Hmm, well, yes

Labour is “ripping apart the fabric of education”, independent school leaders have claimed, after John McDonnell warned that the party would treat them “like any other business”.

In a move that threatens the closure of private schools across the country, the shadow chancellor yesterday confirmed that a Labour government would impose more than £1.6bn in taxes on them.

It comes after The Daily Telegraph obtained a leaked shadow treasury document, revealing that Labour is planning a £1.64bn raid on private schools by imposing VAT on fees.

Treated like any other business?

OK. Operate like any other business then.

None of this crap about sharing facilities, guiding the local state schools. Sod the bursaries. As we don’t get charitable tax treatment so we’re not going to act like charities.

It’s possible – not likely, but possible – that the nett would be on the schools’ side.

18 comments on “Hmm, well, yes

  1. If they’re going to start doing things like this, in the interests of fairness (I know the Labour Party don’t do fair) they should make school fees tax deductible.

  2. Julia,

    That’s the point. If they make it more expensive then there’ll be fewer children from the lower orders polluting the well for their own children. They don’t want them being exposed to real people with dangerous views, only champagne socialists.

  3. Im all for this sort of thing, provided it’s done across the board.

    For example, unions are just another business. They should be treated as such under the law.

    So they’d be liable for losses to others from (at least some major) strikes. They’d not be allowed to conspire with other unions to the detriment of the public weal. And they’d be subject to monopoly law.

  4. The monopoly law issue was clarified when the closed shop was banned.

    Its a while since Guido looked in to it (as did I here) but we need to have another clampdown on government financing unions by giving reps time off etc.

    The map of local authority Pilgrims waste extends across Britain:

    The worst offenders nationally are Birmingham City Council with £1,124,924 and Leeds City Council with £502,095;
    In the North East, Sunderland – £258,697;
    In the North West, Bolton – £390,481;
    In Scotland, City of Edinburgh – £244,576;
    In the East Midlands, Leicester City Council – £494,544;
    In the South West, Bristol City Council – £134,931;
    In the East of England, Suffolk County Council – £189,741;
    In London, Lambeth Borough Council – £281,000;
    In the South East, Brighton and Hove City Council – £262,016.

  5. They need to make it clear to McNasty that fists in faces will be the result of any of his Marxist crap. That is the only way with Marxist scum.

    We should all be making it clear to the scum that if they should slime their way in–they won’t win outright now–then big trouble for them will be the only result of attempts at Marxist tyranny.

    History shows only one way of stopping leftist evil and it isn’t via lawdogs or asking evil scum to be nice.

  6. Won’t happen. What McDonnell is forgetting is that Labour is a middle class party now, especially down South. The old days of horny handed sons of toil is long gone. In those days closing down the private school wasn’t going to affect Labour voters one jot. Nowadays its a bit different…….the liberal middle classes are well known for their ability to say one thing in public and act entirely differently in private, so closing down the local private schools will hit plenty of labour voting types. Will be interesting to see how far they let McDonnell go with it before the idea gets deep-sixed.

  7. What McDonnell is forgetting is that Labour is a middle class party now, especially down South

    How many Momentum members have successfully reproduced?

  8. I’d be in favour of private schools being treated as a business. But I’d be in favour of all schools being treated as a business.

  9. Public schools could go back to their famously basic days and absorb the cost. All might benefit.

    McDonnell’s 1.6 billion will buy him some additional apparatchiks, though not many, and he’ll find all he’s done is create extra demand for government largesse.

    What’s his plan to improve sink schools?

  10. Imposing VAT in school fees is a raid on parents, not a raid on schools. To raid the schools they’d have to impose VAT on school *supplies*, and they’d have some very tight contortions to go through to avoid imposing VAT on school supplies to all schools.
    The business rates stuff, though, I’m in two minds about. I’ve been part of a campaign to get NDR abolished on public toilets (selfishly as we’re a parish council that have taken them over), and when I was a school governor, the rates was one of our largest bills. But it was brushed under the carpet as we were an LEA school and the rates we paid the council sort-a recycled back into our funding.
    The problem is, though, if you insist all X must pay buisiness rates, you’ll have people complaining: oh, but we didn’t mean sub(X)! And the more exeptions you put in the messyer it all gets. Do we pay rates because we’re a library? Or or we part-exempt because we have public toilets? Or is that exemption null because you have to go through the cafe to get to them?

  11. So you impose this tax, which will have an incidence on parents, causing some number to send their kids to state schools instead of private schools. How many people need to do this before that £1.6bn is eaten up in the cost of providing schooling?

  12. State education costs –

    c£4,700 per primary school pupil
    c£6,200 per secondary pupil.

    There are around 615,000 children in private education and this is skewed towards secondary age.

  13. Steve,

    How many Momentum members have successfully reproduced?

    O was going to say none, I hope. But then I thought about it a bit more. Most Momentum and their fellow travellers appear to be the offspring of the smug middle class Labour types, or are smug middle class Labour types.

    Perhaps their children would rebel against them and so maybe the answer should be lots? Its a tough call, get it wrong and their even more of the blighters.

  14. “State education costs –

    c£4,700 per primary school pupil
    c£6,200 per secondary pupil.”

    Could be. But the last time I saw such figures quoted somebody pointed out that they omitted all the overheads of bumf-shufflers in Whitehall and the Councils, and they omitted the capital expenditure on schools. Do you happen to know whether your figures share that deficiency?

  15. It has nothing to with tax receipts – it is just another weapon with which to destroy any alternative to the state-controlled schools. Because, if the hoi polloi can see that the children of the well-off are getting a better education they might want one too. Most of the beneficial innovations in state schools in my lifetime are copies of innovations that have succeeded in some (occasionnaly all) Public Schools/Prep Schools/Private-sector Kindergartens.
    A state monopoly makes it easier to brainwash a whole generation. “he who controls the present controls the future” (or words to that effect, it’s years since I read 1984)

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