30 comments on “Global warming

  1. @Dennis

    Is it the same in the US? Here, there are frequent terrifying media reports of arctic conditions, floods, plagues of frogs etc which will be ‘hitting the UK’ only for closer inspection to reveal it’s happening in Scotland which, lets be honest, not many people care about.

  2. Here it is predicted that the East Coast is going to bear the brunt of it. Which is fine, the East Coast deserves everything it gets, and then some.

  3. I wish the cabal of globalists/leftist/greenist could make their mind up if its global cooling (70s/80s), warming (90s/00s) or climate change (current)?

  4. I shouldn’t be in the least surprised if we are entering another Little Ice Age.

    That would be a lot better than entering another pukka Ice Age, mind.

  5. If the scientists predicting a coming Grand Solar Minimum in the next few years are correct and those that predict colder global temperatures as a consequence of this are also correct, then a Little Ice Age is very much on the cards.

    Luckily our politicians, civil servants and academics have decreed that we should destroy our wealth creating cheap, reliable energy infrastructure and thus we will be reliant on expensive, unreliable renewable energy sources.

    So, in twenty years time, as we shiver in the cold and dark we can be grateful in the knowledge that at least we are saving the planet.

    Of course no-one else will be saving the planet – even the Germans are stepping back from the brink and installing coal fired generators – so the climate will carry on as before, but our wise elites have passed a law so we will definitely doing our bit.

  6. I shouldn’t be in the least surprised if we are entering another Little Ice Age.

    That would be a lot better than entering another pukka Ice Age, mind.

    There is an argument that the CO2e that we are pumping in to the atmosphere is staving off the ice age that was being predicted in the ’70s.

  7. Dearie me – I don’t think there is any doubt about it.

    Plus, the chill will extend to economic growth, and individual liberties.

  8. They are all complete fucking loons – I suspect there is little disagreement on that around here – but I’m more relaxed than some about us all freezing in the future.

    At the point that the penny starts to drop (and which is when a lot of of the nutters will hopefully get sectioned), I am guessing that it doesn’t take too long to knock up (if the will is there) a dozen or more coal or gas fired devices, or whatever is quickest to provide suitable remedy. It won’t all have to be instant as any substantial energy deficit is likely to be a gradual process.

    Because even our most retarded politicians will quickly come to realise that the lights / heating cannot simply be switched off (#) without – as one might put it – “consequences”?

    So, as I say, I’m fairly relaxed, the penny will undoubtedly drop at some point.

    (# – pricing into oblivion, rather than switched off, would have the same end effect).

  9. Because even our most retarded politicians will quickly come to realise that the lights / heating cannot simply be switched off (#) without – as one might put it – “consequences”?

    Only if major incidents occur soon and severely, PF. If there’s a winter grid failure within the next five years that results in lots of elderly and young dying, then there’ll be a reaction against this crap. But if it all declines slowly until a dangerous point then the people will be indoctrinated and acclimatised to failure and suffering. The commies did fine with swathes of their people starving and freezing to death.

  10. As I’ve said before this is the decade in which the “consequences” will start in earnest. All the easy stuff had been done. The switch to renewables has been done, now we have two generating systems, one for when the wind blows, and sun shines, and one for when it doesn’t. It was stupid, unnecessary but in the grand scheme of things just froze few thousand pensioners a few months sooner than they’d otherwise have popped their clogs. With the BBC running interference most of the anger was successfully deflected to the “greedy” energy companies (much of it deserved as well).

    But now the population is going to feel it. It’s not just Global Warming though, with the spread of the ULEZ in London to the North and South Circular boundaries, hundreds of thousands are going to be either priced out of their cars, or forced to make expensive upgrades. I think that’ll be a useful test. I expect a lot of muttering, but I doubt there’ll be riots in the streets. Each change just slices off a little part of the population at a time. The excrement is really going to have to hit the air extraction device before it kicks off, if it ever does.

  11. There is an argument that the CO2e that we are pumping in to the atmosphere is staving off the ice age that was being predicted in the ’70s.

    Well the modellers don’t seem to be going in for it, cos the “aha! We turned the CO2 terms of the model off! This is what the climate definately would have done without all that CO2 you denialists (even though we wriggle-fitted the graph so we have no idea but we’re great so shut up)” graphs don’t show a descent into an ice age.

  12. @KevinB The problem is that when we do get the cold temperatures, the Greenies will use it and say that it was all down to the success of their campaigns. We need to continue to be able prove that their campaigns were useless and pointless.

    @IanReid It’s the boiling frog analogy. People won’t realise that they being controlled until it’s too late. Its a deliberate plan by politicians and Greenies to chip away at different things rather than do it all at once. The problem with politicians and Greenies is that when people do realise they’ve been controlled the wrong way, the reaction will not be pleasent.

  13. Coal vs Oil

    Glancing through latest Home Hardware flyer noticed this:

    Coal – 20kg £6.99
    Logs – 21kg £11.99

    Logs 72% more expensive a heck of difference, more so as coal has 50%-100% more heat per kilo

    Thus, wood is x2 to x3 more expensive than coal for heating, elec gen…

    Sooner this expensive green waste of money ends the better

    Over in Canada
    The Greens declare war on farmers – “Carbon” Tax on farmers

    Climate Barbie: “No tilling….. smart tilling”

  14. Re the ULEZ, why is the Lud jalopy exempt, but when I park there’s a surcharge because of the vehicle’s diesel engine?

  15. Crumbs (it’s been a while since I regularly used to look at this site), wind is currently cranking out 10GW!

    Doesn’t change the argument of course (it’s needs pretty much 100% backup (infrastructure) for those cold high pressure January evenings), but it does mean that we must have pissed away some very serious amounts of dosh on it recently.

    Ian Reid

    Your comment “mostly done” suddenly makes a whole lot more sense to me in this context.

  16. PJF: ” The commies did fine with swathes of their people starving and freezing to death.”

    Depressing, but true. Even worse, the people starving and freezing to death did not raise a stink.

    The horrible example today is the State of California. Within living memory, it was a wonderful place — arguably one of the best places on the planet for ordinary men & women. Now it is a decrepit pig sty, and yet the politicians who have driven the State into the ditch have no fears about being voted out of office — let alone fears about ropes & lampposts.

  17. Because even our most retarded politicians will quickly come to realise that the lights / heating cannot simply be switched off (#) without – as one might put it – “consequences”?

    That’s very optimistic. The Guardian will never realise and therefore the 75% of our politicians who read it won’t.

  18. Eco impoverishment is already underway. Starting with taking cars away from the least well off.

    MOT costs are increased yearly with old cars to be targeted by emissions bullshit.

    They have got their shite to the young and dumb. But the French aren’t having it so we need to do the same. And we know it can be done.

    After Brexit–(being confident–more now than before)–we need a new populist Party singing from the same hymn sheet.

    Anti-migrant and anti-eco freak are the two minimums all need to be agreed on. Unfortunately that lets out a large chunk of both BlueLabour and TBP which has lots of marx-mouthing dross among its candidates. They MAY be sound on Brexit but many are NOT about anything else and mouth the standard Marxist clichés all too readily. UKIP and For Britain might be a place to start from but unless society is purged of marx-warped wankers and the “educational” source cut off, the odds are not good. Europe has large numbers of newish populist Parties on the go. We should be able to put something together.

  19. This is why ‘global warming’ morphed into ‘climate change’ — there wasn’t any more warming so something else had to be invented in order to allow the fat controllers to keep their snouts in the trough. And ‘climate change’ is pretty much undeniable because the one thing that all the historical data we have agrees on is that the climate changes constantly. Including in the thousands of years of ice-cap data that we have from before the industrial revolution (which coïncided with the last mini-ice-age, hence the warmists like to use it as a baseline ‘cos it was abnormally cold)

  20. Ecks

    “Europe has large numbers of newish populist Parties on the go. We should be able to put something together.”

    FPTP

    “unless society is purged of marx-warped wankers and the “educational” source cut off, the odds are not good.”

    I suspect many would concur. But, with regard to good alternatives, including core objectives (you listed two), there may be less agreement? And, from which as above, FPTP will fatally hinder effective change without new ideas as to how to beat it. I don’t disagree with the underlying sentiment one jot.

  21. @PF: FPTP is an impediment to a new party getting established. But once it has exceeded a critical mass in a few seats, whoosh! It can rocket up.

    The thing that’s useless is, say, 10% support evenly distributed. Even then, if the 10% were somehow to be persuaded that they’re loyal followers of a leadership who would instruct them on tactical voting, then whooshing might again be possible.

  22. BBC4 is showing a documentary on Thursday which claims to tell the truth about Climategate. Since this is the BBC I expect it will be a succession of the usual suspects (I.e. Michael Mann) saying “Nothing to see here!”.

  23. DM

    I agree.

    Ecks made the point that “Europe has large numbers of newish populist Parties on the go. We should be able to put something together.”

    Well, actually, it’s not like we haven’t at various stages. UKIP gained 4 million votes in 2015 despite that 4 million pretty much knowing that FPTP was going to render those votes meaningless when it came to real MPs. But you are right, even that wasn’t critical enough for this purpose. It’s a tough act to pull off.

    Different scenario, but even the SDP/Liberal coalition’s 26% in 2003 wasn’t enough for what they intended at the time (which was to displace Labour)…

    Someone suggested (in the DT or Speccy yesterday) that TBP might focus initially on “Coastal and Coal” (ie fisheries & old mining type). Ie, for gaining seats, start off with something that might gain traction in the most likely seats and take it from there. Of course, right now, Brexit is what’s important, but the principle feeds into your point above about concentrating effort, rather than diluting a larger national percentage.

  24. @PF November 12, 2019 at 12:11 am

    Wind/Solar needs 110% backup, all – except diesel* – running (and emitting CO2) at idle speed.

    * without hydro near instant we’d have daily blackouts

    @Mr Womby

    Thanks for tip. No doubt Attenburk, Moonbat, Packrat and Brian Coxk will be howling

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