Why we should leave the EU

This is an excellent description of why we should have nothing at all to do with the fuckwits:

35 comments on “Why we should leave the EU

  1. That case was won 3 years ago Tim.

    Smashing the fucking traitors is where its at now.

    Hope everybody sent in a compliant about Bercow.

  2. Not sure I see your point ? Things are complicated . One quite complicated thing is that the Bank of England is holdings rolling meetings with Companies who will no longer be able to trade in the UK based on capital held outside the UK. Its called begging .
    They are really impressive actually and the UK is as open as open can be . The capital requirement for Insures licensed in the EEA to trade from a UK regulated Branch office is 25% of the capital that would have been required were there no funds in EEA regulated countries .
    The Bank of England has issued a short form guidance on this .
    What they cannot do of course is obtain a multi Party Market agreement to mutually accept capital held within its borders which ( obviously ) needs a lot of painstakingly constructed agreement between Nations and so on
    The requirement outwards into the EEA is still 100% so that would mean you would have to find the capital twice
    There is a lot more to it than that of course but the point is that coordinating regulation between many countries who( I have no doubt you will be quick to say) must agree everything , is hard work and the UK has been pivotal in creating this single market from which it is hugely profited
    That is life, not simple , not stick you net in the sea and pull out a fish, no for most of us and this is why Brexit is so despised by the City and Business

  3. This is the bit he quietly slipped in – and which is key to his argument (if you read the whole thing):

    But in a no deal scenario you are looking at YEARS of chaos before we can move back to a settled trading relationship with our biggest trading partner.

    Does that mean – in the same way that “all that chaos” means it’s absolutely impossible to buy a Japanese Mazda now in the UK – that I won’t be able to buy a VW either, after Brexit day?

    Or – as Chilean wine is similarly impossible to buy today (all that bloody chaos) – the same will become true of claret or Barolo?

  4. Brexit is hated by traitor scum like you Facepaint–because you love your wallet and yourself and that is as far as it ever goes with trash like you.

    Better check the paint you’ve been putting on your mug. From your raving hyper-active collapse it might be you have been putting lead-based compounds on your mug–a Royal Route to your so-called brain.

  5. Newmania

    You are right, and I’m sure there are still hurdles that don’t need to be triggered until Brexit day itself, but if you are close to the City (and this doesn’t just relate to the City), you’ll know that a lot of the implementation work in preparation for Brexit has already been done.

    For example, insurers (losing passporting rights) were never going to wait for Brexit day on the basis that it might not happen. It took time to set up offices / move the required people to satisfy the regulations etc. It’s mostly done. And those jobs lost from London will not come back if Brexit doesn’t happen, as you know. In other words, quite a bit of the so called chaos has in fact already happened (no I didn’t spot Canary Wharf recently go up in flames either).

    Yes, I agree that new stuff / business etc will depend on what happens next, but that’s true with everything irrespective of Brexit. And will depend on policy decisions that we, as a country, take, with regard to tax, bureaucracy and lots more.

    Quite a lot of this “crashing out” stuff if there is No Deal is let’s just politely say “political”.

  6. And with the UK running a large trade deficit with the EU, .European problem. Hope they enjoy suffering it

  7. PF
    Some of the FCA detectives and B and of E work is pretty recent actually (in the last 3 months
    that is passporting ‘in’ of course )but you are right , we have been preparing for this since before the referendum .
    From my personal acquaintance I know Banks have been working on shifting functions . As you may imagine the fact that all this pointless work will only make Brexit ….errrm.. “people” , tell everyone it was a big fuss about nothing make the whole thing more popular on a daily basis ……( Language of a contemptuous sort has been common)
    This structurally weakens the City but it will hard to see the impact because the bigger you are the better you can cope .If you are a mega beast dual regulation and finding additional capital is moving the chairs around .Its all extra cost but Aviva won`t be unduly perturbed . Foir Lloyds it has been a costly disaster and I will be surprised if the whole structure they have invented works ,we`ll see
    If you wish to start up an EEA facing Insurer however there is now at to do it in London just so you had to do it again in Dublin So the opportunity to be the centre of that market has been thrown away , we will have to see to what extent the City is affected . Its very very big
    My view is that the cutting edge of European stuff has to go and I can`t see why you would wish to trade in the most expensive and worst place to do so in Europe
    Start ups will start up somewhere else ..or people will just do something else

  8. And with the UK running a large trade deficit with the EU, .European problem. Hope they enjoy suffering it

    As Mr Worstall will tell you – this is utterly meaning ess

  9. All these trade agreements aren’t worth the bother are they? Declare unilateral free trade and forget about it. If they’re so keen on free trade they can sort out the details on their side.

    At least that’s what would happen if everyone was sensible. People demanding the state protect their existing jobs is likely to be a problem.

  10. “Filming in Brazil, Senegal and Jamaica, for example, I checked in extra suitcases full of books, ”
    I’ve just bought return airtickets for Brazil. A suitcase was over 200€. And since the weight limit’s 23kg per, a suitcase “full” of books would be about a third full. But, I suppose the Booker is a fiction prize.

  11. @Newmania
    Why do you this trivial matter of a relatively small amount of trade with a few European countries such importance over sovereignty & the right for people to live as they like in their own country.? In the long term it’s going to affect virtually no-one. Few other people care. As someone recently pointed out, here, the only thing from Europe you might have to learn to live without is French cheese. And hardly anyone in the UK eats French cheese. Almost everything else is available from non-European markets.
    A few people in companies depend on exporting to the EU may lose their jobs. Tough. They’ll find others. They’d probably lose them anyway, as the Eurozone looks set to spiral down into deep recession.

  12. Newmania

    Yes, I get that – there are going to be swings and roundabouts, gains and losses (small and large, was always thus). I guess the point I was trying to make was that, if a lot of this is effectively done, then moving forward is simply not the catastrophe that some are still trying to claim.

    It sounds as if you are based in insurance. I’ve a good friend in the same boat. He was 100% WTF initially (yes, insurance is clearly one of those firmly on the loss side of the ledger). Now convinced, because he’s largely completed what needed to be done, that (whatever his personal view) we just need to get on and finish it, WTO if necessary, with May’s earlier proposal being an appalling outcome.

    Our political class still think they can reverse this. I think their economic reasoning (ignoring issues such as sovereignty, reversing a democratic decision, etc) simply isn’t anything like as sound as they continue to pretend.

    And if the EU was serious (rather than continuing their political agenda), they might surely be pushing for some sort of interim GATT 24 arrangement at this stage.

  13. It never ceases to amaze me how many people would trade the entire cause of their future well being i.e. the right to keep and spend their own money and the right to sack those who propose to spend other people’s money for the avoidance of mere difficulties, dislocations, a possible cheese shortage.

    If the establishment rigs democracy any further , everyone else, their kids and grand kids will be dirt poor Venezuela style in no time.

    Few Remain voters will enjoy that outcome either.

    If every cost of a hypothetical worst case Independence counts, so do the costs of a hypothetical worst case Remain. There are already five presidents we can’t sack and they all like financial misconduct.

    The status quo has its fair share of risk.

  14. PF
    You are right about the level of preparedness in my personal experience ( and anyone who is not ready by now has no right to survive )
    That said I struggle to see any gains whatsoever if thats what you mean by swings and roundabouts – how could,erecting trade barriers between ourselves and our largest and closest partners suppliers and customers possibly produce any sort of gain?
    Bear in mind the US is a known, there is nothing to come. China the same – throw in Japan and you have three quarters of the worlds economy and pretty much all of it in terms of buying complex services . This is even allowing that in the real world one throws out paying customers and long relationships in the hope one might go and find another one somewhere..in Africa or something .
    These are just things people say …they have no reality whatsoever.and I am yet to meet anyone who actually is involved with its consequences who is not furious.
    It is not our ‘political class’, it is neither a conspiracy or a stab in the back.The balance of opinion in Parliament reflects the broad balance of opinion in the country There is a large minority who for a variety of often unlovely reasons want to get out at any cost but the overwhelming majority do not as shown repeatedly by polls asking that very question.

    God knows how we got here

  15. “and I am yet to meet anyone who actually is involved with its consequences who is not furious”

    Sane people see you coming and leg it before they end up stuck in conversation with a clueless cockwomble. But never mind, Mr Newman, I’ll always be there to give you a happy ending

  16. “how could,erecting trade barriers between ourselves and our largest and closest partners suppliers and customers possibly produce any sort of gain?”
    Who mentioned the UK erecting trade barriers?

  17. EU trade barriers are what the UK has now. Leaving the EU removes the requirement to have them.

  18. So we are back to the it’s complicated so we shouldn’t do it argument again.
    The other way to look at is that all the fears of the backstop extending past 2 years and trapping UK for a decade or more were quite reasonable and the EU has been lying or at least acting in bad faith by say it’s just an insurance they don’t even intend to use.

  19. Potential gains from leaving?

    Bureaucracy increasingly applied to all of our economy (single market) that ordinarily would only be applied to those trying to export into that market (if we chose).

    Lower consumer prices (if we choose) by being outside of what is evidently a protectionist customs union.

    There are bucket loads of possibilities, and I suspect – if it was a competition – you could create a much bigger list than I could if you really put your mind to it?

    God knows how we got here

    Ultimately, however, and more important than any of the above, why would any country vote for independence, ever?

    It’s the supra-nationalist argument versus national identity etc. I have good friends and family who are unashamed supra-nationalists. They are the only vociferous Remainers I don’t try and argue with over Brexit. They want to get to Limerick, I want to get to Cork; we agree that it’s meaningless having discussions over which route to take.

    I guess next step might be – if considering issues like locally devolved sovereignty, nationally shared sovereignty, the future, etc – is the EU the right vehicle for our own inclusion / transit towards a future one world order. Too much “lack of willing” to date for my taste. We’ve been an uncooperative member of this club for a long time, the glove never really properly fitted. And for all sorts of reasons – I’m not trying to ascribe blame.

    Maybe we’re all better off at this stage trying to remain good friends and next door neighbours instead. If NZ doesn’t feel the need to align politically with Australia, or Canada with the USA, with far more in common re values etc, then – not only am I not at all persuaded that we *need* to become part of a future USE – I struggle to see the benefit (to us) in doing so.

    Apologies, I’ve drifted, the last two or three paragraphs weren’t really relevant to your question…

  20. @Itellyounothing October 11, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    mere difficulties, dislocations, a possible cheese shortage

    +1

    News just in on Project Hysteria…

    Drum roll

    We’re going to run out of Loo Roll

    @bloke in spain October 11, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    +1

    Remoaners still spout the nonsense “We won’t be able to sell to/buy from EU firms/individuals” – unless EU implement a trade block it’s a deranged lie. Even if the do, RoW is open.

    @BniC October 11, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    +1

    @PF October 11, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    +1

  21. These are just things people say …they have no reality whatsoever.and I am yet to meet anyone who actually is involved with its consequences who is not furious.
    It is not our ‘political class’, it is neither a conspiracy or a stab in the back.The balance of opinion in Parliament reflects the broad balance of opinion in the country There is a large minority who for a variety of often unlovely reasons want to get out at any cost but the overwhelming majority do not as shown repeatedly by polls asking that very question.

    This entirely depends on your situation and your location. It sounds like your industry will be heavily affected, which explains your antipathy to the whole Brexit situation. Yet, from where I’m sitting, any impact on the industry I’m in will be minimal, and the people who work here are, on the whole, pro-Brexit. Those who aren’t are also normal people and we can (and occasonally do) discuss the situation in a civil and courteous manner.
    The only fury seen here is at the politicos who have made the worlds largest f*king pigs ear of the whole mess.

    I kind of agree that Parliament represents both sides, however, here, the bulk of people want out. I’m guessing you work in London or somewhere similar? Out here in the sticks, its a bit different. Most people I have spoken to want their sovereignty back. Not wanting to be ruled by Germans/Polish/French politicos is not the same as hating the French/German/Polish people.

  22. “ So we are back to the it’s complicated so we shouldn’t do it argument again.”

    If it’s so difficult now then it will only get harder because of ever closer union, so we owe it to our grandchildren to take the pain now. If they want to join in 40 years than it will be with eyes wide open, instead of being locked in akin to political prisoners.

  23. The amusing thing about Newmonia’s dread of dire effects on the City’s out in the rest of the country the City slickers are generally despised. He’s providing the best reasons the hardest Brexit available.

  24. They gave him some shitty medal. Jesus fucking Christ. Hermann pats him on the head and says “good doggie!”

    Still, I wish him all the best in his work there once we leave. He can continue his dream with only the slight regret that we wont be part of his vision of hundreds of millions united under the jackboot.

  25. I can’t for the moment believe Newmania is connected to the City. His incoherence, his Corbyn supporting posts, it’s preposterous.

  26. I’ve met a few IT types who take the city money but see themselves as lefties and complain and bitch outside of work, usually have a lower payed left wing partner they are trying to keep happy. Suggesting they leave the city or even London as a whole itself is met with righteous indignation. Typical snowflake the world should change to suit me mentality.

  27. I hope there’s some political greed and/or incompetence in store to scuttle Boris’s new scheme, ‘cos otherwise we’re going to get trapped in via Northern Ireland.

    Like I said, lots of theatre to paint Boris as the brave defender and then the Brino pig is painted with sufficient Brexit lipstick to convince the middle ground that we’re coming out.

  28. You don’t even know what the terms talked of are PJF.

    As I have heard so far:
    1-UK out of CU/SM etc –out of courts/laws/military–as per the Boris deal terms.

    2-NI still has EU tariffs but refunds given in NI for the difference between EU and UK tariffs. Stupid and bureaucratic–but how so a trap? NI can vote to dump the farce after 4 years. It would be a name only exercise. And there will be mass smuggling of cheaper goods from NI to Eire. That will happen regardless of ANY political bullshit. So Irish EU owned govt scum still suffer. And all Irish people benefit from EU being undermined.

    It puts shite MPs in a bad place. Any GE will be a sure wipeout if they boot a reasonable deal. Yeah–we should not have ANY deal and if the HoScum reject it then still No Deal. But Johnson will have all he needs –in my book anyway–to force No Deal on a set of brazen wreckers.

    If the Deal is shite then BoJo has finished himself and the Tory Party. After himself spreading notice that Mercow only wants a deal that breaks up the UK, it would then be sheer insanity to capitulate to that 48 short hours later. And if he allows MP scum to postpone–let alone cancel Brexit –and/or stage a VONC that will replace him and then vote down a GE before 2022 on the second vote –he and the Tories are finished anyway. As is Brexit and the UK.

    So let’s hear the terms first.

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