Well, no, this is rather the purpose, isn’t it?

The victims of convicted billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein say the truth about his sordid activities must not be allowed to die with him.

As news spread about his suspected suicide in a Manhattan prison cell questions quickly began to be asked about what that means for both his victims and his alleged accomplices.

His victims have no appetite for letting his death bring to an end the long running inquiries into the sex-trafficking ring he had operated for so long with apparent immunity.

As there’s no accused there’s no trial and no investigation.

Well, OK, no major accused. Meaning that Ghislane should be looking over her shoulder….

46 comments on “Well, no, this is rather the purpose, isn’t it?

  1. Pish Tim.

    A dead accused is far more appealingly to the left.

    Ask Tom Watson.

    May not be a trial in court but so much easier for the left that they don’t have to bother with silly things like evidence and proof.

  2. Ask Tom Watson

    Or Jimmy Savile, whose pedo revelations conveniently stopped the media covering the relationship between coppers, social services and kebab pedo gangs.

    Not that Savile was murdered or anything, just that the confirmation he was a predatory pervert (which was an open secret in Beebland for decades) was conveniently timed. Since then, the MSM has largely managed to avoid asking any tough questions about the issue.

    Epstein very obviously was murdered, the only question is “whomst”. Like a bad pastiche of Agatha Christie, it’s hard to find a rich and powerful person who didn’t have a motive to get him whacked.

    Epstein, otoh, had little reason to kill himself. He was facing a lot of jail time, but as a multi-billionaire he would’ve had a cushty time in the clink, because prison guards and big Darnell like money. He’d already previously turned a stint in jail to a country club experience.

    Former US Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta is reported to have said that he was “told Epstein belonged to intelligence”.

    Nota Benny – this isn’t some toothless hillbilly railing about Bigfoot faking the Moon landings, this is one of the most senior officials in the United States apparently claiming that one or more intelligence services were implicated in a billionaire pedo sex trafficking operation.

    If true, that’s the biggest scoop since Deepthroat, just waiting to be turned into ratings dynamite and Pulitzer gold.

    But nobody in the media seems particularly interested in that line of enquiry. Strange! Maybe they’re worried that learning the truth might cause them to fall into a sudden depression followed by a surprise suicide.

  3. Wrongo Steve.

    Savile is likely innocent of all charges. As I tire of saying–once any light of scrutiny is shone on the claims against him those with the slightest remaining evidence dissolve 100%.

    He was the excuse for marx-fem hags Treason May and her sidekick Saunders to kick of man-hate fest Yewtree but that was just as easily done on the back of hysteria rather than truth.

    Now that does not mean all paedo claims are false. Our imported pals have centuries of pedigree. What I am saying is that each case MUST be examined on its merits. As the “Nick” fiasco over here shows–bullshit must be sorted from real evil. Real evil is there–if the Toxic Twosome Bill & Kill are involved that is like the old British Kitemark as a guarantee of Satan -on-the-job. But not everyone doing the victim dance is for real.

    Weinstein for example seems to –so far as I can gather–have hit on adult women when he shouldn’t–but cash was the only coercion and ADULT is the important word.

    Epstein and the assorted leftist pals do seem to have a case to answer for underage fiddling. Why have him killed otherwise. The BillyBoy connection just reeks.

    The sheer brazen nature of it is what grinds. Like they no longer bother to try hiding what is going on.

    Trump should hire a task for of non-American PIs for a final ultimate Deep State clear out.

    To the Death.

  4. No evidence against Savile, and many of the claims were just ludicrous. Savile raping small boys in his dressing room at TV centre?

    The Savile/Starr/DLT/Harris accusations are about throwing a load of uncool celebs under the bus. Rolf Harris would not be in jail if each accusation had been tried individually.

  5. Jon – Something like that. He’d have gotten a tougher prison in all likelihood, but it’s amazing how much more comfortable even Federal-pound-me-in-the-ass jail can be for inmates with cash. A correctional officer only makes about $60k a year.

    Ecks – best as I can tell, Jimmy Savile was a sexual predator, though not all of his alleged crimes happened.

    I assume Epstein was killed to stop him potentially cutting a plea bargain that would’ve made various billionaires, senior politicians and princes blush.

  6. Had we enough time Steve I would debate that with you—but it would be a VERY long debate indeed and not for a quiet–hopefully–Sunday.

  7. Steve,

    Thing is, even on rumour mills and black comedy areas of the internet, this was never said before his death. The most common jokes were about Savile shagging corpses in the mortuary at Stoke Mandeville. No gossip at all (unlike people like Spacey and Bryan Singer).

  8. Although Epstein was in a pretty pickle because of his activities, he was a 70 year old billionaire who had already served time and who could reasonably expect his money and connections (including those he had dirt on…mentioning no names) to either limit his exposure or at the very least, ensure any sentence was served at a cushy low risk offenders unit instead of some Supermax.

    His reputation was already mud because of his previous conviction, so why would he commit suicide?

    Nope. It’s all a bit too “convenient”, especially the timing. At the root of it “Cui bono?” / “Who Benefits?”

    Firstly it would seem to be those who had already been directly accused like Ghislaine Maxwell.

    With Epstein’s death, the chances of him attempting to plea bargain a reduced sentence by naming others directly involved in his sexual abuse is removed. Sure, she might still face charges based upon the accusations revealed in last weeks unsealed testimony, but without additional evidence that would appear to be an uphill battle.

    Secondly, there are those who have been tainted by implication, but not explicitly accused. This includes numerous luminaries such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Prince Andrew and Donald Trump.

    No doubt the conspiracy theorists of “The Clinton Death List”, “The Illuminati” and those still in the throes of Trump Derangement Syndrome will no doubt will say “There is no smoke without fire”, despite the fact that Trump has been very open about his interactions with Epstein.

    All-in-all, Epstein’s “suicide” is a bit too convenient for everyone but Epstein.

  9. Should it be established (I know) that Einstein was murdered, then surely the authorities would have far more latitude to trawl through his affairs in search of a suspect than they would have done were he the suspect.

  10. The TDS crowd are spaying jizz in all directions already with 30 year old paparazzi photos of Trump standing with Epstein–long before the latter was even suspected as a paedo.

    As for Bill & Kill–well that is one “conspiracy theory” I support with few reservations. 120 or so people dead–most with very clear lines of cause back to the Toxic Twosome.

    I’m a believer there.

  11. BoM4 – Yarp, but it turned out he had substantial “previous” with plod. Plus, he looked like a pedo. I’ve noticed that you usually can judge a book by its cover. I’m not even joking – machine learning will probably soon be able to pick out the “pedo smirk” from digital photos.

    There’s too many emotionally broken women with detailed, credible allegations for it to have been all completely made up – I don’t think it’s plausible all those girls are lying. Unlike the vaguer, sketchier or physically impossible claims against other slebs, there’s too much dirt on Jim for it to all be a fix.

  12. Ecks – it’s not even a conspiracy theory. That Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s private jet on multiple occasions is public record. Epstein was also a Clinton donor.

    Trump, it seems, was a guest on the Epstein plane one one occasion, didn’t try anything on with the girls (according to the highest profile alleged victim, Virginia Roberts), and never went back.

    I reckon Trump’s spidey senses would’ve been twitching that something wasn’t right about Epstein. Blackmail is probably a lot more common in elite circles than we think, because how else are you gonna gain leverage over billionaires, princes and presidents?

    It’s why the Chris Steele Russia fanfic (hopefully Mr Steele finds his way to Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison) made no sense. Trump is, by all accounts, a Boris Johnson style womanizer. That’s not an admirable thing, but it’s far removed from either pedo parties or paying Slavic hookers to wee on a hotel bed.

  13. As for Bill & Kill–well that is one “conspiracy theory” I support with few reservations. 120 or so people dead–most with very clear lines of cause back to the Toxic Twosome.

    The problem I have with the whole Clinton Death list thing is that while Bill is quite the smart cookie, Hillary is stupid, arrogant and incompetent at every level as has been proven time and again.

    It’s for that reason alone I remain dubious.

  14. “A correctional officer only makes about $60k a year.”

    And he’s vulnerable to the old “we know where you live; we know where your kids go to school”.

    What happens now to the warders who took bribes or gave in to threats: will they be suicided too?

  15. “There’s too many emotionally broken women with detailed, credible allegations for it to have been all completely made up – I don’t think it’s plausible all those girls are lying. Unlike the vaguer, sketchier or physically impossible claims against other slebs, there’s too much dirt on Jim for it to all be a fix.”

    These would be the women with “detailed” accounts of being sexually assaulted during the making of Top of the Pops at the BBC tv Centre 1964 to 1969.

    Except of course ToTP was made in Manchester up to the end of 1965 when it moved to London–but NEVER to the BBC tv Centre until the start of 1970 when it went to colour.

    They have lots of details about the BBC centre–not just the “long round corridors” cliché–because they have been on a visit or been briefed by others on line (RIPA should have been used to check who had been talking to who in these cases). They simply outsmarted their claims by setting the tall tales where they could not have happened.

    Then there is the debunked Duncroft capers, the Leeds Report cockrot, the BBC report cockrot, the other hosp reports cockrot, the Satanist cockrot and legions of individual pieces of twaddle that fall apart under the fork. Not to mention the “meta-data” as the CIA would call it.

    Sorry Steve but it is one paedo express that can only get airborne in the realms of media fantasy.

    That is it for today. I have enjoyed the absence of NiV giving me a break from having to reply at length to his million word ramblings. I don’t want to start on a mega-thread about Savile–its Sunday for Christ’ sake. Esp as it is 20 years too early for enough popular emotion to have faded to create a chance of what I’m saying even being considered for acceptance.

    Another time Highlander.

  16. What happens now to the warders who took bribes or gave in to threats: will they be suicided too?

    No. The worst that will happen is that they will be fired for not following procedure, incompetence. Their might be a criminal investigation, but I doubt it.

    Then after a few months they will get hired as “Head of Security” of the New York office of some faceless corporation not obviously connected to anyone involved with Epstein.

  17. ‘The victims of convicted billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein say the truth about his sordid activities must not be allowed to die with him.’

    The unnamed are in charge.

    I still haven’t figured out how he carried on such for decades, and only NOW it is revealed. These special, special victims were silent for decades.

    And what’s the deal with all these – alleged – kids’ parents? Or is that the answer?

  18. The thing with conspiracy theories is they have to be based on a scenario that is easy to keep secret. So pretend moon landings and US-govt-did-9/11 are out. Epstein death? Too soon with not enough info. It depends on how many people are involved and in what combination. It’s amazingly difficult to keep things secret, especially nowadays.

    Yeah, ok, I’m part of it.

  19. Great one, Galt!

    “Epstein death? Too soon with not enough info.”

    That doesn’t work, PJF, as the prequel had been foreshadowing his death for weeks. EVERYONE knew it was coming.

    Arkancide rules Clintonland.

  20. The late Anna Raccoon made very convincing arguments about Savile’s innocence – of the charges made, at least.

    And incidentally, so what if Prince A screwed a 17 year old girl? That’s legal here by over a year. Americans mustn’t assume their laws override everyone else’s. Besides, didn’t an American Rock’n’roller turn up in the UK with his 12 year old wife once in the 1950s?

  21. You have to laugh – the US establishment investigating “conspiracy theorists”, all the while in a moral panic, literally obsessed that Russia is behind everything bad that has happened to them in the past decade.

  22. So what if Prince A screwed a 17 year old girl? That’s legal here by over a year.

    True and if this was just some random hookup with our sleezy prince, who would be particularly surprised.

    The problem is that the allegation is that she was involved in “sex trafficking”, which is a much bigger issue.

    Given that the Metropolitan Police apparently rode roughshod over the law to persecute senior members of the Thatcher government and armed forces based upon the tales of a fantasist, I suspect that the establishment is keen to play down the issue entirely rather than try and spin the argument that the allegations weren’t criminal in nature.

  23. The most interesting thing about Epstein is not that he had lots of sex with underage girls nor that he passed them around the rich and famous, but that he went from high school maths teacher to exclusive fund manager to billionaires only, whose wealth he had power of attourney over and whose accounts were hidden in the Virgin Islands. No one remembers trading with him and only one billionaire, Les Wexner of Victoria’s Secret, has been identified. Was he fronting a blackmail operation? For money or power too? For himself or whoever set him up? I rather hope his demise was anticipated and his cell was a baited trap for third parties.

  24. The court documents back up Maxwell and say claims that she was a liar because she kept changing her story was a reasonable opinion.
    Regarding the Prince A story she first said she didn’t have sex with him and later changed it to paid and then forced. I’m assuming that in this case they are allowing forced and being paid to be used, like me saying I’m forced to fill out timesheets for projects though as opposed to real threats of violence etc.

  25. @Mr Ecks August 11, 2019 at 11:31 am

    The sheer brazen nature of it is what grinds. Like they no longer bother to try hiding what is going on.

    +1 Same as our MPs & MSM re Brexit

    Dead Men Tell No Tales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_VpaUGdy7U

    Clinton: Move along, nothing to see hear; Russians done it

    @John Galt

    Clinton Death List – Have a look at the Haiti chap who flew to USA to testify, checked into hotel, unpacked then shot himself

  26. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/business/jeffrey-epstein-finances.html#click=https://t.co/Gl0FR1lTJI
    Just a taster of the complex finances of Mr E!
    Note the released information on him wasgathered before his conviction in Florida in 2007then sealed under a non prosecution agreement recently overturned. He was again charged with sex crimes but he was being investigated in the Southern District of New York, preferred place for prosecution of financial and organised crime such as ElChapo, who was also held at the same facility, without incident, during his trial.

  27. The facts will still come out. There is a pending civil case where several of his alleged victims are seeking compensation. The civil case will still continue against his estate.

  28. A wordy millennial view. – Sorry for shouty caps, youtubers need to stop using them

    JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S DEATH STINKS: New article on @HumanEvents READ IT BEFORE THE CLINTONS TAKE IT DOWN

    Imo it’s horrendous that we can no longer trust politicians, police, msm and judiciary in UK & USA

  29. Imo it’s horrendous that we can no longer trust politicians, police, msm and judiciary in UK & USA

    Trusting a politician is like trusting not to screw over the electorate when in power is like trusting a crocodile not to eat you when it has its jaws around your head.

    As for the police, they used to be better, but now they are just a public hazard whose only real job is acting as local bully boys for the government.

    Actually tyranny would at least be honest about being tyranny.

  30. “Imo it’s horrendous that we can no longer trust politicians, police, msm and judiciary in UK & USA”

    No longer?

    Perhaps you are too young, Pcar. The 1960s was all about recognizing the flaws and weaknesses of the authorities.

  31. I do feel sorry for the Clintons. All these people connected to them who die unexpectedly; it must be very distressing for them.

  32. I do feel sorry for the Clintons. All these people connected to them who die unexpectedly; it must be very distressing for them.

    I’m not saying that I buy into the whole “Clinton Death List” thing, but at the very least they seem to have been fantastically unfortunate.

    If Hillary’s cunty attitude alone wasn’t enough to make you want to avoid them, your chances of becoming fatally unlucky do seem to improve dramatically.

    Maybe life insurance companies have special policies for those having any dealings with the Clinton crime organisation?

    I seem to recall the insurance companies having to rewrite their rules for beneficiaries because New York mafia boss Arnold Rothstein would take out insurance policies against those business associates he dealt with.

    If things worked fine he got paid by the associates, if things didn’t work out he had them murdered and got paid by the insurance company.

  33. @ John Galt
    That can only have been true if the USA had stupid rules – in the UK in the nineteenth century there were rules governing the issuance of life assurance policies and limiting who could benefit from a death (apparently there were hundreds, probably thousands, of policies on the life of Victoria because lawyers liked to specify an indisputable event as determining the end of a contract and her death was going to be something everyone noticed and no-one could dispute).
    Two of the reasons why London is the centre of world insurance are that Lloyds always pays out on genuine claims and that we have the “uberrima fidei” rule that stops scams like Rothstein’s.

  34. The BBC say that Epstein managed $1billion – that is not nearly enough to make him rich. When I was in my early 30s I managed more than $1billion for an insurance company (I was quite good at it) a colleague who was better initially moved into his wife’s council flat when they married before saving up enough to buy a house.
    Either the BBC have slipped a decimal point or Epstein found another way to make money.

  35. Either the BBC have slipped a decimal point or Epstein found another way to make money.

    Alternately, none of it was “really, real”, with Epstein just acting as a front for an intelligence agency, the “billions” were true, but mostly just a cover for a slush fund and to act as a honey trap for the morally dubious.

    As to which intelligence agency…three guesses…

  36. Fox News

    AG Barr raises questions about Jeffrey Epstein’s death
    “Former FBI agent Chad Jenkins weighs in on the apparent suicide of accused sexual abuser Jeffrey Epstein.”

    Matt Whitaker: Serious questions’ raised by Epstein’s death
    “Former Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker calls for ‘ultimate transparency’ after the prison death of Jeffrey Epstein”

    Repeating above
    Epstein wasn’t checked on for ‘several hours’ leading up to his death
    youtube.com/watch?v=Umisa_m3xyY

  37. John, it varies by state.

    My state allows a policy only if there is an “insurable interest.” To wit, you can’t buy a policy on a stranger.

    “Arnold Rothstein would take out insurance policies against those business associates he dealt with.”

    Depending on the business relationship, an insurable interest might exist.

  38. Depending on the business relationship, an insurable interest might exist.

    …right up to the point that he has them killed, although I suspect that Rothstein’s business associates mostly got killed in the execution of their own business rather than upon instruction from Rothstein.

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