Seems reasonable

Donald Trump has fired his national security adviser, John Bolton, in a pair of tweets in which he laid bare searing internal divisions within his inner circle, saying he had “disagreed strongly” with his top aide.

If you don’t agree with the adviser then you need a new adviser.

31 comments on “Seems reasonable

  1. A result of the ongoing tension between ‘Bomb them all’ Bolton and Trump’s belief that the American public are fed up paying the lion’s share to defend the West.

  2. Was it even really defending the West?

    The middle east is an unruly mess. That doesn’t serve the West or the US alone…

  3. Bolton is a warmongering sack of shite.

    If anyone has seen the Tom Cruse SF film–“Edge of Tomorrow” it begins with Cruse playing a sleazy military PR turd who is sent to the front in a D-Day against alien scum holding Europe ( an apt metaphor). and who finds the experience a very unpleasant surprise.

    Bolton would benefit from such an experience. Fire him and when he leaves the White House office pull the old “This way out” switcheroo beloved of Hollywood and so Bolton finds himself with a rifle, helmet etc in any handy shithole shoot up that he has helped start, An experience of what his antics result in would do him a power of good–if he survives. Otherwise not so much.

  4. If you don’t agree with the adviser then you need a new adviser.

    A policy that worked a treat for Saddam Hussein.

    The problem with Trump is that it’s really starting to show that he isn’t willing to get stuck in. He looked so weak when he declined to respond to the shooting down of that drone by Iran. Someone is going to call his bluff.

    That preposterous bombing of “ISIS island” looks almost like an attempt to look tough after the departure of Bolton.

  5. “The problem with Trump is that it’s really starting to show that he isn’t willing to get stuck in.”

    I’d be quite happy with a Head of State that didn’t want to go poking wasps nests with Cruise missiles all the time.

  6. PJF, there are other ways to respond, and it is said (of course hard to confirm) that the US launched a cyber-attack in response and severely disrupted Iranian radar and control systems in the area.

    It is also possible that Trump realised that the drone had inadvertently crossed into Iranian airspace (we don’t know if it did or not, the US says no, the Iranians say yes but as our host is wont to say, they would say that wouldn’t they) and so leave an overt response out at this time.

    Bolton had also been arguing (or so it is said) for a deliberate series of bombing attacks on Iranian assets inside Iran, and I think that alone would be a good reason to ease him out of the job.

  7. PJF – starting Iraq War 2: Persian Boogaloo over a spy drone being shot down would be retarded.

    Trump was elected, in large part, because of his insistence that the US should not continue to haemorrhage blood and money in the Middle East. He’s more or less kept that promise so far, with just enough theatrical bellicosity to keep his enemies unsure. Though the war in Afghanistan is still ongoing – 18 years after they were supposed to become a liberal democracy.

    (A bigly preelection win for Trump would be if he can declare victory and bring the troops home – the Pentagon has been and will fight him every step on that tho)

    Bolton was brought on board to give the Norks something to worry about, and it seems to have worked. Trump and his cabinet have obviously since tired of the evil moustache consistently demanding atomic megadeath as the solution to every problem, and the complete failure of the coup attempt in Venezuela has Mr B’s hirsute fingerprints all over it.

    So farewell then, John Bolton.

    Like David Banner, I imagine he’ll now travel from town to town, getting to know local people and their personalities and their problems, then calling in airstrikes.

  8. Iraq and Afghanistan War cost: $2.4 trillion dollars, 35,000 Americans killed or maimed, ~250,000 civilians killed

    “Yeah, let’s do that again, but against a country with twice Iraq’s population lol” isn’t making America great again.

  9. A bigly preelection win for Trump would be if he can declare victory and bring the troops home

    What constitutes victory in Afghanistan?

    I reckon getting the fuck out of there and leaving them to it would do.

  10. The problem with Trump is that it’s really starting to show that he isn’t willing to get stuck in. He looked so weak when he declined to respond to the shooting down of that drone by Iran. Someone is going to call his bluff.

    I’d expect the above from someone like Newmania…

    Just who the fuck is going to call ‘his bluff’?

    Iran? Iran’s economy is a shambles thanks to the USA’s sanctions and the Mullahs are more unpopular with the citizenry than ever.

    China? The USA is winning the trade war, businesses are fleeing China, and their economy has slowed dramatically.

    Russia? Not until they can build a submarine that doesn’t explode on its own… but that’s just a guess.

    Donald Trump – who really is Hitler – is the first US president in recent memory to not think that lobbing ordinance and military personnel into a foreign land was the be-all and end-all of foreign policy. That’s why John Bolton is toast.

    All Bolton has ever wanted to do it expend blood and treasure on half-assed military adventures in the Middle East. It’s been tried and it doesn’t work and Bolton doesn’t get it because he never learns.

    If that’s your idea of being ‘weak’, then give it to me.

    You know what weak is? Macron (with EU/German blessings) sucking up to Iran in hopes of froggy businesses being able to make a buck. If he wasn’t such a pussy you’d mistake him for a German, what with all the stroking of the Mullahs.

  11. A bigly preelection win for Trump would be if he can declare victory and bring the troops home.

    You’re not paying attention, Steve. Trump has never talked about victory in Afghanistan. What he has said from Day One is that there is no such thing as “victory” in Afghanistan, and therefore it is well past time to get out.

    The irony of all this is that Trump – who really is Hitler – is far less bloodthirsty than either Obama or Hillary.

  12. Dennis – I read your message, and felt a patriotic tear coming to my eye, then a mighty bald eagle with a star spangled bandana soared majestically overhead dropping free Big Macs and AR-15’s and Hulk Hogan sent me a text message saying “HELL YEAH, BROTHER!”

    USA! USA! USA!

  13. I’d expect the above from someone like Newmania…

    Unlike myself, someone like Newmania will be completely happy with Trump sitting on his hands in the face of provocations. Which just goes to show that you’re a fucking idiot, Dennis.

  14. Amazed that so many have adopted the left’s simplistic cartoon summary of Bolton.

    I suspect it was the Taliban-at-Camp-David that caused the fatal rift.

    Bolton: What the fuck are you doing inviting the Taliban to Camp David? They’re the fucking Taliban and will do what the Taliban always does. Plus, anyway, they’re just underlings who work for the Pakistanis. Do this and you’ll look like a cunt.

    Trump: I’m just the best negotiator.

    (sound of American soldier murdered stage left)

    Bolton: See, you look like a cunt.

    Trump: You’re fired!

  15. PJF – The Left, eh? I was Adam Antly standing and delivering against the Iraq and Afghan wars before it was cool. Sending our boys to die in foreign ditches for nothing isn’t a right wing value.

    Re: jaw jaw. How is that any different from inviting La Femme Nikita Krushchev or Yasser Arafat to Camp David (and no, Yank security won’t let them bring weapons, c’mon bud)

    The US has no vital interests in goatfuckistan. Its only national interest lies in keeping out of foreign shitholes, and keeping foreign shithole dwellers out of America. If John Bolton is desperate to kill Iranian children or whatever he should book himself a flight to Tehran and see what happens.

  16. Trump: I fired him

    Bolton: I resigned

    Trump should have been more diplomatic instead of causing a he did/I did spat

    “John and I had a long chat and concluded…. I thank him for… and wish him well…” Even the old “Spend more time with family”

    @PJF September 11, 2019 at 10:06 am

    No. Trump looked good when he cancelled zero death drone revenge attack when he was told how many non-combatants would be killed

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    @Dennis September 11, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    +1

    @September 11, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    +1

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  17. ‘He looked so weak when he declined to respond to the shooting down of that drone’

    That’s why we use DRONES, dumbasses.

  18. (and no, Yank security won’t let them bring weapons, c’mon bud)

    Steve, I realise my creative writing skills are well short of yours but there was nothing to suggest I thought the Talis would be sitting there with AK47s. The reference to the murdered American soldier was the American soldier murdered by the Taliban in Afghanistan – according to the Whitehouse as a negotiating tactic.

    How is that any different from inviting La Femme Nikita Krushchev or Yasser Arafat to Camp David

    In terms of Arafat, no different (except Arafat was an actual leader rather than an underling). Should never have happened because it was well known he was disingenuous.

    I was Adam Antly standing and delivering against the Iraq and Afghan wars before it was cool.

    Oh, it was always “cool”, Steve. The usual rabid left suspects had company in the anti-American, anti-Blair right. Both sets hid behind “our boys dying in foreign ditches for nothing” when really they were just being fucking anti. The Taliban were removed from power in Afghanistan because they were harbouring and conspiring with some people who did something; and Saddam was removed from power in Iraq because sanctions were soon to end and the warmongering evil bastard was sitting on a sea of oil (money). You may disagree with these policies but they weren’t “for nothing”.

    The US has no vital interests in goatfuckistan.

    It has the same vital interest it had from the start. Preventing organised terror groups becoming established enough to create events like 9/11. Even more so now that such groups get closer to nukes.

    …keeping foreign shithole dwellers out of America.

    Sadly, never going to happen. They’re there and Dennis is doing their building maintenance.

    If John Bolton is desperate to kill Iranian children…

    FFS

  19. Trump looked good when he cancelled zero death drone revenge attack when he was told how many non-combatants would be killed

    Nothing was said about non-combatants. Three sites were lined up for destruction and Trump asked how many Iranians would die. Incredibly, at 150, he balked. You and Tucker Carlson may think he looked good but allies and enemies alike thought he looked pathetic.

  20. “He looked so weak when he declined to respond to the shooting down of that drone”

    That’s why we use DRONES, dumbasses.

    You use $222M DRONES so your enemies can shoot them down without reprisal? Why, that’s just SHEER FUCKING GENIUS.

  21. @PJF September 11, 2019 at 11:59 pm

    You use $222M DRONES so your enemies can shoot them down without reprisal?

    You what? A Drone costs More than an F35 A/B/C?

    Trump didn’t want to kill 150 Iranis in revenge for a zero death drone downing – probably spending more on attack than drone cost – and he’s weak?

    You’re mad.

    Drones are used as they’re relatively cheap and expendable

  22. You what? A Drone costs More than an F35 A/B/C?

    The RQ-4 Global Hawk isn’t something you pick up at Argos, Pcar. Unit cost with R&D (i.e. total program cost divided by units) is $222.7M. Not all drones are designed to be cheap and expendable.

    Trump didn’t want to kill 150 Iranis in revenge for a zero death drone downing – probably spending more on attack than drone cost – and he’s weak?

    Yes, a leader not willing to kill enemy personnel at a serious provocation is weak. If this was Obama you’d all be yelling handwringer and appeaser.

  23. “The US has no vital interests in goatfuckistan.”

    Except the fact that goatfuckistan is sitting on a wealth of resources other than oil, each of which would be easily accessible to anyone *except* the US, of which most of them decidedly non-friendly to the US, if goatfuckistan wasn’t kept in a constant war-torn state.

    Incidentally…. I distinctly remember the Icon of American Freedom “Rambo” having an episode against the Evil Russians teaming up with a group of plucky goatfuckers modelled straight to a group of real “local insurgents helping the Great Fight Against the Commies” led by a certain mr. Bin Laden.
    Maybe you’ve heard of him in the past decades…..

  24. PJF –

    The reference to the murdered American soldier was the American soldier murdered by the Taliban in Afghanistan

    Ah.

    The usual rabid left suspects had company in the anti-American, anti-Blair right. Both sets hid behind “our boys dying in foreign ditches for nothing” when really they were just being fucking anti.

    Oh sure. The way I remember it, at the start it was pretty much only the extreme Left and disenfranchised Right who saw how dishonest and disastrous the Iraq War would be.

    It was only after the body bags started rolling in that Al Beebra and co. got on the bandwagon.

    The Taliban were removed from power in Afghanistan because they were harbouring and conspiring with some people who did something;

    Bin Laden died years ago in Pakistan and we’re still occupying Afghanistan for… what?

    and Saddam was removed from power in Iraq because sanctions were soon to end and the warmongering evil bastard was sitting on a sea of oil (money).

    So?

    You may disagree with these policies but they weren’t “for nothing”.

    Absolutely nothing for average Yanks and Brits, who got nothing out of it except missing limbs, dead sons, trillions in debt, and more kebabs swarming to their homelands.

    It has the same vital interest it had from the start. Preventing organised terror groups becoming established enough to create events like 9/11. Even more so now that such groups get closer to nukes.

    Imagine thinking the ME wars prevented terrorism tho.

    Sadly, never going to happen. They’re there and Dennis is doing their building maintenance.

    It’s definitely not going to happen if the US continues bleeding out in the Middle East. Wrong fight entirely.

    Grikalth – Except the fact that goatfuckistan is sitting on a wealth of resources other than oil, each of which would be easily accessible to anyone *except* the US, of which most of them decidedly non-friendly to the US, if goatfuckistan wasn’t kept in a constant war-torn state.

    Imma call bullshit on that as a rational reason for acting. $2.4 Tn to stop Russia and China getting Afghan scandium or whatever?

    Makes no sense.

  25. Bolton is a NeoCon warmonger so good riddance to him.

    The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the removal of Gaddafi and the attempted removal of Assad have all been disasters for the US and UK as well as the people of those countries. Anyone who advocates for more of the same should be considered an enemy.

  26. “You use $222M DRONES so your enemies can shoot them down without reprisal? Why, that’s just SHEER FUCKING GENIUS.”

    We’ve got it. We could buy thousands of them if we chose to.

  27. @PJF

    The $222m cost shocked me; seems it is mostly down to Obama admin era cock-ups and the subsequent low production numbers.

    “We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die,” Trump said, adding: “150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.”

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