Significant delusion

The Labour Party will be a meaner, nastier place without Tom Watson

That’s like saying the Labour Party will be a less honest place without Dennis MacShane. It’s not just the wibble of the statement itself it’s got the wrong sign in the front of it.

15 comments on “Significant delusion

  1. Socialism is a evil murdering cult and those in it are either fools or absolute scum.

    One less former fat–now slightly less fat– lying remainiac SOS bastard –is neither here nor there.

  2. And of course he is the cunt who was going to battle Marxist takeover of ZaNu to his dying breath–and is now to what–flog diet books?

  3. As far as the journalist is concerned, Tom Watson’s career began as deputy leader and Blairite hero battling the forces of Corbynism-Stalinism.

    No reference to his role as Gordon Brown’s bovver boy or his cynical use of parliamentary privilege to champion “Nick” and make political mischief. The hurt to the good name of Leon Brittan, Lord Bramall, Harvey Proctor and others was the responsibility of mean and nasty men.

    The writer didn’t need to search far in the archive of her own paper to find this out.

  4. The guy who used parliamentary privilege to call people paedos?

    This does mark the endgame for the Labour party, though. The commies are now in control. And they aren’t going to let go of it. They’ll stay in control, even as the ship sinks. A decade from now, the Lib Dems will be HM opposition.

    The problem with the Labour Party is that its original reason for existence, supporting industrial Labour via trade unions, is gone.It survived after that by Blair pretty much turning it into the SDP, but the pragmatic membership of old fitters and boiler makers is pretty much gone and it’s Dave Sparts now. Even if Corbyn goes, they’ll just elect another commie.

  5. The problem with the Labour Party is that its original reason for existence, supporting industrial Labour via trade unions, is gone

    They could still represent the working class but they don’t really want to, simply because those that now dominate the party (and started to take control in the early 1970s) despise the indigenous working class and what they still believe in.

    The middle-class, Metropolitan, internationalist modern Labour Party will one day discover much of its voter base has left them. Maybe Brexit will be the trigger for this.

  6. A decade from now, the Lib Dems will be HM opposition.

    Not so fast…. losing continuously does have an effect. Your twenty something student trots who decide to give it a go as politicians start to a) moderate with aged (some of them anyway) b) start going after actual power which means votes. And the clever ones can actually swing things in the end. Half of the battle in the middle aged parliamentary labour party is …. you used to believe this too vs surely you don’t believe that anymore.

  7. A decade from now, the Lib Dems will be HM opposition.

    And being hollowed out by the marxists. They ain’t going to stop at Labour. They didn’t stop at the Tory Party.

  8. Hallowed Be,

    “Not so fast…. losing continuously does have an effect. Your twenty something student trots who decide to give it a go as politicians start to a) moderate with aged (some of them anyway) b) start going after actual power which means votes. And the clever ones can actually swing things in the end. Half of the battle in the middle aged parliamentary labour party is …. you used to believe this too vs surely you don’t believe that anymore.”

    But you don’t get clever student trots any longer. There was a time, until the late 1980s, when lots of clever people thought socialism was a good idea. But that’s gone. The smart people are left of centre, roughly where Blair was.

    And they aren’t going to get into Labour as candidates or MPs. It’s being overrun by the Corbynistas and a membership that likes him. And these aren’t Labour Until I Die people. They aren’t part of the union and connected to that. They’re either ageing nutters or students who will just grow out of it.

    If the LDs win in some Conservative/LD marginals (and I think they will) and take a load of 2nd places, or get close behind Labour, the gravity starts to shift fast. You’re a smart young thing, do you sign up with a load of Jew hating dinosaurs, or a party that’s going places?

  9. Harvey Proctor was is standing in that constituency and there was a lot of speculation in political journalism that Watson could be facing a Portillo moment as the constituency poll numbers were quite narrow.

    Shame, that would have made my election night.

  10. BoM4 – “you don’t get clever student trots anymore” what? even at Oxbridge?

    The real danger is losing the FPTP. The incentive to change the party in order to get a sniff of power is wiped out.

  11. @BoM4

    I present as evidence:

    Child Pidcock

    So i’ we win we will deci’ wha’ our Brexi’ policy is af’er a speshul confrence, so incre’ible, so no’ abou’ me, so impor’an’

    A next Gov’t minister, really? A Vacuous Airhead

    One wonders how Falconer, Starmer etc can still support Corbyn when they listen to their Shadow Cabinet infantile colleagues – Pidcock, Long-Bailey, Rayner, Burgon etc

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