Yes Polly

In jumping in with Boris Johnson, even moderate Tories have lost all credibility
Polly Toynbee

That’s why more people say they’ll vote for Boris than Grandpa Death.

What other form of credibility did you have in mind in a democracy?

17 comments on “Yes Polly

  1. One doesn’t even need to read further than the sub-heading:

    “Pro-Europeans, sensible pragmatists, people who had earned respect across parliament..”

    Respect for parliamentarians by the electorate is at an all time low.

  2. They only had respect from other troughers, probably in respect of their über-troughing feats.

  3. I didn’t know that Polly had a vote, as l didn’t think that she was a paid-up member with 3 month’s standing …

    Once again, the Parliamentary Tory Party have not given us a choice. In May’s case, we didn’t even get a vote. This time, only a Remainer could vote for Hunt, and they would be dismayed at his recent utterings. Leavers can only vote for Boris or abstain – the latter improving Hunt’s chances. Hence, no effective choice.

    So, is Boris the man for the job? We’re not voting for that. Instead, we are voting for the no real choice candidate.

  4. one of the main reasons to back ‘No-deal’ is to piss off the likes of Toynbee:

    ‘Northcliffe, asked on his deathbed for his Daily Mail winning formula, said: “I give my readers a daily hate.” That rightist hate, infecting all these titles, morphed into hate for the European Union, with Johnson’s notorious stint as Brussels correspondent for the Telegraph setting a fashion for Europhobic lies from the British press.’

    As opposed to that toxic Leftist hate we see daily from the likes of Toynbee, Coslett, Chakrabortty, Younge, Owen Jones, etc which because its directed against people we dislike or whom ‘fashionable opinion’ derides is acceptable?

    ‘Conservatives and their press will always get in line when it comes to facing the Labour enemy.’

    We’re faced with an opposition determined to destroy the last vestige of human freedom, committed to mass expropriation of private property and sever restrictions on freedom of movement and action. I’d call that an enemy that needs to be tackled. Indeed my main complaint is that the attitude is too timid. Where are the treason charges for Corbyn, Mcdonnell and Abbot and their activities in the 1980s which effectively constitute high treason? Are we repealing the HRA to enable potential treason trials for them? Are we looking at the activities of the likes of Momentum and investigating the links with Hizbollah, Hamas and Iran? Are we planning specific ‘Socialist taxes’ on prominent Labour figures and Green Party politicians whose idiocies are deterring required foreign investment? I think we know the answer…

    ‘In the land of unicorns, does it help them to have the latest alarming facts bolstering their cause? The Irish government warns that no deal is now very likely: alternatives to the backstop are leprechauns. Business investment has fallen to its lowest since the crash, with growth after no deal predicted at 0.3% for 2020. Some 62% of finance chiefs expect to cut back hiring after Brexit. The trade deficit has soared alarmingly in a year. Construction has had its worst plunge since the crash, manufacturing has fallen, with the service sector torpid. Lights are going out over the British economy – and we haven’t even left yet.’

    The actions of fifth columnists have consequences. The terms of the referendum were clear – a vote to Leave means leaving the EU. The inability to accomplish that is what is causing the disruption. Yes a ‘No deal’ break is likely to cause significant disruption but what is the alternative? Stay? Say to 17.4 million people that their votes are inherently meaningless – tie ourselves to the EU’s fading grandeur and the delusion of Guy Verhofstadt?Effectively we would hve liked to have stayed no doubt in a reformed EU but as Cameron’s negotiations prior to the referendum and the negotiations after the referendum prove there is no plan B. there is either a Federal Europe or ‘No deal’ – a binary choice. What I will say to burst her bubble is that the warnings over ‘no deal’ are of negligible import compared to the severe alarms that all business lobbies have raised at the prospect of a Corbyn government. Looking at the only real world examples of ‘Corbynomics’ (Caracas and Pyongyang) the alarm bells are clearly ringing. Nothing of that from Toynbee obviously…

    The delusional rantings of somebody who if euthanasia were legalised ought to be a prime candidate.

  5. Polly does seem to have a gift for writing unintentionally hilarious sentences.

  6. I wouldn’t mind a second referendum if the true alternatives were spelt out:

    1. Leave with no deal

    2. Apply to join and agree to

    a) Pay €350 million per week to the EU
    b) Adopt the euro
    c) Make Angela Merkel Commander of the British Armed Forces
    d) Accept 4 million Somali refugees from anywhere suggested by Mrs Merkel
    e) Accept any additional conditions suggested by Herr Macron

  7. I understand that this comment was probably tongue in cheek. But, the idea of a second referendum is absurd. The question that was asked was clear and unambiguous. The answer given, by a simple majority, was clear and unambiguous. For what reason does the question need to be asked again? Oh, the powers that be didn’t like the answer. So, if they ask the question again and still get the answer that they don’t like, what then? Oh, now I get it, we will keep on asking until the plebs slip up and vote the right way, just once will be enough, and then we will be able to pretend that remain won.

  8. So who does Polly recomend?
    The anti-semitic party that hates corporations and wants to stay in the EU?
    The Brexit party who’s purpose is unequivocal?
    The Greens who want to kill raptors and bats an route to impoverishing all?
    The SNP who want state socialism for Scotland?
    Plaid who want The same for Wales?
    I’m running out of Ideas!
    English defence league- they are internally consistent!
    Got it! She’s a Kipper!

  9. @Witchie July 9, 2019 at 11:53 am

    …is Boris the man for the job? We’re not voting for that. Instead, we are voting for the no real choice candidate.

    I hope so, but his biggest problem is he wants to be liked/loved thus avoids difficult or unpopular decisions preferring compromise or delay.

    Owen Patterson or Peter Liley would by my preference.

    twitter.com/OwenPaterson
    twitter.com/lilleypeter

    .
    @Van_Patten July 9, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    +1

    Thanks for filling Steve’s shoes

  10. Stonyground,

    Their calculation is that in the intervening 3.5 years lots of old Leave voters will have died and as we know they are all uneducated, which means they’re also racist bigots. So good riddance.

    Conversely, at the other end all those educated youngsters with degrees in lesbian dance theory will be able to vote. As we know having a degree makes you intelligent and wise and therefore a Remainer.

    As to those in the middle who voted Remain, they may be a few years older but those extra years don’t mean that any more scales will haven fallen from their eyes, so despite what they’ve witnessed they’ll still be Remainers.

    So by this reckoning there won’t be 17.4m Leave voters and taking their logic to its conclusion in about 50 years the country will be 100% Remain.

  11. Youtube

    ITV Debate – Jeremy Hunt vs Boris Johnson, 9 July

    Britain’s Next (if May resigns) Prime Minister: The ITV Debate
    “ITV presents a live head-to-head debate between the two contenders aiming to become prime minister – Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson – in front of a studio audience in Salford. Moderated by Julie Etchingham.”

    No comment. Reach your own conclusion.

  12. BiND

    Their calculation is flawed.

    The Leave electorate was far more varied than remainiacs believe. Leave was endorsed by one in three of Britain’s black and minority ethnic voters, large numbers of affluent conservatives, nearly half of 25-49-year olds, one in two women, four in ten people in London, and one in four graduates.

    We become on average 0.38 points more conservative each year of our lives, which adds up. Also, even today, after two years of relentless anti-Brexit campaigns, still only 56 per cent of 18-24-year olds feel that the vote to leave the EU was the ‘wrong decision’.

    A similar generational argument was popular during the 1950s, — that because of the expansion of the middle-class and graduates, the Labour Party was destined to dominate elections. In reality, the next ten elections produced only three Labour majorities. Social and political change does not always work out the way that many expect.

  13. Witchie,
    In the case of May’s election you would have had a choice of May or May – as the other choice withdrew.
    What is the point of a ballot of members when only one candidate remains?

  14. @Martin

    Would have been appropriate as that’s what USSR elections were like – with compulsory voting

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