33 comments on “Shows how stupid rebel Tory MPs are

  1. And the ex-Tory CuKs aren’t going to support a no confidence vote. Presumably because theyre scared of an election and being unemployed.

    Then there is the likes of Hoey who want Brexit delivered.

  2. Part of me hopes there is a Corbyn government.

    Writing 2,000+ years ago Thucydides made the point that wars happen every 30 years because those who will fight in them are too young to remember how awful they are. Pretty much the same with Socialist governments.

  3. “Dennis the Peasant

    And Ecks thinks you’re ready to buy Hong Kong.”

    If we buy Hong Kong, Taiwan and The Philippines that makes a set and we could start to build houses and hotels on them.

    I read that Trump is after Greenland. He’ll need Iceland and The Faroe Islands as well.

    Rumour has it Trump already holds the ‘Get Out of Jail free’ card so he has an advantage.

  4. If we buy Hong Kong, Taiwan and The Philippines that makes a set and we could start to build houses and hotels on them.

    You can’t even figure out how to build houses in Britain…

  5. @Andrew C
    Thucydides made the point that wars happen every 30 years because those who will fight in them are too young to remember how awful they are.

    I agree, but I’ve been trying and failing to find a source for the Thucydides (or maybe it was Herodotus?) – do you have one, perchance?

  6. A Clarke and Harman interim govenment though? Wouldn’t that (yeah forget all the betrayal, treason, etc for the moment and just think what’s likely, not dream ticket) command a majority in the house?

    On my dream ticket, Hong Kong was handed over to the wrong China. Should be reunited with the legitimate successor government. Which is in Taipei, not Beijing.

  7. I think that Dongguan John already has the Philippines, so landing on that would mean paying him rent.

  8. Ecks said we should take up a lease on HK for which HK would give the Chicoms double money to get them out from under for 99 years. But given reality and what DtP chooses to wrongly believe–because he is a thick and superficial character– there is no need for prizes for guessing which the gun oil drinker picked.

    Theo–surfaced again have you? Still not ashamed of the shower of shite you pay for –like the kicked old dog you are. My membership of UKIP lapsed with the demise of Batten. Who was entirely correct about the need to stop the lefts imported vote and strike force. Treason May fooled him–and the rest of us– that Brexit was a done deal–so he made a mistimed move. Both UKIP and TBP will have to reform as anti-Globo elite parties–or hopefully Party. But I’m glad your shower of shite are likely fatally wounded.

  9. A Clarke and Harman interim govenment though? Wouldn’t that (yeah forget all the betrayal, treason, etc for the moment and just think what’s likely, not dream ticket) command a majority in the house?

    Not as long as Corbyn has a hole in is arse as it would be tantamount to admitting that as the leader of HM’s loyal opposition he’s not fit to be PM.

    I see Swinson’s now talking about talking to Corbyn because she got played. The problem there is she has to go to her executive and might even have to go to the party for a vote as well as Corbyn needing something like 13 Tory rebels.

    As Stephen Bush puts it in the i about a Corbyn led GNU:

    As plans go to stop no-deal, a unity government is so farfetched, it would be less ridiculous than crowdfunding the invention of time travel and heading back to 2016 with a bunch of ballot boxes full of Remain votes.

  10. The thing is that Corbyn is not fit to be PM. Even less fit than bojo.

    Corbyn ain’t gonna get 13 Tories. But Clarke could get more labour remain votes, and a deputy Harman sufficient Tory remainers. The only question is do the hard Brexit numbers stack up behind BoJo the clown, compared to that? Answers on a postcard.

    And remember, democracy is also the MPs people voted for… As individuals…

  11. Boris must be dreaming of the opportunity to go into an election with all the other major parties in the HoC having hitched their wagons to the ‘Lets stay in the EU’ train. He can do a deal with the BP and wipe the floor with them.

  12. Just posturing in the hope Boris will do what they want, whether he has the balls to call their bluff remains to be seen, but if the ‘collaborators’ comment was anything to go by I’d think he would

  13. The treasonous shower of shite need to be broken by any means including treason arrests –and accidents on the way to the cells –that may be needed.

    The arrogance these shite MPs have displayed cries out to be removed from them.

  14. Tory MPs: 310 (Excl deputy Spkr)
    Labour: 245 (Excl 2 x Dep Spkr)
    Total: 555

    SF don’t vote: 7
    Speaker doesn’t count
    Other: 85

    Lets assume that all the “others” support Clarke/Harman

    To get a working majority they need 320 that’s an extra 235 votes or 43% of Labour and Tory vote to defy their whips on both the No Confidence vote in BoJo and the vote Confidence in Clarke/Harman.

    I think I could get that on a postcard.

    And what are they agreeing to do: Initially go for a A50 extension but then what? Referendum, revoke A50, try to negotiate a deal themselves or GE?

    The chances of herding all those cats to revoke is about zero. Parliament didn’t even vote for it in an indicative vote. Its also unlikely the EU would accept it as it would be a non serious revocation that would be pulled after the GE.

    It would take about 9 months to set up a referendum, if a minor miracle occurred and they could agree the question. And could we live with a caretaker government for that long and then follow up with the consequences which would have to be a GE, no matter what the vote?

    Negotiate themselves? In the unlikely event they could agree what a deal looked like it would have to be different to May’s deal unless Parliament has a major change of heart and Berkow allowed it. Why would the EU negotiate with them when it isn’t a serious government? They might as well sit down with Boris.

    Extend A5 and call a GE? It would mean most of those 235 would be turkeys voting for Christmas, especially the Tories and they risk a Tory/TBP super majority which would then waltz straight out on a no-deal mandate.

    As Jim says, Boris would just love that last scenario.

  15. Ecks said we should take up a lease on HK for which HK would give the Chicoms double money to get them out from under for 99 years.

    Oh, well that changes everything… The above is obviously a completely realistic solution to a complex political problem that meets the varied economic and political needs and desires of both sides in a fashion that renders all other options moot.

    Do you hear that sound? It’s the sound of millions of Hong Kongers and Chinese Communists slapping themselves on the forehead with the palm of their right hand while saying ‘Why didn’t I think of that?’

    Xi Jinping’s face must be flushed from embarrassment.

  16. The treasonous shower of shite need to be broken by any means including treason arrests –and accidents on the way to the cells –that may be needed.

    I’m guessing your middle name is either Yezhov or Yagoda.

  17. Hong Kong? –pull your dick out of your gob long enough to give us your ideas numbnut. Mine is an idea that might avoid tyranny/massacre for HK’s and might be a solution for Chicom scum–who have no problem with massacre but won’t want HKs financial heart to stop beating. I don’t know if its realistic or not. And you only think you do because you are a smug turd who values your own ego more precious than all else.

    As for the remainiacs–after 3 years of reading vile treasonous shite from arrogant middle class scum who–like you– think they a cut above and God’s gift to the Universe destined to rule over the lowly –by sham “democracy ” if they can but decree if they can’t–then yes I want to see the shite and the arrogance beaten out of them. Provocation I calls it.

    If you don’t like it–go back to sucking your Liberal dick.

  18. Fecks,

    The CCP isn’t pulling out of HK any time soon. Face, egg, etc. At the same time, they are kicking themselves for ever having taken the place on. It is a massive millstone. They can’t send the tanks in because the world’s media will be watching. They don’t give a shit economically because it is now an economic irrelevance (except as a giant Chinese laundry for mainland billionaires ill-gotten gains – why do you think the only shops left sell nothing but Rolexes on the Central to North Point strip, and nothing but baby milk in Fanling, and in some parts you now have quite a trek to a grocery store?)

    They can’t let it go because that fucks Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, the whole Greater China project.

    Would have been better for everyone if they had let it and could still whinge about it as a colonial blot.

  19. Well Biggie you sound like you have on the spot knowledge and I take your point about Tibet etc. It may be that HK is no longer so valuable for them economically. But if they keep it they will have to squelch it.

  20. BiG – I thought the Chinee just opened a 127 billion yuan, 35 mile super-bridge between HK, Macau and mainland China.

    Has Hong Kong become an economic irrelevance to China in the 10 years since they started construction, or was it always about politics?

  21. Also BiG – “The only question is do the hard Brexit numbers stack up behind BoJo the clown, compared to that? Answers on a postcard.”

    17.4 million of them.

    And if we had another referendum (terrible idea that that would be, for a number of reasons) it wouldn’t even be close. Leave would wipe the floor with Remain, because it’s no longer about the EU, it’s more like Wat Tyler’s revenge.

    Clarke won’t be PM, that’s just daft. And as BiND points out, if Parliament had the balls to go for Art 50 cancellation they’d have done it by now in one of their gay little indicative votes.

    Their entire strategy so far has been to passive-aggressively gaslight and delay in the hopes Brexiters would get sick of the whole thing, or something else would turn up.

    That didn’t work, hence the increasingly implausible and Heath-Robinsony deus ex remaina schemes being floated during the summer silly season (Prime Minister Clarke… come off it mate).

    My spidey senses tell me the moment of maximum danger to Brexit was Treeza’s final fling of the (non-)Withdrawal Agreement. There’s always potential for fuckery afoot (after all, it’s Boris), but realistically we’re probably headed for No (big) Deal and a bunch of hastily cobbled sticking plaster little agreements with the EU.

    Which will be cathartic. Imagine British politics not being consumed by Brexit every bloody day of the week, every week of the year. It’s easy if you try.

  22. “Their entire strategy so far has been to passive-aggressively gaslight and delay in the hopes Brexiters would get sick of the whole thing, or something else would turn up”

    I sometimes wonder how the Remainers think the toothpaste can be put back in the tube. The whole last 3 years cannot be dissolved in a Dallas ‘It was all a dream’ manner. Whats happened has happened and neither party can go back to how things were prior to the vote. Yet Remain have convinced themselves if they just concentrate hard enough they can transform reality into their own fantasy version………..incidentally, do we think trans people voted Remain?

  23. Steve,

    The bridge is a vanity project. Cars are allowed in very limited numbers into Hong Kong. Also HK, Macau and China use different vehicle licensing. You see occasional cars with both HK and Chinese plates, but I don’t recall ever seeing one with all 3.

    To drive from HK to Macau, you need to apply for permission. The quota is 300 cars per day, it’s only for people who live in HK and work in Macau.

    Very few people in either city even own cars, it’s not practical to have your own vehicle.

    There is no way there is enough demand for travel between the two to need a bridge.

  24. Steve,

    And if we had another referendum (terrible idea that that would be, for a number of reasons) it wouldn’t even be close. Leave would wipe the floor with Remain, because it’s no longer about the EU, it’s more like Wat Tyler’s revenge.

    The irony of discussing a GNU to usurp the will of the people whilst commemorating the Peterloo massacre is lost on these people.

  25. Re: HK

    The bridge is indeed a white elephant; for it to be any real use it would need a rail link. It is also rather complicated because HK & Macau drive on the other side of the road from the Mainland.

    The CCP will never give up its claim to Hong Kong because of the whole one China sacred unity blather, which it is very keen on. Plus it sees the HKMA Exchange Fund (current value a little over $500 billion) as a nice little nest egg it will get its hands on in 2047.

    The best solution would have been for the UK to build HK the capacity to supply itself with water and power and then offer China a tidy sum for the New Territories, while making it clear that HK/Kowloon was staying British, introducing democracy and ramping up the military there. Perhaps circa 1980, China might have accepted that, or it might be a pleasant fantasy. Doesn’t matter today.

    My solution would be for China to declare that it will maintain one country, two systems indefinitely, thus enshrining Hong Kong’s special status in perpetuity while keeping Mainland China sovereign. To sweeten the pill, HK could agree to pay an annual sum to the Mainland (at present its economy is entirely independent).

    I don’t think this will be acceptable to the CCP either. But I think it would work.

  26. HK Airport

    Aussie says “World sees HK and Taiwan as being China”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHC_1ILcpU

    Ignorant? Deluded?

    Why all the msm coverage while France’s Gilets Jaunes ignored?

    Conservative Gov’t fault for not making (how?) China obey the 1998 One Country, Two Nations Agreement

    Do MSM want UK to go to war with China?

  27. Aussie says “World sees HK and Taiwan as being China”

    He’d be right too, if he went on to say that the rightful government of China is currently based in Taiwan.

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