Quite so

In a statement put before the court, Dr Mackereth said: “I appreciate that in the present political climate, somepeople, including some of those who believe they are transgender, may find my beliefs to be offensive.

“However, in a free society, this is not a good enough reason to censor my beliefs and coerce me to act contrary to my conscience.

True whatever we think of this:

“Moreover, as a doctor, my responsibility is always to act in good conscience in the best interest of the patients – not to adopt various fancies, prejudices, or delusions, to avoid offence at all cost.”

Dr Mackereth added that his inherent belief is that transgenderism is a “rebellion against God, which is both pointless and sinful”.

He said: “I am, of course, aware that there are men or women who believe they have been trapped in a wrong body, and I do not question the sincerity of their convictions.

“A small number of such people have always existed. Up until recently, such a belief was considered by medics to be delusional and a symptom of a medical disorder.

“It is only recently that transgenderism has been recognised as normal and such delusional beliefs accepted at face value. What is responsible for that change is political pressure, not scientific evidence.”

34 comments on “Quite so

  1. However, in a free society, this is not a good enough reason to censor my beliefs and coerce me to act contrary to my conscience

    Case thrown out, we are not in a free society.

  2. “First, do no harm”.

    What sort of crazy Patriarchal right-wing shit is that? This is 2019.

  3. Geo Orwell had Insoc give the doctrine “2+2=5 if the Party says it does”. That is the triumph of the subjectivist deceit that is the very core of socialist evil.

    Now left-scum are trying to peddle “men can become women and vice versa if they declare they have”. Utterly false and a declaration of subjectivist evil. To be enforced by British courts using the stench of the jailhouse. The scum of the left want their subjectivist creed written into British law. Once so established they hope to establish their lies everywhere using such a wedge. Denial of the 150 million murders of socialism will be amongst the first of their lies to follow.

    That is ALL it is about. The Left never has given a shite about any if the minorities it has used for cannon fodder over the years. Women/homos are going under the bus for example via the import of socialismos new election-fixing beardie pals (who have some very not nice ideas about both “victim” groups). This is because left-scum know there is more bang-for-the-buck in destroying Western Civilisation via the mass import of RoP than in more agitation from the two mostly mined out minorities mentioned.

  4. The other day I saw a portly bald man with a moustache walking in central London. He was dressed in a blouse, skirt and high heels. And was for all the world unconcerned. It was in the City, not in Soho.

    I tried not to do a double-take. I do not know if he considered himself transsexual, or merely a transvestite.

    But the moustache did rather make me think he wasn’t making much of an effort.

    I suppose it is possible he considers himself a transsexual and wishes to be addressed as Amanda.

    And I suppose I’d be prepared to call him Amanda if that is what he wants.

    But he was a man. And no amount of skirts or Amandas is going to change that.

  5. There have always been men who like to dress women but whether they wish to be a woman or what a man imagines a women is is an interesting question.
    Another thing that bothers me is how few tg women wish to qualify to compete against men in sport.
    As there would be few objections and they would be entirely validated ( which is the point I thought ) you would think there would be loads cheerfully losing again and again ?

  6. Mr Lud–“And I suppose I’d be prepared to call him Amanda if that is what he wants.”

    He can use whatever name he likes.

    But being obliged –by the fucking scummy law no less–to accept any nonsense about him actually being a woman is pure subjectivist socialist evil.

  7. There have always been men who like to dress women

    True, but they have tended to be gay. Ungay men prefer to undress women.

  8. A tad rich for someone who believes in a sky fairy to call others delusional.

    Just as I’d call someone who thinks they’re Boney, Napoleon, I don’t mind calling a six foot bearded bloke madam, if that is what he wants, but I would object to being obliged to believe that he was actually a woman.

  9. Jonathan: “…the end point of all this enforced ‘acceptance’ will be the attempted normalisation of paedophilia.”

    The groundwork’s already being prepared, have no dount.

  10. Doc – A tad rich for someone who believes in a sky fairy to call others delusional.

    I dunno. We crowdsource sanity, don’t we? So sanity is a social construct. How do we judge the efficacy of social constructs?

    By their fruits and all that. So Christianity has given us Western Civilisation, York Minster, Bach, Giotto, Dante, Aquinas, Stanley Unwin, and – most importantly in the material scheme of things – survival to Current Year, something that was heavily in doubt at various points in history.

    Transgenderism, otoh, has given us angry eunuchs.

  11. @Steve…

    It’s not the “angry eunuchs” that are the problem… It’s the ones with fully-functioning sets of M & 2V that demand, and are allowed by a delusional administration, to use facilities and institutions specifically reserved for women.

  12. I have a horrible feeling that the end point of all this enforced ‘acceptance’ will be the attempted normalisation of paedophilia.

    It’s hard to see where else the progressive crazy train can go, though I expect the next stop on the journey towards polymorphous perversity is plural marriage. After all, love is love, innit?

    Nota Benny for slippery slope deniers: transmania came rushing out of the gate as soon as gay marriage was legalised. Suddenly big multinational companies and mass media concerns were desperate to tell us how stunning and brave the masturbatory fetish lifestyle is.

    In 1994 you were sufficiently woke if you supported repealing Section 28. By 2004 it was civil partnerships. By 2014 it was gay weddings, at which point there wasn’t any juice left to squeeze from “traditional” homosexual and lesbian issues, because they’d won. For true believers, gay people were only useful as a temporary weapon against the traditional mores, norms and institutions of Western Civ.

    About 5 minutes later, we were all (including, to their surprise, lesbians who don’t want to interact with penises) being denounced as bigots for not believing that moustachioed rugby players hulking in ill-fitting frocks are women.

    Progressivism is the political and social equivalent of what termites do to a house. There’s no reasoning, bargaining or compromise with them.

  13. M’Lud: funny you should recount that, as just yesterday I saw, in our local supermarket, a guy with skirt & black tights on. He had hair down on his shoulders and 3 or so days of dark stubble in the current male fashion. Now that isn’t common round here – I rarely see TVs in this relatively un-woke part of the country.

    However, many years ago there was a guy at work who used to dress in women’s clothing, and I regularly saw him around. I remember one time, he ‘came out’ on our internal chat newsgroup & said it was compulsive behaviour rather than a free choice, and he couldn’t help it. I remember he never looked particularly happy.

  14. To be fair, most rugby players hiking in ill-fitting frocks don’t believe themselves to be women or expect anyone else to do so, but are doing it for the humour inherent in the visual incongruity. It’d probably be denounced as transphobic, although only from a safe distance one suspects.

  15. I don’t disagree, Steve, that Christianity has had positive benefits for Western Civilisation, but in the 21st Century you’d think that rational people would realise that there is no god.

  16. The debate isn’t about middle-aged men with moustaches being allowed to wander around London in a skirt.

    The debate is about the State using the Law to insist everyone addresses them as whatever imaginary pronoun they woke up fancying that morning. It is about the State enabling seriously dangerous people to fuck kids up for the rest of their lives, and again making criminals and outcasts of those who don’t want this to happen.

    The one thing this is NOT about is ‘tolerance’.

  17. Steve,

    “By their fruits and all that. So Christianity has given us Western Civilisation, York Minster, Bach, Giotto, Dante, Aquinas, Stanley Unwin, and – most importantly in the material scheme of things – survival to Current Year, something that was heavily in doubt at various points in history.”

    But the church used to be highly superstitious. It’s only with the reformation that we got the good stuff.

    Institutions have power and wealth and people see that as a way to do the things they want. like, Wernher von Braun was a member of the Nazi Party, but he was something like member #5000000. And my guess it was because if he wanted to keep tinkering with rockets, that’s what you did. If you were an 18th century composer and wanted to eat, you either wrote things saying how absolutely super an emperor was, or how great Baby Jesus, was because that’s where the money was.

    As Christianity lost its power, so it lost its creative power, leading to Christian rock.

  18. I must have been living under a rock all my life, as I don’t recall the term “Woke” being used in its present form until very recently. How much more of the Queens English is going to be hijacked by special interest groups?

  19. Steve

    ‘Listen… and understand. The trans lobby is out there. It can’t be bargained with, it can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel remorse, pity or fear. And it absolutely will not stop – ever, until you are dead’

  20. Interesting case, but I don’t think he’s persuading anyone with this line of argument.

    “If something like that happened in a church setting – people being pulled out of a pew, questioned, and then excommunicated – that would be seen as an outrageous example of religious intolerance and bigotry.”

  21. Baron – True.

    Doc – in the 21st Century you’d think that rational people would realise that there is no god.

    I don’t think the 21st century is more rational than the preceding centuries. We’re commenting on an article about a normal guy being persecuted for demonstrating insufficient enthusiasm towards sexual preverts in clown makeup, for example. If you plonked someone from 1966 down in Current Year London, he’d think he was in a science fiction dystopia

    God seems a lot more rational to me than believing, despite all evidence to the contrary, in equality or environmentalism, or any of the other PoMo cults that have replaced religion. GK Chesterton seems saner to me than Greta Thunberg.

    BoM4 – I think it’s hagiography (like when Madonna writes an Op Ed) to portray medieval man as ignorant and superstitious. In many ways they were surprisingly sophisticated and subtle thinkers.

    If you were an 18th century composer and wanted to eat, you either wrote things saying how absolutely super an emperor was, or how great Baby Jesus, was because that’s where the money was.

    To some extent, sure. But I think it’s a mistake to think of the Church as something external to society at large, as if it was simply imposed on a helpless public. It was as much an outgrowth of olden thymes society as any other institution.

    I reckon it’s fair to say that Jesus Christ is the central figure in Western history, the animating force behind it all. Civilisation needs a purpose, a narrative, a set of common values etc. If not Christ, who? Perhaps Mithras or Mohammed or Marx. But then it wouldn’t be the Western Civilisation we know.

    One of the reasons it’s difficult for Moderns to grok how people from 1914 and before thought is that people tended to be sincerely religious in them days.

  22. Steve,

    “I reckon it’s fair to say that Jesus Christ is the central figure in Western history, the animating force behind it all. Civilisation needs a purpose, a narrative, a set of common values etc. If not Christ, who? Perhaps Mithras or Mohammed or Marx. But then it wouldn’t be the Western Civilisation we know.”

    But it’s more about religions adapting to societies. What you think of as Christianity has been through multiple versions, with things added and removed over the centuries. It’s a lot like our host’s description of the press sucking up to the readers rather than leading.

    There are particular reasons why some places get different philosophy. The reformation period brought great opportunities. Exchanges of knowledge, growth in trade of various sorts, the rise in science. How do you get rich in Iraq? Well, the exports of Iraq are 99% petrochemicals. You get rich by taking the oilfields. That’s what ISIS is really about. So, the religion is going to be a religion that is more about conquest than co-operation.

  23. Still, clever of the Establishment here, painting opposition to the current trans lunacy as being akin to being a God-botherer. Four decades of saturated anti-Christian propaganda and the only thing people are going to see here is “religious loony”, sadly.

    The money shot would be if Tommy Robinson was against it.

    “Tommy Robinson is against mutilating kids because of some weird modern cult!!! Do you agree with him, you FAR-RIGHT NUTTER?!!”

  24. It would be interesting to know why they chose to ask him these questions in the first place, had he been making noises or did they ask everyone?

  25. “. . . in a free society, this is not a good enough reason to censor my beliefs and coerce me to act contrary to my conscience.”

    Doctor, there aren’t that many free societies around anymore. Even in my own, half the country is a no-go area for that sort of thing.

  26. I was in Hong Kong once during the bugry sevens (for personal reasons, don’t care about bugry myself), and saw a bunch of large hairy bearded six-footers dressed as Japanese schoolgirls.

    It wasn’t a sight for the faint of heart, not one I will, regrettably, ever forget.

  27. One of my neighbours, who was born in the village 80 years ago, tells me that when he was a teenager (so 1950s), there used to be a local bloke who would take the bus into town wearing a floral print dress. He deflected any possible aggression by being very funny and keeping the bus in stitches. He has no idea what he got up to, but there was never any trouble with the law (AFAIK transvestism has never been illegal).

    When I first move into the area (1970s) one local pub was run by two women, one of whom wore a tweed suit and smoked a pipe. They kept a really good cellar, and were very popular.

  28. The treatment delivered to the gentle Dr David Mackereth by his interrogator Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain.

    Repulsive performance by Morgan & Reid – they were the bigots, not the good Dr

    TS – yes, it’s real, I’ve spoken to “males” who from age <5 prayed God would make them be a girl while they slept night after night. In all other areas they were normal. Lots of them in Goth Biker community.

    imo the mental depression is caused by having to hide/suppress who you are from family & everyone for year after year.

    What I, as a freedom loving do no harm libertarian, object to is state compulsion to like, accept, favour etc.

  29. Bloke on M4 – one of the greatest heroes of WW2 was a member of the Nazis.
    Saved a lot of people, a while later those he saved were sending food and money to Germany to help support him.
    He saved around a quarter million people.

    Hard to hang labels on people when the very thing some would use to class them as evil is used to help.

  30. @ DocBud
    Rational people like Richard Dawkins whose claim that he knew that there was no God depended on the assumption that he himself was omniscient and therefore was God.
    After this was pointed out publically he backed down

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