Amusing

Boris Johnson has told the EU that he is “not asking” for a “deeply corrosive” delay to Brexit, as he ordered a senior diplomat to send an unsigned photocopy of the request drawn up by MPs asking Brussels for an extension.

The Prime Minister phoned European leaders on Saturday night to declare that the letter MPs had forced the Government to send to Donald Tusk “is Parliament’s letter, not my letter”. A senior No 10 source said he was asking them to “invite Parliament to reconsider”, on the basis that “the best thing for the UK and Europe” is for Brexit to take place on Oct 31.

Obeying the letter of the law……fnarr, fnarr.

47 comments on “Amusing

  1. Not surprising really. No Tory PM was going to set a precedent for ignoring the law, even something as contemptible as the Surrender Bill (aka Benn Act). Not signing the request for extension and clearly explaining that it was Parliament asking, not the executive was pretty much expected.

    This does put it back in the EU’s court though, but it’s a bit of a lottery frankly. They don’t want their hands tainted with the blood of what they consider a solely British decision, but they also want an end to this one, way or another.

    Even I’m getting bored of this farce of a “Schrödinger’s Brexit”.

  2. Fucking Letwin wanker.

    Sure, but he’s got nothing to lose I guess, since he’s been ousted by the Tories and is leaving at the next election (hopefully soon). Hopefully, once we’re cleared of BRExit in November, there will be a serious inquiry into foreign collusion between MP’s and the EU.

    Cunts like Letwin deserve to spend some time in the chokey for what he’s done.

  3. Hopefully, once we’re cleared of BRExit in November, there will be a serious inquiry into foreign collusion between MP’s and the EU.

    While that would be nice, any inquiry will just be a whitewash – lessons will be learned, no-one will be at fault, it was unfortunate, etc – with no real punishment or consequences (and will cost millions).

    What this whole Brexit merry-go-round has shown, is that the entire political edifice is fetid and not fit for purpose. The Civil Service, the politicians, the judiciary, legacy press.
    All of them need a good hosing down – like cleaning the Augean stables – clear out and reform as required.

    I think this is vital to restore some faith in the government.

  4. Chernyy_Drakon: ’ What this whole Brexit merry-go-round has shown, is that the entire political edifice is fetid and not fit for purpose.’

    Amen!

  5. I’m pretty sure there’s an unspoken covenant among senior politicians in the UK that you don’t go after your predecessors. Else, how the hell is Blair not in prison? If that covenant gets broken then you’re only screwing yourself in future and you’ll end up with what they have in the Philippines where every former president ends up in court on corruption charges.

    So we won’t see any of these cunts get what they deserve without a complete removal and replacement of the establishment.

    Tempting to take things into our own hands huh…?

  6. While that would be nice, any inquiry will just be a whitewash – lessons will be learned, no-one will be at fault, it was unfortunate, etc – with no real punishment or consequences (and will cost millions).

    So at the very least we get lots and lots of publicity about Remainer MPs colluding with the EU and working directly against the democratic vote. Don’t underestimate the value of months or even years of this. A bargain at a few million pounds.

  7. Tempting to take things into our own hands huh…?

    Quite how Grieve, Letwin, Bercow et al think they will fare post-BRExit, wandering about the streets of London, I’m not sure. Any protection they have as MP’s will come to an end after they are kicked out (since post-parliamentary security arrangements only apply to ex-PM’s and NI Secretaries as I recall).

    Maybe this is a problem which resolves itself?

  8. To me Letwin just came across as petty, all he wanted was to make Boris send the letter.
    Do like the way Boris dealt with it though, the photocopy being a very nice touch.

  9. So to summarise how things stand – The government has complied with the Benn act but obviously made it very clear it doesn’t want an extension and will not negotiate with the EU for one. Parliament has delayed passing the Boris Deal. The law as it stands says we leave with no deal on the 31st. If the EU collude with Boris and refuse to grant an extension, what can Parliament do? If an extension is off the table, (as far as anyone can tell, of course there has to be the thought that they’d grant it at the 11th hour despite their refusals now) then either Boris brings his deal back and they vote for it, or the clock ticks down to zero. There isn’t time to force Boris out with a vote of no confidence before the 31st. Parliaments options appear to be narrowing to Leave under the Boris Deal or No Deal.

    Or am I missing something?

  10. So at the very least we get lots and lots of publicity about Remainer MPs colluding with the EU and working directly against the democratic vote. Don’t underestimate the value of months or even years of this. A bargain at a few million pounds.

    I would agree. Especially for folks like Hillary Benn who are in seemingly unassailable Labour constituencies. Trickle feeding his treason out in the newspapers in hearings leading up to a General Election might just stir enough of the “Pig wearing a Labour Rosette” crowd to vote for somebody else or abstain.

    Same applies to Yvette Cooper.

    Those MP’s who are want to quote the Edmund Burke line to the voters of Bristol about MP’s being representatives not delegates appear to have forgotten that Burke was ousted from Bristol and for the remainder of his parliamentary career, represented Malton (a pocket borough under the Marquess of Rockingham’s patronage).

    They clearly don’t like the version of democracy as determined by the plebs, so they should get it good and hard.

  11. “Tempting to take things into our own hands huh…?”

    Use what little power you have. Someone twats Letwin and you’re a witness, you give the police minimum co-operation. If you own a business, refuse to trade with him. If he’s about to step in a giant dog turd, let him. Say “traitor” if you see him out in the street.

    If everyone did this, life would become pretty intolerable for them, pretty quickly. Sadly, they won’t.

  12. @DJ Tempting to take things into our own hands huh…?

    No, the reason summarized in A Man for All Seasons. It’s a nice thought though, I’ll give you that.

    @BNiC the photocopy being a very nice touch.
    It was, and I really hope it was slightly skewed with grey at the edges.

  13. “Quite how Grieve, Letwin, Bercow et al think they will fare post-BRExit, wandering about the streets of London…

    Other than random moped gangs and other assorted stabbers and robbers, they’ll be fine in London. It was HM’s Govt ministers who needed protection in London yesterday; Letwin went out grinning and shaking hands.

    Outside London? Probably OK too.

  14. It was, and I really hope it was slightly skewed with grey at the edges.

    Perhaps with enough border to see it was being held in place by a hairy arse.

  15. I’m puzzled that it can be Parliament’s ;letter without the House of Lords discussing it. Anyone?

    Anyway, why hasn’t Boris taken the Commons to court? Get the Supreme Court tossers out of their beds on a Sunday morn to continue to run the country in the way they appear to claim is theirs.

  16. Not likely to meet Letwin but a fight might break out if he attacked me because I said he was a traitor. You know..

    Jim–Yes that seems about it. Force them to shit or get off the pot.. The scuttle is that he believes he has the numbers. I dislike his shite deal but it seems the only game in town. If Treason May was there still lying (sic) facedown and begging the EU to stick it up her back passage then I would be more confident of a TBP voting revolution. But BoJo has brought lots of Tories–My-Daddy -voted-Tory types like Theo– back to the fold and TBP will just use up millions of leave votes without much effect.

    I said Brexit was only ever round one. We are in a fight against the scum of the left who we have–because of our failure to notice and inaction– allowed to infiltrate everywhere. And behind them the ecofreak utilising Globo elite whose Agenda is feudalism. It is a fight that will take the rest of out lives and likely our kids lives. If we win it will be only a short while before the next evil arises. Such is life.

    On a less philosophical note Boris could solve all his TBP problems and stop the “Treason’s Porker with lipstick” complaints by appointing Farage as the Chief of the delegation going to negotiate the FTA agreement with the EU.

  17. Or am I missing something?

    Jim, I think Labour are going to try to attach a second referendum amendment to Boris’s EU treaty. Though this may just be a tactic to later say Brexit wasn’t democratic should their amendment fail.

    I think the only way an actual Brexit happens is an accidental default no deal on the 31st. Delay, whether caused by years of “negotiations” following Boris’s deal or parliament/EU can kicking, will just result in us being stuck in forever in one form or another.

  18. Jim said:
    “Parliaments options appear to be narrowing to Leave under the Boris Deal or No Deal. Or am I missing something?”

    Two obvious worries:
    1) The EU accepts the Benn Act letter’s request for an extension (possibly through collusion with Remainer MPs).
    2) A Remainer Act of Parliament removes the default no-deal exit from legislation (either through another Benn Act takeover or by an amendment to the Boris Deal Bill).

    They’re the obvious dangers, but they are probably also cooking up som technical shenanigans as well.

  19. If ANY bullshit amendments are put on the docket pull the deal vote until Friday. It hasn’t been voted on yet and if Bercow rules it can’t come back then its No Deal. Keep pulling until it is debated as is or No Deal arrives.

    If the traitorous cunts try any new Bills –let them. Make it clear that any such WILL be talked out and Royal Assent will be delayed or even refused. Fuck “not since 1708” –not since the 17th Century has such a House of Traitors sat and outstayed their welcome.

  20. Anyway, why hasn’t Boris taken the Commons to court? Get the Supreme Court tossers out of their beds on a Sunday morn to continue to run the country in the way they appear to claim is theirs.

    I’d expect the Supreme Court to rule that there’s an extension regardless of whether one has been approved by the HoC or the EU. After all, they didn’t care about the rule of law when it came to Johnson’s prorogation of Parliament.

  21. If the supreme court was expected to rule on an EU issue how many of them would have an interest in the result?

  22. Dearime: “I’m puzzled that it can be Parliament’s letter without the House of Lords discussing it. Anyone?”

    The letter is laid out in the Schedule to the Benn Surrender Act, which the House of Lords passed.

  23. Letwin and other Tory remainers now saying they will vote for Boris’s “great new deal”. Does this not shake anyone’s faith in it?

    Looks like we are to remain under the EU heel after all. Shit.

  24. I don’t think so PJF–yes it aint good–but as many on here have pointed we have 450 traitors in the House of Scum.

    Getting out is symbolic and symbols matter .

    Remember also that the purpose of Treason May’s turd was to enable the EU to kick us in the wallet so we would–she and her EU masters hoped– crawl back.

    She had made it to be PM– Head Girl for Daddy– and was not likely to have hung on long had her turd dropped as she is diabetic etc.

    So the next few years of economic battery from them visited upon us would not have damaged her fucking pension or Hedgefund Hubbies cash. She should care.

    Johnson wants to be next PM. If deal was as bad.as Treason’s how would five years of them giving us an economic kicking–under a deal that he touted and is responsible for–and indeed proclaimed “great” and “new”–help him or the fucking Tory Party?

    We are far from finished–see my post above–this is a war. El Alamain didn’t end WW2 in one go. Would you then class it as a loss not a victory? And a step to ultimate victory.

  25. “Or am I missing something?”

    Government is unconstrained. They will do what they want to do. As they have displayed since the vote to leave.

  26. A second referendum would be disgusting and antidemocratic. It would add an additional 6 months of delay and uncertainty to the process at vast cost and would settle nothing. But I’ve no doubt that the margin for Leave would be much greater than the first – probably around 60:40. The people have had enough.

  27. “Government is unconstrained.”

    On the contrary, the UK Government is quite constrained, as we are finding out. And while Parliament is indeed unconstrained in that it can always legislate what a majority decide, and can never bind its successors, it is in this instance constrained by the practical reality of time and existing laws. There are 11 days to the 31st, which is not enough to remove the Prime Minister via a vote of No Confidence. In order to remove the 31st deadline they would have to revoke the legislation that invoked A50 in the first place, which I doubt there would be enough votes for (and indeed may require EU agreement). Neither is extending A50 within their grasp – that also has to be agreed with the EU, so unilateral action is not possible.

    So in practical reality, Parliament’s options are rapidly closing – vote for the Boris Deal, vote against the Boris Deal and hope that the EU will agree to the photocopied request to extend A50. If they didn’t No Deal it would be.

  28. @CJ Nerd October 20, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    it was the Remain campaign that made me vote Leave. I followed the campaign, and kept waiting for Remain to come out with something that that wasn’t either an insult, or an absurd prediction of disaster. That moment didn’t arrive.

    +1

    I found the Remain campaign astounding in how they had nothing positive to say about EU or it’s future direction; in fact they denied any changes would happen – EU was set in aspic

    Remainers defaced the Queens head
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC4oupZLrfg

    Mass Mob of Plod order Danny to not remove defacement stickers & illegal placards and leave area

  29. @PJF October 20, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    +1

    Yep – Barnier, Cameron, Grieve, Junker, Letwin, May, Tusk, Vardakar, Verhof all delighted – say’s more than 100,000 words

    @Mr Ecks

    Johnson’s Surrender Treaty enables the EU to kick us in the wallet and stymie real trade deals with other countries

    May’s Surrender Treaty
    BREXIT – Boris Johnson: “This deal is a national humiliation that makes a mockery of Brexit”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_l_y1MyyAI

    Ignoring NI Backstop EU diversion tactic – Johnson’s Surrender Treaty differs where?

    .
    Nigel Dodds tells Johnson ‘weariness’ not an excuse for ‘weakness’ on Brexit – bored of Brexit, vote for this has been Remainers tactic – don’t let them win. Clean Brexit is only solution to uphold vote.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSB-9cLfrus

    Jim mentions boredom – all part of the EU & Remainer game plan – wear public down so much we give up and accept whatever crumbs they throw us. I fear you’ve accepted the crumbs.
    .

    Answer this: If we’re out and free of EU, why was Johnson boasting EU agreed we could remove VAT from tampons in this “better” Treaty?

  30. BniC

    To me Letwin just came across as petty, all he wanted was to make Boris send the letter.
    Do like the way Boris dealt with it though, the photocopy being a very nice touch.

    The only reason they went for this amendment was they fucked up in the original Benn bill because they all assumed that Boris (a) wasn’t interested in a deal and (b) the EU wouldn’t negotiate. Now they’re embarrassed because he did both.

    Jim

    “Government is unconstrained.”

    On the contrary, the UK Government is quite constrained, as we are finding out. And while Parliament is indeed unconstrained in that it can always legislate what a majority decide, and can never bind its successors, it is in this instance constrained by the practical reality of time and existing laws. There are 11 days to the 31st, which is not enough to remove the Prime Minister via a vote of No Confidence. In order to remove the 31st deadline they would have to revoke the legislation that invoked A50 in the first place, which I doubt there would be enough votes for (and indeed may require EU agreement). Neither is extending A50 within their grasp – that also has to be agreed with the EU, so unilateral action is not possible.

    AIUI they have a maximum of 14 days, but there’s nothing stopping them having a VONC in Boris and then in the same sitting having a VOC for Corbyn or some other stooge. HMQ will then be obliged to appoint them PM.

  31. Pcar your lIttle links are all very nice. I gave you the question to answer above and you have not answered it but keep parroting the same untruths –such as your claims about trade deals.The “treaty” is for 2 years and replaced by a FTA. It does not allow them to stop our trade deals –so stop saying it does.

    BiND-As for the VONC others say differently. Unless you can quote a source?

  32. Tomorrow it seems Bercow will try to block a deal vote so that WAB comes up Tuesday and the scum can amend with second vote. He does not actually have the right to do that by convention but he will. So only one obstacle now remains. Bercow himself.

    Arresting Bercow on any charge would fix his wagon. He would no longer BE Speaker until it was sorted and a decent deputy exists. If I were BoJo rather than lose it all for the sake of conventions my foes were wiping their arses on I would act.

  33. @Mr Ecks October 20, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    Pcar your lIttle links are all very nice. I gave you the question to answer above and you have not answered it

    You asked on another thread, not above. See:
    http://www.timworstall.com/2019/10/18/but-whats-wrong-with-chlorinated-chicken/#comment-900439

    My untruths? Farage say’s it’s Surrender Treaty 2

    The “treaty” is for 2 years and replaced by a FTA

    Whut? Where in Treaty is that? I’ve not heard Johnson or Raab claim that. BDS?

    It does not allow them [EU] to stop our trade deals

    But it does prevent “real” trade deals as we’re bound by regulatory alignment and “level playing field” laws

    Oliver Letwin says it’s “A Really Good Deal”, Amber Rudd say’s “Let’s back it”, RoI’s Vardaker supports it…

    @12m 57s Gove gulping when confronted with Johnson’s promise not long ago. Fool – cows/animals are tiny part of NI/GB trade

    You trust Letwin, Rudd and Vardaker now?

    .
    Answer this: If we’re out and free of EU, why was Johnson boasting EU agreed we could remove VAT from tampons in this “better” Treaty?

  34. @Mr Ecks October 20, 2019 at 11:31 pm

    Still not answered the question Pcar.

    I refer you to my previous reply. Answer was provided in debate you raised question in.

  35. “So in practical reality, Parliament’s options are rapidly closing – vote for the Boris Deal, vote against the Boris Deal and hope that the EU will agree to the photocopied request to extend A50. If they didn’t No Deal it would be.”

    There is no reality. We are living the surreal. I say you will still be in the EU 1 November. I don’t know how, but the establishment will find a way.

  36. Scotland’s highest court is to consider whether Prime Minister Boris Johnson has fully complied with a law requiring him to ask for a Brexit delay.

    He sent an unsigned letter to Brussels asking for an extension along with a signed letter saying he believed a further delay would be a mistake.

    The Court of Session will be asked to decide whether this broke a promise not to “frustrate” the so-called Benn Act.

    It won’t happen but the court should tell the, to fuck off. Parliament has had 3 months to sack Boris and call a GE or install another government. It chose not to and therefore should accept the PM its got.

  37. BiND

    I’m more amused by what happens if the court decides that Boris has transgressed.

    Will it tell him that he’s been very naughty? Will it ‘make him’ send a signed letter – ooh er, Matron? Will it force Boris to tell Merkel that he really, really, really meant it…

    Whatever the court does, unless it ignores it, it could start to make the thing look like a farce (at least to the majority of normal people), which is probably to Boris’s advantage?

  38. “AIUI they have a maximum of 14 days, but there’s nothing stopping them having a VONC in Boris and then in the same sitting having a VOC for Corbyn or some other stooge. HMQ will then be obliged to appoint them PM.”

    But not until after the 31st, by which time we’d have left under No Deal. Under the Fixed Parliament Act Boris has 14 days post VoNC to try to assemble another government. If at the end of that 14 days another viable government is available HMQ can appoint them. But not before. As I understand it anyway……..

  39. “I say you will still be in the EU 1 November. I don’t know how, but the establishment will find a way.”

    Which precisely makes my point that the government is constrained. It wants to leave on the 31st, but can’t…………….

  40. Jim, I think Gamecock was using the US definition of government – comprising executive, legislature and judiciary (wherein Pelosi is as much the government as Trump).

    Here, no matter the formal arrangement, we commonly regard only the executive as the government (Boris is in government, Corbyn is in opposition).

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