How many others feel this way?

The former chairman of the Remain campaign has dismissed calls for a second referendum, claiming that politicians should abide by the “democratic process” and “get on with it”.

Lord Rose of Monewden, who also previously served as executive chairman of Marks and Spencer, said that he believed the UK should have already left the European Union with an “agreed friendly divorce”.

Asked if he was now calling for another poll due to the increased prospect of no-deal, the former head of Britain Stronger in Europe said: “No, I’m not. I’m saying listen, we made our decision, it’s democratic decision, let’s go with it in the best possible way we can.

“I am a Remainer but I do believe in a democratic…

More importantly perhaps, how many others outside the Westminster Bubble think this way? We hear about how Leavers are dying off – but how many people are righteously pissed at Remoaners and their machinations?

25 comments on “How many others feel this way?

  1. Quite a lot. Get away from the mad twats on Twitter and meet normal people and quite a lot respect it was a democratic choice, for good or ill.

  2. I know two who were ardent remainers before the referendum and are now determined leavers having seen the antics of the establishment.

    There may be quite a lot of it about.

  3. The clear demonstration that the fonctionnaires in the Berlaymont will ignore the best interests of the people they claim to represent in furtherance of punishment beatings for any country that might contemplate leaving, hasn’t endeared them to many people, either.

  4. The old people who voted leave in 2016 voted remain in 1975. People learn as they grow up. For every leaver who died there is more than one remainer grows up.
    And that’s without the disgust at the dishonety of the prominent remainers.

  5. I am Pro European, and see no harm in another vote. How can it be demcratic to refuse another vote. Since when did democrats camapign against having votes. Plus Nigel Farage said in the run up to the result that if his side lost by a narrow margin, then he would demand another referendum.

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    What makes the book special is it is written by four different people, with some for and, some against, Brexit. They each write a chapter at a time. A short story predicting the future of Britain and Europe, after a No Deal Brexit. 
    The story looks at geo-politics, politics, war, history. And even has a some poems, and jokes. 
    Brexit From Four Views: By Fergus Brown, Alex Bath, Andrew Knife, and the Mute Swan King.

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  6. It requires a special form of cleverness to think that repeated voting until the correct result is delivered is more democratic rather than less.

    Mandy Rice Davies might be treated as a joke by a high court judge, but the majority of the population would consider her wiser

  7. I am Pro European, and see no harm in another vote. How can it be demcratic to refuse another vote.

    I don’t want another vote because i don’t trust you to accept it. Evidence? You didn’t accept the first one.

    The Lame Dumps Brexit line now seems to be that they demand a people’s vote but will ignore it if it goes the wrong way. So their commitment to democracy is wafer-thin.

    I know two who were ardent remainers before the referendum and are now determined leavers having seen the antics of the establishment.

    I wasn’t an ardent Remainer – I didn’t vote in the referendum – but had I done, I would have voted to Remain.

    After 3 years of scheming, lying, patronising and shrieking from the establishment and the sheer cuntishness of the EU itself I am full-bore Brexit.

    BITFO

  8. I don’t know what a “no deal” Brexit will look like but the lurid, hysterical and increasingly desperate scare stories, which make the hysteria over the Euro 20 years ago seem positively Socratic, were the icing on the icing on the icing on the cake.

    If you want to stay, what is it you think you would be voting to stay in? We have the touchy feely “all sophisticated Europeans” together guff and if you believe this well I can’t help you. But if there is somebody who is sceptical and asks about the catastrophe of the euro, the manifest divisions between the member nations (who so clearly act in their own self interest) the manifestly anti democratic nature of the wannabe europe wide institutions, etc etc. What do you say?

  9. “Plus Nigel Farage said in the run up to the result that if his side lost by a narrow margin, then he would demand another referendum. ”
    He said he would continue to campaign to leave. The immediate second referendum is your own naughty addition. Don’t you think he might have had to wait a decade or so? And also if it ever happened it would be over your objections.
    Of course, you are free to campaign to return to the EU. But we haven’t even left yet – you might get to like it.

  10. Anecdote I know but…

    Was having a beer with our finance director when he was in town a few months back. He said “I voted Remain but the way they’ve (the EU) behaved I’d be in a good mind to vote Leave in a second referendum”.

  11. I am Pro European, and see no harm in another vote. How can it be demcratic to refuse another vote.

    I’ve wanted us to leave the EU since before it was called “The EU.” I also see no harm in another vote.

    The precedent seems to be to give 40 or so years between votes. So yes, let’s have another vote on rejoining the EU. In 2060.

  12. “I am Pro European, and see no harm in another vote. How can it be democratic to refuse another vote.”

    Did you ask the Welsh and Scots to have another vote about devolution?

  13. “Susan Scottish”–Jeez–shows you the vast scope of Remainiac imagination doesn’t it. Like the way they keep doing the same corrupt deceitful shit over and over. Their first bogus march gets a number upgrade of x3 from their MSM pals. So their next bogus match has to be boosted to x4 their numbers.Not that I ever believed they got 200-250 thou pre-boost despite Scumtown being remain Central and most of the bastards just having to get on a bus/tube.

    Their first bogus petition attracts 4 million electronic ghosts so they repeat that scam with 6 million. The first wheelbarrow of Project Fear compost is laughed out of town and proves to be nonsense. So they order up a hundred more –each one full of more and more outlandish laughter-promoting claims.

    And never mind your remainiac crap book recommends “Susan”–we have seen and heard enough remain cockrot to last a lifetime. Just get your brain around the idea we are leaving there will be no revote etc. Also the whole tone of your comment has an air of being written by a weak-minded childish mental case. It is a sense of character I have felt in a lot of remainiac written trash–as if a single troll or small group of trolls are writing lots of remain shite in the same feeble loon-trying-and-failing-to-be-reasonable style. Odd.

  14. “I am Pro European, and see no harm in another vote. How can it be democratic to refuse another vote.”

    So, you are against democracy, but will act like you care to appeal to other people to accept your corruption of it.

    “How can it be democratic to refuse another vote.”

    How can it be democratic to refuse the vote that has already been taken ???

  15. “agreed friendly divorce”

    The former Mrs Gamecock was all for an “agreed friendly divorce.”

    “Give me all your stuff, and we can be friendly.”

  16. @ Gamecock
    But Barnier wants stuff that wasn’t even part of the marriage. Gibraltar is not in the EU and he wants us to hand it over to Spain.
    The former Mrs Gamecock needs to learn some lessons from Brussels before her next divorce.

  17. “how many people are righteously pissed at Remoaners and their machinations?”

    One of my wife’s friends has swapped to Leave after watching three years of shenanigans. It’s been particularly MPs who have pissed her off.

  18. Those who say they would vote Leave in a second referendum are missing the point of that referendum, there will be no Leave.

    It will be Brino or Revoke A50. The establishment won’t take any risks next time.

  19. @Chris Miller August 21, 2019 at 9:38 am

    The clear demonstration that the fonctionnaires in the Berlaymont will ignore the best interests of the people they claim to represent in furtherance of punishment beatings for any country that might contemplate leaving, hasn’t endeared them to many people, either.

    +1

    Plus the undemocratic behaviour of Lords and MPs in UK Parliament – they’ve ripped off their cloaks and exposed their true Stygian personas

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    @MC August 21, 2019 at 10:26 am

    I don’t want another vote because i don’t trust you to accept it. Evidence? You didn’t accept the first one.

    Yep. Liberal Democrat (satire?) leader Jo Swinson wants Ref 2, but if it’s Leave says “I/we won’t respect it”

  20. @All

    Have a look at Lisbon Treaty – 2020 articles. Be scared, very scared

    Even WikiP is (was?) reasonably accurate

  21. @BiND

    Yep, that’s the choice Ref 2 campaign want:

    May’s Surrender agreement
    or
    Remain

    Looks soon to be

    May’s Surrender agreement minus NI Backstop
    or
    Remain

    Even Farage has said remain is better than May’s Surrender agreement

    My hope is EU country leaders become so p1ssed off at this disruption they veto another extension.

  22. “but how many people are righteously pissed at Remoaners and their machinations?”

    Most of the EU by now…..
    The phrase “bloody well get on with it” comes to mind.

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