Is there something wrong with the climate of Barcelona?

Global heating: London to have climate similar to Barcelona by 2050

Gotta admit I think it unlikely that a North Sea/Atlantic location will have a climate the same as a Mediterranean one. Temperature, possibly, but climate?

30 comments on “Is there something wrong with the climate of Barcelona?

  1. It’s in the calendar. Come 2050 when this doesn’t happen will they finally admit they got it wrong? Of course they won’t, see a friend’s post at Ritchie’s place reminding him the tipping point was predicted to be 10 years away in 1989, 2001, 2008.

  2. @Noel

    I spotted that post. Flew over the head of Spud of course.

    The Eco-Warriors are in a bit of a bind. Set the date of doom too far ahead and no-one will worry, set it too close and it will be shown as false earlier.

  3. Yep, our Mediterranean climate, predicted thirty years ago, was supposed to be here by now. Why would I believe an identical prediction, made by the same people who were wrong last time?

  4. Did you know that we had the coldest June day ever last month, in terms of the highest temperature recorded for any given day (T-Max)? And the 9th coldest June day on average,since records began in the 18th century? It was early in June, not exactly sure of the date. I do remember that in the first week of June I was lighting my wood stove every night, it felt that chilly. But of course not a peep of anything in the media. If it had been the hottest June day evah! of course there would be wall to wall coverage………….indeed there was when it got to 30 degrees one day at the very end of June.

  5. According to the met station at the marina just outside Barcelona where I keep my (utterly un-approved-by-the-spud) yacht, the temperature there at the moment is 24.9 Celcius – Barcelona, as a city, is usually a degree-or-so warmer. My outside thermometer here in the Severn Valley tells me it’s 19.0 Celcius.

    I know that London has its own microclimate that is a degree or two warmer than the civilised parts of England, but even so, expecting a temperature increase by 2050 of somewhere between five and seven degrees is, IMHO, “jumping the shark” somewhat.

  6. Jim,

    Yes, but as we are told on these occasions weather is not climate.

    However this observation seems to disappear when the hottest day is of the year (so far) is treated as proof positive that flipper will boil next year if we don’t all genuflect towards Gaia.

  7. You know it’s all bollocks by the simple fact that, according to these doomsayers, all the consequences are negative whereas geological history tells us that a warmer earth is a healthier, more abundant earth. The evidence of crop yields in recent years contradicts the frequently made suggestion that agricultural production will collapse.

  8. In fact the temp increase, if there is one, by the best methods is about 1 degree C per doubling, and there is enough fossil fuel to complete the current doubling from 270ppm to 540 and do part of another, so we are not looking at a realistic sensible change in the UK climate. Sorry, no Barcelona.

  9. I guarantee that 10, 15 years ago there were many articles saying the same, but with 2020 as the year.

  10. “The tipping point was predicted to be 10 years away in 1989, 2001, 2008”

    Tony Heller’s blog is the go-to place for old newsprint and media stories about the climate. There have been “Extreme” events going back 100 years or more, all over the world. But the same media who published those articles seem to have (conveniently) forgotten the archives….

    https://realclimatescience.com/

  11. Spain’s a stupid comparator for the UK, irrespective of the Med. Most of Spain’s at an altitude of 500m or more. Or in close proximity to that terrain. In the UK, 500m is what Brits call mountains & in Spain we call flat.. That has an enormous effect on climate. Much more than latitude. Why we have the Desierto de Tabernas
    If you wanted a comparator, where Tim lives on the Algarve would be far more suitable. Relatively flat with nothing much over 200m. Was in |Albufeira, last month. To me, like driving 800km north rather than 500km west. If the UK ends up with the climate of Southern Portugal, mostly you wouldn’t notice. Not so cold in winter & a tad warmer in summer. Quite pleasant. S’pose that’s why he lives there. (Totty’s not up to much, though. Better to bring your own.)..

  12. The main effect of global warming is it reduces night time temperatures rather than increasing day time temperatures.

    Simplified: during the day heat leaves, heat arrives at the Earth’s surface. Land and water heats up. Near surface heat lost back to Space during the day, is replaced by incoming heat energy so stays warm.

    At night heat is lost but not replaced, which is why nights are colder. If thanks to global warming, the land and sea store more heat energy acquired surging the day, this takes longer to dissipate during the night giving warmer nights.

    This is apparent in day time/night time temperature records which show no significant change to day-time peaks, but show significant reduction in night time lows.

    So the net effect is going to be slightly warmer nights and daytime temperatures much the same.

    Don’t tell the climate loonies but warmer nights means less central heating and less Satanic CO2 emissions…. plus better crop growth.

  13. Rising temperatures in Africa mean millions more migrants moving north to Europe every year. Presumably the Left are all in favour?

  14. Where will you be? It’s 150 km of coast after all…..

    Monchique is fun as a day out. Cape St Vincent. If you’re at the other end, try to get out to one of the ilhas. They’ll be busy, but can still be fun. You had Portuguese food before? A good pastel de natas is really pretty good (weirdly, very good ones in the Ikea store coffee shop). Where? With kids or whithout? More information please!

  15. Can certainly confirm the food. We had a very full schedule for a short visit, so the only time we dined on our own initiative was at a run-of-the-mill churrasqueira in Loulé. Superb feast with the bill coming to not much over 40€. And if you can impress a Brasilena from Bahia, you’re doing well. She’s an enthusiastic carnivore & inspired cook.

  16. Per Sandy Ocasio-Cortez, by 2050 we’ll have been dead for about 30 years.

    Per Al Gore, we are already dead.

    So who gives a fuck about London being Barcelona in 2050?

  17. Rising temperatures in Africa mean millions more migrants moving north to Europe every year.

    Actually, rising incomes in Africa mean millions more migrants moving north to Europe every year. They can now afford to pay the people smugglers.

  18. I’m in Albufeira. Entirely welcome to drop by for a beer, of course…..

    From where you are. If you fancy a day off the beach I do recommend Sagres and then Cape St Vincent. OK, just the SW corner of Europe but still. A bit offshore is where Nelson (and St Vincent, of course!) beat the French in …..1797? You can sorta wave to the vaguely right part of the ocean.

    From just west of where you are the national park starts. Nice walking perhaps for adults but not with sprogs I would think.

    The standard takeaway and a national dish is chicken piri piri. The stuff Nando’s do. But it originally comes from Guia – just outside Albufeira. Cheap and cheerful absolutely everywhere.

    Good grilled fish everywhere. Any roadside caff upwards it will be entirely fresh and actually, often enough, better the cheaper the joint. Mackerel, sea bream or sea bass (robalho, dourada), pretty much everywhere. Wrong time of year for really good sardines. 5 euros, 7 perhaps, fish, salad, potatoes. Often a glass of wine thrown in.

    You can definitely go up market. Shellfish and better fish. The Portuguese think that a bigger fish is worth more per kg of the fish. So, the more expensive the restaurant, the larger the fish. A major difference between cheap and expensive often being that in the cheap you’ll get two or three small fish, in the expensive one large, for same weight of fish.

    Standard rules in a restaurant is the “couvert”. The cover. This might be olvies, bread and butter, and will costs 1, maybe 2, euroes per head. Difficulkt to avoid so don’t bother.

    But if they layer the table with ham and cheese and stuff then any hand touches any part of that plate they’ll charge you for the lot. Can get real expensive real quick. Just say you don’t want it, they’ll take it away.

    A good Queijo de Azetonas is lovely. Should have been left to mature inside its skin until it’s thick liquid, which you then spoon out. Maybe 10 euro for a shared one if they have it in a good restaurant.

    Drink Vino Verde. Light on alcohol, petillant (not fizz like champagne, milder) and young wine. Most refreshing with lunch in hot weather.

    White port, bone dry if they have it, excellent aperitif.

    If you have a car then think about going to Silves. In August the castle there does a medieval reenactment thing. Proper jousting, excellent fun for kids. Evening thing.

    If you’re selfcatering supermarket fish counters are great. They’ll clean and sometimes even filet for you. Pork here is usually very good. “Black pork” is acorn fed stuff they make jamon iberico from – most excellent. The Spanish get the legs to make that ham from, everything else eaten locally where the pigs are grown, here in Portugal. Any supermarket butcher will prepare meat the way you want. Bone a leg of lamb, mince some pork or chicken or whatever, slibe the pork into thin steaks etc.

    Hmm, that’s enough to be going on with….

  19. … and if you can find some crème de cassis (or other tasty sorta 20 percent alcohol fruit liqueur) whack a teaspoonful or two into a wineglass, pour in the vinho verde and add a twist of lemon peel or a slice o lemon.

    That’s just a (French) kir, but I have grown to prefer the VV version to any purely French one.

  20. BiS – there is good totty in Portugal just as there is in Spain/Italy et al. I can only assume the uglies you have seen are Brit Expats !

  21. @Tim W

    Re Sea Bream

    Bought a couple of whole ones for 25p (95% off) yesterday. Tasty, but strange bones – usual spine & ribs, plus bones growing down from top and up from bottom.

    PS: heads binned.

  22. Don’t worry, Tom, La Famille Lud might trash the locality, but would never compromise your castle. Besides, by the sound of it, it’s above a noisy brothel.

    But thank you for the local advice, I’m glad I asked.

  23. A good pastel de nata is really pretty good

    Agreed. Weirdly (in a good way) they’ve appeared all over the UK. Our local Co-op (in a Chiltern village) has them and they’re 95% as good as you can get at Pastéis de Belém.

  24. “A bit offshore is where Nelson (and St Vincent, of course!) beat the French in …..1797?”
    Er…1797 was the Dagos not the French, Tim. Nelson was there, but the British commander was admiral Jervis. Of course, we’ve beaten the Spanish so many times it’s difficult to keep count.

  25. Yes, but Admiral John Jervis became 1st Earl St Vincent as a consequence (see also Churchill ==> Marlborough, etc.)

  26. “The intangible nature of reporting on climate change fails to adequately convey the urgency. It is hard to envisage how 2C of warming, or changes in average temperature by 2100, might impact on daily life.”

    80 fvcking years from now? Urgency?

    YGBFKM

    Fiona Harvey Environment correspondent should be locked up for her own protection.

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