The rule of law is important

So too is that democracy thing. As is the primacy of Parliament:

Carloway said the situation was very fluid and if Johnson did try to thwart or sidestep the act, this would become clearer after midnight on 19 October. If he breaks his promises to the court, it could issue an interdict, or injunction, ordering Johnson to send the extension request, or it could do so, using unique powers open to Scottish judges known as nobile officium (noble office).

That empowers a court to take action on a legal matter where the responsible person fails to do so, or in order to remedy a deficiency. It would be unprecedented but in that situation, the court would write, sign and send the letter specified in the legislation to Brussels and the other 27 EU member states.

That would, presumably, apply only in Scotland. What fun, eh? The Scots become independent just like that…..

69 comments on “The rule of law is important

  1. Sp in two days the remainaics shite appeal has overturned the original court decision that no action was needed.

    Someone–I think on this blog–pointed out: others spend years in court but remainaic scum have their cases and appeals done and dusted in a couple of day’s.

    As I said emergency powers are needed.

    The Govt has done a very good job of bringing the EU owned scum into the light. But that is no good without stopping them dead.

  2. Maybe the judges should have thought a bit before their power grab. An elected prime minister surely trumps a mere bureaucrat

  3. PJF–Which part do you see turning mutinous? Police and military get advanced by doing what they are told. Bypass senior military if Common Purpose is suspected. Fuck the Beaks and SCS.

    Boris should go on tv and say that–to avoid what amounts to an EU takeover against the wishes of the clear majority –the CCA was being temp evoked. And would be stood down after Brexit and a GE at the earliest possible date which was etc,etc.

    Do you think that the majority of British people would not accept that wholeheartedly? As opposed to remainiac victory and EU control?

  4. It would be surprising indeed if a court was able to act in the capacity of Prime Minister. Particularly if the specific point at issue is subject to legal process!

  5. Scots laws don’t rule in England. Doubtless they will try to move it up to the Supremes–prob by 3 pm this afternoon given how the scum seem to be working the Courts with their big toe.

    It is a shame Ray Allan’s Lord Charles dummy wasn’t a Judge. He certainly had the brains for it. Probably not a traitor tho’.

    Pinky and Perky would be better still as Supreme scum.

  6. If anyone was really interested in the abstract principle of democracy they would be carefully formulating a new Constitution in which a multi-dimensional electorate is able vote for Parties it does not detest whilst retaining some local accountability
    My suggestion would be to elect , let us say, 75% of the HOL by PR increase its powers and make it an England only chamber thus addressing the old West Lothian Problem in which Brexit has submerged .
    Sadly whilst handsome idealists, like me would like a better country and a living democracy most of “you” do not give a flying fuck as long as you can blame the common cold on foreigners, make us poorer and live in some fantasy of Ruling the Waves ( in a trading sense …)
    The last people to care about democracy are the Conservative Party who spent the entire 19 century trying to stop it ( ..quite rightly in my own view)

    There is no mandate for No Deal , not in the country not in parliament and not in what one might call the spirit of the referendum during which the possibility was relentlessly denied

  7. But Maugham, who took the court action against Johnson along with Dale Vince, the millionaire owner of the Ecotricity green energy company, and Joanna Cherry QC, a Scottish National party MP

    It’s basically the bad guys from Atlas Shrugged.

    Quoth Jolyon (sp?): If he is in breach of the law, there will be very serious consequences for him personally.

    I wonder if he’s planning on having a 24/7 armed police guard for the rest of his natural. He certainly doesn’t look like he knows karate.

  8. Facepainter –you aren’t even trying any more. Except to serve as living proof why we need a punishment and retaliation commission to deal with traitors like you.

    Steve–Maugham (sic –and he is) is already whining someone has doxed his home address.

    His EU pals—with their customary kindness to traitors as shown to Treason May–will find him a cupboard in Molenbeek .

  9. Ecks – lol

    Re: the law/asses

    Obviously, the Prime Minister isn’t going to do anything flagrantly unlawful. He’ll do something the Supreme Court will have to pretend is unlawful after the event.

    So, “Nyah nyah nyah, I’m not sending any letters” is out. But an order of the Privy Council might be in.

  10. But Newmania, there is mandate for no deal. It’s called the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017. It was agreed by Parliament that the UK would leave the EU at the end of a 2 year negotiation period. That Parliament rejected the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement does not change the fact of the leave date. I think it’s black and white that the consequences of rejecting the WA is to either leave with no deal or extend the negotiations.

    You can be all for continued negotiations, or even for revoke, that’s fine, but let’s stop pretending people didn’t know what they voted for. We had a very thorough debate about the meaning of in and out before the referendum.

  11. Police and military get advanced by doing what they are told.

    Told by whom? Within five minutes of CCA being considered the courts will allow an injunction rendering it illegal. Add to that the streets will be full of remainer protesters bringing everything to a halt. The police can’t and won’t do anything about that (see this week).

    I’m not trying to be a negative ninny, just pointing out that trying to conjure the CCA is about as effective a suggestion as putting a hex on them.

  12. Nonsense PJF. The CCA should neutralise the courts. Do you think you could stop a bunch of coppers–told to arrest you–from arresting you by shouting about your possession of an injunction.?It would have to sorted out later–and all BoJo needs is 3 weeks and its done. He doesn’t have to stage a military coup–just halt unpopular remain dirty tricks for 3 fucking weeks and force a GE on the bastards afterwards.

    Remainiacs on the streets might be a problem in the Smoke and one or two other places. Another black eye for the remainiac image. The non-rioting decent people will understand.

    Outside of London not a problem. After 3 years of their sneering abuse and general remain shite a street fight is just what the Doctor ordered–I and I am sure many others will turn out to stop the bastards in their fucking tracks.

    And riots have never prevailed in this country. Remain will fail.

  13. let’s stop pretending people didn’t know what they voted for. We had a very thorough debate about the meaning of in and out before the referendum.

    Desperately trying to stop people believing lies spread on Face book is not the same thing as a ‘debate’ and ” you should have read the small print ” is the standard line for every con man trapped by crime watch.
    It is quite clear that MPs did not think that by voting for article 50 they were voting for No Deal or there would not be strenuously trying to stop this wanker executive forcing it on us so they can keep their fat wanker arses on green leather
    It is equally clear that the majority of the country even now after all the polarisation , did not mean to leave in the most damaging stupid way conceivable because EVERY TIME THEY ARE ASKED THEY SAY
    In fact there has been a polled majority for not leaving at all since 2017 and set against No Deal it is no contest

    End fucking of; mate.

  14. I don’t think remainians have any need to worry about Johnson not requesting an article 50 extension. He will make such a request. He is as much of a lying, remainian piece of **** as May was. He is May in trousers. He has been saying for weeks that we leave the EU on Halloween. (Sound familiar? How many times did May say we would leave at the end of March?) And yet the government have said that Johnson will comply with the Benn surrender act. Both of those claims can’t be true.

    Think about it. Johnson had his opportunities to scupper the Benn surrender act. He didn’t. He allowed it to become law. The only conclusion that one can draw from that is that Johnson wants Britain to remain in the EU.

  15. “It is quite clear that MPs did not think that by voting for article 50 they were voting for No Deal”

    So they are one of:

    Mendacious
    Deluded
    Stupid

  16. Simon Maxwell–Your conclusion would be in error.

    Why should Johnson follow a course of action that will leave him a hated pariah and laughing stock. He is already rich so it isn’t rewards. Why not just leave Treason May in place or even help her with her dirty work. Why put forward a deal the EU wont accept?

    Johnson has–whatever his other faults –done a wonderful job of exposing the scum of remain and their EU masters real agenda to the light of day. Why do all that and also create the bad blood with the traitors if EU sellout was all he wanted. He could have stayed in Treason May’s Cabinet and done that.

  17. Simon – Boris Johnson: either a guy doing his best to uphold his word in the most challenging political, legal, and media environment since the Civil War, ooooor THE ZOMBIFIED RETURN OF VIKUND QUISLING!!!11!

  18. Facepaint–your polls are as bogus as your bogus media boosted (x3 and x4 respectively) marches and your bogus petitions (40,000 sigs from British Antarctica-pop 1400).

    Project Fear failed Nunbnuts. Face-paint it.

  19. “That empowers a court to take action on a legal matter where the responsible person fails to do so, or in order to remedy a deficiency.” Compare US Separation of Powers, and especially what late Justice Scalia said was jurisprudence’s most important question: “Who decides?” A Latin phrase that says a Scottish court can intervene anytime it perceives a “deficiency” is a governing defect that Scotland should expunge quickly.

  20. Newmania, in your world does anyone apart from you know what they’re voting for? MPs may not have passed a law thinking it would end in no deal, but that’s the law they passed and the situation they created each time they rejected the WA. They also voted for the referendum, and its wording. So either they’re liars or idiots, probably both.

    I don’t remember mentioning anything about reading the small print. I just remember 6 boring months of campaigning and the remain campaign being very clear that leave meant no customs union and no single market and we’d be lucky to get a deal. It was in all their literature. Yet despite that a majority still voted out, I know you think because of lying buses but it’s still a majority and it’s still a vote out. Also the majority of polls had a remain win, so I wouldn’t put a whole amount of stock in opinion polls.

    And just to pre-empt “no one voted to be poorer”, 12 million people voted for Jeremy Corbyn.

  21. “Why should Johnson follow a course of action that will leave him a hated pariah and laughing stock. He is already rich so it isn’t rewards. Why not just leave Treason May in place or even help her with her dirty work. Why put forward a deal the EU wont accept?

    Johnson has–whatever his other faults –done a wonderful job of exposing the scum of remain and their EU masters real agenda to the light of day. Why do all that and also create the bad blood with the traitors if EU sellout was all he wanted. He could have stayed in Treason May’s Cabinet and done that.”

    Because Johnson, like May before him, is a fool who would rather see his party destroyed (having betrayed Leave voters by remaining in the EU) than take Britain out of the EU. It is true that there are some MPs in the “Conservative” party who want to leave the EU (deal or no deal) but they are in the minority. May and Johnson are at heart remainians.

    Remember that at the time of the referendum, Johnson was on the fence over Remain or Leave. He opted for Leave. He is not like other Eurosceptic MPs who have been opposed to the EU for years. He is a recent convert to Leave and cannot be trusted.

  22. Additional comment I forgot to make in my previous post:

    We will just have to wait for November 1st to see how Johnson tries to justify or excuse the fact that we have still not left the EU despite his pledges to leave on Halloween.

  23. Newman is wants some more local accountability, devolved English powers. But suggest that landowner subsidies, regional development and fishing rights are devolved and he goes apoplectic. And he thinks he’s being entirely consistent

  24. SM

    “Because Johnson, like May before him, is a fool who would rather see his party destroyed (having betrayed Leave voters by remaining in the EU) than take Britain out of the EU.”

    Those are more the actions of a committed ideological Remainer, and which simply doesn’t ring true.

    I’m not sure his posts from Brussels (for the Speccy) back in the early days were exactly those of any kind of Remainer, never mind “the ideologue”! As for the old “for and against” argument, well, he’s an intelligent chap and a classic wordsmith.

    You are undoubtedly correct on one thing: We will find out, and quite soon…

  25. Boris Johnson: either a guy doing his best to uphold his word in the most challenging political, legal, and media environment since the Civil War, ooooor THE ZOMBIFIED RETURN OF VIKUND QUISLING!!!11!

    You’re begging the question, Steve.

    It’s quite possible that Johnson’s position is for a soft Brexit (Brino) and he’s just posturing to diminish the threat of TBP. He says he wants a deal. I believe him.

    Do not conflate Boris with Brexit. He’ll only deliver it by accident.

  26. What bollocks !!!!!
    Had the referendum been limited to those who could tell you what the single market was then the leave vote would have been discernible only under a microscope.
    If you want to call that a mandate for leaving it then I`ll take it you have no problem with raping a drunken comatose teenage girl lying outside a kebab shop at 2 in the morning.(Nothing would surprise me )
    The reason that only in the last couple of weeks Michael Gove finally admitted that Leave meant leaving the single market was precisely because they had realised no-one knew what that meant. The fact this contradicted entirely the claims that there would be a Brexit bonus and undisturbed trade .. well who cares eh.
    They did that, of course , so they could turn up the racist anti-immigrant lies to 11 as that was getting traction. The filth flooding face book is was unbelievable and the anti-immigrant hate mongering has never stopped
    If you read the government leaflet to which you refer which no-one did , you will find its warnings of the risks were accurate.
    On the Jeremy Corbyn vote ..meh… much of it swung at the last moment ..what choice have you got ? If we actually had a democracy Boris Johnson would not be trying to get a Brexit election because he would lose it . As it is a split vote gets nothing and that’s what this is all about .

    What is required is a simple referendum .
    No Deal
    Remain

    Those are the real options ; we will not get it and we all know why –

  27. Simon Maxwell–you are just reading of the card of lunacy mate. If he wanted EU victory he could have done that for zero effort. Use your brain and stop reciting.

    PJF–He prob would like a deal. But the ESpew have made it clear that any deal =break up of UK and them kicking the shit out of economically and humiliating us as a nation. Or remain–those are the only choices the EU are giving.

    BoJo also knows the Tory Party won’t survive an EU triumph over us–regardless of how many traitor MPs there are backing remain.If 80% of members quit–no more Tories. He has all to gain by going for a No Deal. He can keep talking up deals but he won’t get one. And neither will shite MPs who want a postponement which they know is halfway house to remain.

  28. Yeah–Facepainter –cos No Deal would kick the shite out of remainaic scum like you. Project Fear may have turned your traitor’s bowels to water–not a big change–but it was a yawn/laugh for the rest of us.

    Secured your supplies of bog roll Face–you don’t want to be wiping your arse with your hands like your friends do you?

  29. I’ve tried to be polite but you’re clearly a cunt. The terms of the referendum were dictated by Parliament, both campaigns had an opportunity to put forward their case, remain lost, leave won. The question asked was should we leave the EU, everything since has set up a binary choice between deal or no deal. But I guess if we’re using stupid analogies and personal attacks you not understanding that is probably because your idea of a good night in is raping babies. Nothing would surprise me.

    I read the government leaflet, so you’re wrong when you say no-one read it.
    If remain had down a better job of selling the EU things may have been different but now they just seem like spoilt children who’ve had their toys taken away. Facebook and buses aside have you actually met leavers? They aren’t all ignorant troglodytes and racists and they have thought about the issues.

    If there was a second referendum, and that’s a big if, remain doesn’t get a vote it would be deal or no deal. As the choice between leave and remain has already been made back in 2016. But you would know that if you spent more time with adults and less time raping babies.

  30. “I’ve tried to be polite but you’re clearly a cunt” I sussed that on Day one. You can be too nice. Not something I’m likely to be accused of but still….

  31. From describing:

    “I just remember 6 boring months of campaigning and the remain campaign being very clear that leave meant no customs union and no single market and we’d be lucky to get a deal. It was in all their literature. Yet despite that a majority still voted out”

    as “bollocks”, because:

    “Had the referendum been limited to those who could tell you what the single market was”

    is getting a bit desperate, Newms? Imagine if all those that voted Remain had understood that Project Fear (0.5 million job losses and all that) was simply a massive pack of lies?

    We know you don’t believe in democracy, demos and stuff like that, sure, but Ecks was right, you’re not really even trying any more?

  32. All the signs were there Mr Ecks, I should have known.

    And now he thinks leavers are likely rapists, as well as racists, and ignorant. Yet it’s leavers who are making the country an awful place with their inflammatory language.

  33. So your excuse for a pack of Lies is that it wasn`t your job to point out you were lying ? Try walking around treating people like in real life and see how often you get punched in the face. That is absurd. Similarly try walking into real company and telling them they should give up paying customers because some idiot fat little MP has had a chat with someone in Africa… that is reality and so is this:
    Turkey is not joining .Negotiations were never going to be easy with an organization 8 times our size. Erecting barriers with our largest clients and suppliers was not going to create more prosperity. Immigration does not make us poorer ..and so on and so on
    This is not playground football and you do not take the ball home when you are one up. Nothing is decided

    PS
    I`m sorry you didn’t like my metaphor for an inability to give valid consent by the way. Presumably you mean the baby thing in some symbolic way but I cant` work out what that might be ?

  34. So were the Remain campaign lying when they said that a vote for “leave” would be a vote to leave the single market and the customs union?

    So either the Remain campaign were selling or a pack of lies, or people were knowingly voting for a hard brexit. Pick one.

  35. And now he thinks leavers are likely rapists, as well as racists, and ignorant. Yet it’s leavers who are making the country an awful place with their inflammatory language.

    Oh yes well I did not have the good fortune to attend the Thomas Mair conservatory for politeness and deportment. Do you seriously want to get into that ?

  36. I’ve never made excuses for lies and said nothing of the sort. You really are having conversations in your own head aren’t you?! I was happy to point out the lies of both sides and their crap campaigns but I also recognise that politicians lie, it’s par for the course. Should we hold them to a higher standard, of course, but if we cancel every vote on the basis of lies then the whole system would fall apart. It’s people like you who are destroying the system with your insistence that only votes you agree with should be dealt with. I’m not arguing it was going to be easy, but we voted leave and it’s the job of the Government and Parliament to make that work rather than listening to people like you having a fit because you’re not getting your way.

    You might want to learn how to use metaphor because it read to me like I would rape a drunk girl because I don’t believe the same thing as you. You might want to work on that because that might get you punched in the face in real life too. Oh its not symbolic, I legitimately believe you like raping babies

  37. Facepainter– keeping lying after you’re exposed doesn’t help you.

    You know I bet the cunt paints the 13 stars of Death on his face and THEN covers it up with a Union Jack. Making him a Union Jackal I suppose.

  38. Firstly , No-Deal is really a misnomer, as agreements will be made on an Ad-Hoc basis once we leave.

    The whole kerfuffle regarding a deal is aso a misrepresentation as the current negotiations are all about how low and for how long we are to bow and scrape at the feet of the EU Commision before they condescend to negotiate with us. Only after we capitulate will they deign to do a deal with us.

    Boris was neither a dyed in the wool leaver or remainer before. Like many people he saw the advantages and the pitfalls of both courses of action and with due consideration chose for the Leave side.
    When I saw Cameron come back from discussions with Europe with nary a concession it was quite clear at that point that it was only ever going to be their way or the highway.

    Boris has played an admirably straight bat since he became P.M. and many ordinary people like him and think he’s doing a good job. He certainly started off well in comparison to the abysmal May, which is why of course, all the shit has come out in the tabloids to try and spike his progress.

    It is effectively a war for the soul of this Country.
    The establishment has become a parasite and infected every organ of the state..
    Our parliamentarians and Speaker are conspiring against the duly elected Government and the will of the People as expressed through a democratically run referendum. Parliament is meant to scrutinise the govenment, not to run things in its place.
    Our traditions and ways of Governing ourselves have been undermined or actively flouted at every turn.

    I’m with Ecks on this, we need to utterly route these people and make an example of them.
    If there are no consequences for what I see is clearly sedition, then our Democracy is dead and these people will assume (as they already do) that they have carte blanche to do as they please with little accountability.

  39. To be fair to Newnania, he did once admit to being a cunt.

    I think the exact words were, “I’m sorry for being such a cunt”.

  40. Oh boo hoo, god your are a limp little tart aren`t you.
    The main struts of the Leave campaign were the entry of Turkey the swarm of Syrians the outright bonus to the exchequer and a general attack on immigration in equally mendacious terms .
    All lies
    This was new low by a mile, a cuntry mile.Nothing said by Project reality is playing the same game and no election campaign in my lifetime was anything like this. The closest I can think of was the sue of the Bulger case by New Labour but this was something quite quite new and if you think the genii is going back in the bottle you can forget it.
    You think you cheat and then everyone say well played and have a beer afterwards .
    That is not how it works .

  41. “The main struts of the Leave campaign were the entry of Turkey the swarm of Syrians”

    You’re living on a different planet, aren’t you Newms. Are you from a Labour constituency up north by any chance, or something similar?

    I remember all the fake Project Fear stuff quite vividly, a) because the Government spent so much bloody money making damn sure we heard about it, and b) it was self evidently bollocks to anyone with more than half a brain cell.

    On the other side, the only reason I remember the bus was because your lot kept squealing on about it. Turkey, Syria, Iraq or whatever else (?) didn’t even register in this household. Gove’s “Take back control” was a tad repetitive, I’ll give you, but simply a good parallel to the main Leave argument which was – essentially – sovereignty.

  42. Oh dear, Violet Elizabeth Newremania is having a little temper tantrum.

    Funny VEN doesn’t mention the lies from the Remain campaign. You know, the ones about millions of job losses, immediate recession, plagues of frogs and the appearance of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. None of which has come to pass. Instead what we get is a constant stream of invective about how Leavers are all raciss. I’ll bet an apple core to a barrel of pigshit that VEN is one of those people who go around telling everyone that some of his best friends are black, dontcha know. If he were any more stupid he’d need watering twice a week.

  43. I’m limp? You’re the one engaged in a 3 year hissy fit because people disagree with you and because you’re not getting your own way.

    Elections are all about lies, how many times have we heard no tax rises, or the Tories will destroy the NHS, you not remembering that doesn’t make it untrue, it’s called recency bias.

    And both sides of the referendum lied and continued to lie, get over yourself. You just pick and choose the lies that suit your world view like everyone else while pretending your shit doesn’t stink. But because you’re a cunt if anyone points it out to you, you start flailing like the baby fucker you are and make an utter cunt of yourself because you’re so high on your sense of self importance

  44. The courts sending the letter would be manna from heaven. Boris doesn’t have to sign it and can go to the country having done his bit and really emphasise the people vs the establishment message.

  45. @Newmania – Quite why you come here with your retarded bullshit is beyond me. I have literally no idea what you are trying to achieve.

    I have friends that voted remain in the referendum. They did so because they thought that leave was too risky and that remain was the “status quo” (even though the EU’s roadmap towards ever closer union means there is no such thing). I didn’t agree with them at the time and I told them so and told them why, but they were rational voters who read the literature that both the government and campaigns provided and made their choice accordingly.

    In the 3+ years since then they have not changed their minds on remain, but they have become so disgusted with the frankly shocking attitude of those who lost, but refuse to accept the loss that they refuse to discuss BRExit with anyone at all outside their close circle of friends. Despite voting remain their view at this point is that the UK needs to leave simply to end the chaos of eternal division.

    You are part of that chaos, that eternal division, like a cancer or parasite that needs to be excised to prevent it from killing the host.

    Nothing personal.

  46. He has to get to the country BiND–The 2nd VONC vote will be no to GE –so the voter import and votes for 14 yr old snots can begin.

  47. Newmania: “What is required is a simple referendum .
    No Deal
    Remain

    Those are the real options ; we will not get it and we all know why”

    Yes, a rigged “People’s Vote”. That’s what you remainians want, isn’t it? The one thing you *don’t* want is a 100% identical rerun of the June 2016 referendum, and we all know why. Because you’re terrified that Leave would win again. And you know what, I think we would win again, and by a larger margin.

    For one thing, the Leave campaign would be simple – something like “which part of “Leave” did you not understand?”, but snappier than that. And for another thing, I think a lot of Leave supporting people who didn’t vote last time would vote this time. I almost didn’t bother voting Leave as I was sure Remain would win. However, in the end, I did vote. Now that people know that Leave can win, I suspect more Leave-inclined non-voters would vote Leave.

  48. And you know what, I think we would win again, and by a larger margin.

    The only problem being that Remain did not bother to try and rig the vote in 2016 because they were sure they had already won – even Nigel Farage thought so at the time. Next time they will pull out all of the stops to ensure that Remain won.

    If they are prepared to stand up on tv and call the 17.5 million who voted Leave racist idiots without any fear of the consequences, then just imagine what they are capable of doing with another referendum. That’s why there can be no second referendum, not that there is any justification for it anyway other than Remoaners wanting to steal another vote.

  49. JG

    “You are part of that chaos, that eternal division, like a cancer or parasite that needs to be excised to prevent it from killing the host.”

    In spades..

    Thankfully, those I personally know fall less and less into that category. Some of the most ardent Remainers I know from 2 to 3 years ago now accept that we simply must leave and move on, whether that’s with a deal or No Deal.

    I am perhaps speculating, but maybe 1) some get that many of us on the Leave side will never easily accept an abrupt reversal of a democratic referendum (if that is what then happened – and hence how does this all actually move on afterwards), and 2) they are less inclined to accept the humiliation of going down the Irish route of “voting again until we get it right”?

  50. I’m not sure they’re capable of rigging it. They’ll probably do the same as last time, half arse it because they assume the whole country is like Newmania, suffering a 3 year case of the vapours. Not realising that not everyone is a gaping prolapsed anus like Newmania.

    For example Richard Dawkins was in the Spectator saying he can’t see a leave win, forgetting he couldn’t see one in 2016 either. They can hold up Parliament and play in the courts but they don’t actually speak to the British people

  51. …3 year hissy fit because people disagree with you and because you’re not getting your own way.

    And the funny thing is he is getting his own way. We’re still in the EU and there is no likely way out. It appears the majority must also be abused by the minority, just so as things are clear.

  52. ‘Another RuPaul’ still trying to work through his wounded feelings I see … shudder.
    The British people seem to have their own ideas about what they want . The Evening Standard has just done a poll of Polls showing the remain lead is solid and consistent I am amazed that so many people stick their original mistake for which i have to commend the efforts of Big Lie team
    BMG research published a result on stay or no deal on the 4th of October
    No Deal 37%
    Remain 45%
    That is consistent with the recent U Gov Poll
    Those are the facts mam

  53. As if by magic, all of a sudden there’s a pathway to a deal. I’ve been expecting something like this. Lots of theatre and then a last minute “deal”. All conquering Boris delivers Brino and most people swallow it. Job done, we remain.

  54. That is consistent with the recent U Gov Poll
    Those are the facts mam

    Last poll before the referendum showed 10% remain win. How did that work out for you?

  55. He thinks he’s the smartest person in the room but can’t even defend his own arguments without resorting to his witty insults or recycling mine. Nice hurt feelings comment but haven’t I just been saying that’s the source of your Brexit anguish? Have an original thought for once. The only thing I’m hurt by is your not knowing the difference between an analogy and a metaphor you retard.

    Unfortunately he’ll get what he wants and we’ll have to live with insufferable pricks like him saying how right their madness is

  56. PJF–You mean the blowing hard from Vardo about a deal? Unlikely. A sell out and a kicking for us is all the EU will accept and it would be bye bye for Johnson and the Tory Party. Plus if he did win the GE his term of office would be blighted by the EU giving us an economic shitkicking and openly gloating about it. Look how they treated their creature and agent Treason May for God’s sake–kept waiting for hours like a skivvy in windowless rooms while EU grandees drank their coffee. Hardly a good plan for Johnson to rely on EU goodwill–they are nasty turds without a shred of decency.. The Deal he put up is as far as he can safely go.

  57. The main struts of the Leave campaign were the entry of Turkey

    The same Turkey that the EU promised to give visa-free access to all EU member states in 2016?

    the swarm of Syrians

    Did we hallucinate Angela Merkel organising the biggest invasion of Germany since the Red Army (who were similarly rapey), then threatening other EU countries they’d better take “their fair share”, then Amber Rudd fetching bearded, thirtysomething “child” migrants from Calais?

    Man, drugs really are bad.

    the outright bonus to the exchequer

    Will be £350m a week.

    and a general attack on immigration in equally mendacious terms

    How many more helpless little English girls do you want to be raped or blown up?

  58. @Steve October 10, 2019 at 10:17 am

    Re: Quoth Jolyon (sp?): “If he is in breach of the law, there will be very serious consequences for him personally.”

    His sister will not invite him to New Year party?

    Nothing iirc in Benn & Bercow Surrender Act about consequences of breaking it – fine, jail etc

    imo it can be annulled as passed After and due to “illegal” prorogation notification

  59. It’s pointless but fun to demonstrate Facepainter’s ignorance.
    He said, “The last people to care about democracy are the Conservative Party who spent the entire 19 century trying to stop it ( ..quite rightly in my own view”

    Here is wiki on the
    1867 reform bill :

    Following an unsuccessful attempt by Benjamin Disraeli to introduce a reform bill in 1859, Lord John Russell, who had played a major role in passing the 1832 Reform Act, attempted this in 1860; but the Prime Minister, Lord Palmerston, a fellow Liberal, was against any further electoral reform.

  60. I am watching all this from a far flung outpost of the Empire (New Zealand). It passes all understanding that 3 years after the vote, all the old arguments are still being fought over.
    The Media here are bemused by the goings on as am I. It is very noticeable though that the same sort of scenario is playing out in the USA with the constant refusal of the Democrats to accept the Trump Presidency and trying to overturn it by any means. There must be something in the DNA of the Left that they cannot accept the idea of anyone else winning.

  61. johnd2008
    There must be something in the DNA of the Left that they cannot accept the idea of anyone else winning.

    Yep. They are all cunts.

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