Of course govt healthcare means higher taxes

How can it not?

Democrat candidates rounded on Elizabeth Warren, the new putative front-runner in the race for the party’s nomination, accusing her of being “dishonest” for not admitting her healthcare plan would raise taxes on the middle class.

And no, you can’t tax the rich enough to pay for it. There aren’t enough rich and they don’t have enough money. Private health care is, after all, some 8 or 9% of US GDP. Not even in your wildest dreams can you tax the 1% enough to cover that.

Even if you believe the “the 1% have 20%” you can’#t. Because that 20% is pre the taxes they already pay.

10 comments on “Of course govt healthcare means higher taxes

  1. She can’t say that she will raise taxes, it’s politically untenable. However, if the share of healthcare provided by government rises, the amount paid by private individuals will fall, so it’s possible that the two will balance out. That’s a more nuanced point than simply “your taxes will go up”, and TV debates aren’t a place for nuance.

  2. Starting from where they are they need to be forcing healthcare prices down, not trying to fund paying the existing prices.

  3. No matter how crap the NHS is, it’s a fantastic bargain if you pay feck-all or nearly feck-all for it, which is true of the vast majority of users. When you aren’t really paying for the service, you can’t see why it shouldn’t have more money thrown at it, because it will still be other people paying, eh?

  4. Excavator Man hits the nail on the head. The message that Warren is sending has nothing to do with the actual fiscal structure of her healthcare plan, because she doesn’t actually give a tinker’s cuss about that right now, or ever, for that matter. Her immediate goal is the Democratic nomination, followed by the Presidency. To achieve those goals, she needs to transmit a message that amounts to ‘I’m going to give everybody free everything (not just healthcare) and Somebody Else is going to pay for it’. It doesn’t matter that her message makes no financial sense – what matters is whether she can sell this message to enough primary voters to gain the nomination, followed by enough of the whole electorate to gain the Presidency. I’m guessing that, since a large part of the population effectively pays no Federal taxes now, and can therefore be easily persuaded that this, too, can be given to them for free, she is confident that, with a small number of additional Socialist true-believers who really, really wish that this plan could be true, she thinks she has enough support to win the nomination. I suspect that, once she has the nomination in the bag, her message will subtly re-focus to re-position her with the entire electorate, some of whom can actually do math and can figure that free stuff has to be paid for somehow. It’s what President Obama did successfully, twice, and what Hillary did as well – only the fact that she is such a horrible human being in so many other ways prevented her from winning, using this strategy. I do not get the impression that Ms Warren, while she is deeply, deeply wrong about many things, is a bad person, or at least, not in the corrupt and mendacious way that Mrs Clinton is. So it may well work for her.

    llater,

    llamas

  5. Well said, llamas.

    “she is confident that, with a small number of additional Socialist true-believers who really, really wish that this plan could be true, she thinks she has enough support to win the nomination”

    You can add that the legacy press will give her full support in this idiocy, as they too want a Lefty in charge. Though they don’t much care who. They believe they can control any Lefty pres.

  6. Thank you, Gamecock. Only to add that when you say

    “They believe they can control any Lefty pres.”

    That belief is grounded in solid experience. They were able to make President Obama dance the Tennessee Two-Step on any number of social issues, and President Clinton before him. Anybody with any on-the-ground experience in the US will attest that there simply was no ground-swell of massive popular support for gay marriage, gays in the military, Black Lives Matter, withdrawal from Iraq, climate-change action and many other things besides, that both Presidents acted upon – these issues were entirely ginned-up by the legacy media, based on their own soda-straw world views. And both Presidents were happy to go along for the quid-pro-quo that the legacy media would ignore the things that they did that would be unpopular with voters (if they ever found out about them) while simultaneously blaming Republicans for everything they possibly could. It’s a good deal. Warren would do well to take it – after all, it’s worked so well all this time. (Shades of Sir Humphrey)

    llater,

    llamas

  7. Warren’s reluctance to lie about the necessity of a tax increase is very much out of character, given that she lies about anything and everything whenever she thinks it will be to her advantage to do so.

  8. ”You can add that the legacy press will give her full support in this idiocy, as they too want a Lefty in charge. Though they don’t much care who.”

    They would prefer it isn’t an old white straight man, though at a pinch they would hold their noses and support one as long as he’s a Washington insider who plays by their rules. Partly I think it’s because 1st woman President, to the press, plays as a more compelling storyline and gives them plenty to vacuously witter about in pointless columns without having to do any actual journalistic reporting work.

  9. Government healthcare only makes sense if it provides more and/or better healthcare to people than an user-pays system. So it costs more and requires higher taxes.
    Whether or not you think the spending is justified, that needs to be the case – hence the Lib Dems campaigning for a rise in Income tax to pay for the NHS.

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