount of benefit claims instead. This would save the nation the cost of maintaining an IT system, payment system and a couple of hundred ‘public’ servants.
    He accused me of wanting him to die.
    You cannot reason with people who see changes in terms of free stuff being taken from them.

  22. Bongo,

    My father, if he hadn’t died long ago, would have been 106 by now. He once wrote to Margaret Thatcher on the subject of WFA, and suggested that instead of handing out money, OAPs should be issued with two sets of warm long johns so that they would be warm in any room of their homes. (The spare set was to allow for washing). It would have the added benefit of giving work to woollen mills and garment factories ‘oop North’, he wrote. l guess he hadn’t considered Far Eastern sweat shops.

    The answer letter (which he brandished to anyone he could collar on the subject) written by an aide said that the great lady was much taken by the idea.

  23. @Nautical Nick
    Broadcast rights can be a problem. If the Beeb didn’t write into the contract when a programme was produced that they could distribute it worldwide, then they would need to come to some financial arrangement if they intended to do so. I expect modern contracts will have such a clause, but I can’t be sure.

  24. @Mr Ecks June 13, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Shut the fucking BBC/C4 and solve all the problems at once as well as be rid of their lying leftist crap for good.

    C4? Sell it.

    BBC – reduce to BBC1 (which must be 1,2,4 combo), BBC R4 & World Service with rigorously enforced Reithian standards and funded by state, not license.

    BBC’s ~£4.5bn pa is crazy. BBC celebrated the “deal” they got: free over 75’s in exchange for annual RPI increase in licence tax. Now BBC reneges and pathetic Gov’t don’t respond with “OK, it’s now RPI – 15%”

    Do I watch BBC? Last few months only BBC QT via youtube.

  25. Tax and Spend

    Lovely:

    In response to Julie Lynn: Knife crime and punishment – a challenge for the next PM,

    Abominable_Yeoman wrote:

    The chair of the All-Parliamentary Group on tackling knife crime, Sarah Jones, will tell you it’s about education spending:

    Oh, and not enough table tennis tables.

    John Birch wrote:

    Being old I remember clearly when capital punishment was ended (which by far the majority were in favour of) and we were told quite clearly that life would mean life.
    A bit like Brexit means Brexit.

    In2minds wrote:

    ‘Yes, I know the prisons are full. Well, build some more then’ –

    Funny how we have money for HS2 but not for other things like prisons.

  26. Boris Johnson scored a big win in the first round of the Conservative Party leadership ballot, taking 114 votes, more than twice as many as second-placed Jeremy Hunt on 43. Michael Gove was third on 37.

    Don’t mention the i-word [or T-word]

    Elsewhere in this schizophrenic state spending and tax-cutting party BoJo and Gove took off with their respective tax giveaways: Gove committing to scrap VAT and Johnson promising to raise the threshold for higher rate tax without any balancing promises on reducing the size of the state.

    So there we have it – not just one but ten potential leaders who either think immigration is not a problem or don’t dare mention it. It is, as Sir Andrew Green, founding Chairman of Migration Watch, wrote in Conservative Home on Tuesday, astonishing.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-mention-the-i-word/

    .

    Michael Gove is now discovering that, for past recreation, an occasional flutter on the gee-gees would have been a lesser gamble than doing lines of the Class A variety. Gove’s past acquaintance with Charlie was a revelation which the incomparable Mark Steyn described thus: ‘For American readers, the notion of Michael Gove as a cokehead is roughly analogous to discovering Mike Pence spends his weekends in a gay leather bar.’

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/a-form-guide-to-the-tory-runners-and-riders/

    …..Boris Johnson scored a big win in the first round of the Conservative Party leadership ballot, taking 114 votes, more than twice as many as second-placed Jeremy Hunt on 43. Michael Gove was third on 37.

    Don’t mention the i-word [or T-word]

    Elsewhere in this schizophrenic state spending and tax-cutting party BoJo and Gove took off with their respective tax giveaways: Gove committing to scrap VAT and Johnson promising to raise the threshold for higher rate tax without any balancing promises on reducing the size of the state.

    So there we have it – not just one but ten potential leaders who either think immigration is not a problem or don’t dare mention it. It is, as Sir Andrew Green, founding Chairman of Migration Watch, wrote in Conservative Home on Tuesday, astonishing.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-mention-the-i-word/

    .

    Michael Gove is now discovering that, for past recreation, an occasional flutter on the gee-gees would have been a lesser gamble than doing lines of the Class A variety. Gove’s past acquaintance with Charlie was a revelation which the incomparable Mark Steyn described thus: ‘For American readers, the notion of Michael Gove as a cokehead is roughly analogous to discovering Mike Pence spends his weekends in a gay leather bar.’

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/a-form-guide-to-the-tory-runners-and-riders/

    +1
    …..

  27. …..

    Disclosure: I had/have some friends who smoke dope; at school, uni etc I said “No” – I mocked them, they mocked me. The “everyone” was doing it is a lie/excuse for being weak. In 50s now and only met one coke & one heroin; both have stopped.
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/a-form-guide-to-the-tory-runners-and-riders/

    BoJo for her, and me – best of a bad bunch of weasels and traitors
    Ruth D & MSM – “Scots hate him and Brexit”
    “A report commissioned by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) after the Brexit Referendum found that 36 per cent of SNP voters voted Leave.”
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/despite-my-doubts-its-boris-for-me/

    Sorry for double post above, no edit to fix available.

  28. ,@pcar
    Ever wondered why the ‘war on drugs’ is so ineffective?

    Middle class professionals are so busy taking coke and abusing drugs that they don’t realise the criminal enterprise they are supporting, or more likely don’t care

    Every government employee should be subject to a compulsory drug test regime with instant dismissal as a penalty for failure

    That should be extended to the arms length organisations like charidees quangoes etc

  29. Every government employee should be subject to a compulsory drug test regime with instant dismissal as a penalty for failure

    There. Fixed that for you.

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