Language inflation

It’s a strange morning for politics. It’s time to reflect on the ultra-right of British politics in the form of the Brexit Party has announced its alignment with what is now the far-right in the form of the rump of the Tory Party

If we’ve already used far- and ultra- then what do we say about UKIP etc?

As to what he’s complaining about, it’s the idea that political parties might collaborate in order to gain the best effect.

You know, entirely unlike that progressive alliance of Lib Dems, Greens, PC and all that he was praising two days back.

As we all know, when you’re praising who is doing it, not what is being done, then you’re being a hack.

65 comments on “Language inflation

  1. Come on Dicky, come clean. Why not just be truthful and call them counts. As in country by country reporting…

  2. So 47% of the British electorate is going to vote for the far-right or ultra-right?

    Bloody hell, where’s me shorts?

  3. Would you have any problem calling Jeremy Corbyn`s version of the Labour Party hard left ? Should we rename a political position we have been accustomed to think of as extreme as moderate merely because FPTP has excluded moderate views from representation
    I would say that jettisoning forty years of work in creating a unique and advantageous trading role for the UK because a few old ladies don`t like Polish plumbers was extreme yesterday and remains so today. Prioritising ethnic purity over every other considerations strikes me as immoderate by its nature and forcing the whole country over a cliff edge against the most profound wishes of every productive part of the country is of its essence , ultra .

  4. The last ultra right leaders in Europe were General Franco and Salazar, who would regard any of the current crop of “ultra right” as hopelessly contaminated with liberal democracy, the “progressive “ left on the other hand with their enthusiasm for deplatforming, criminalising dissent via “hate speech” and using state owned propaganda outfits are kin.

  5. @Newmania…

    Would you have any problem calling Jeremy Corbyn`s version of the Labour Party hard left ?

    No. He’s a Marxist and his shadow chancellor is a Maoist. By any stretch of the imagination that’s “hard left”.

    “Extreme Right” however, tends to be a perjoritive replacement for “Wah!! I don’t like it!”. Looking at the distinctly broad church from which TBP has drawn its candidates there’s no way it could be positioned sensibly anywhere on the right/left spectrum and classing it as “extreme right” is merely the lazy use of english by incompetent commentators – much as those who described the BNP as “hard right” without realising that its manifesto read much like the Michael Foot Labour manifesto of 1983, just with added racism.

    Your view of Brexit is, it appears to one, to be somewhat hysterical.

  6. Newmania – I ran your text through an AI and the bad news is the robots have already taken your job:

    I would say that jettisoning forty years of work in creating a unique and advantageous trading role for the UK because a few old ladies don`t like Polish plumbers was extreme yesterday and remains so today. Prioritising ethnic purity over every other considerations strikes me as immoderate by its nature and forcing the whole country over a cliff edge against the most profound wishes of every productive part of the country is of its essence , ultra vires and cannot stand.

    For the time being , we`re going to play by their rules, as they`re playing by theirs. If the EU is in fact a European Union and not a single market with a common customs union and no trade tariffs for a large majority of the EU countries that means that we must be in the single market and not the customs union with its many internal barriers.

    Then it said something about traveling back in time to kill the mother of the resistance, Sarah Farage or summat. Hopefully she’s able to handle cybernetic spotty twerps.

  7. First past the post truly is glorious. Do all the dealing you like prior to the election. If you’ve got a pact- good for you, people can vote on it. political parties are pacts in themselves. You agree what’s important and disagree on lesser items. We vote on your priorities too. i.e. Lib Dem’s don’t think much of wales remaining in the UK so long as UK stays in EU. Fine. Now over to us the public and then back to you again with the numbers that matter.

  8. The Tory party is a Blairite liberal party with a reluctant commitment to Brexit.

    You’d have to be even thicker than Spudda to think that commitment made it hard right.

  9. I reckon Newmania wrote this thesis:

    “This study examines British television situation comedy over the last fifteen years and analyses the genre as part of a discourse about the nature of modernity. In this period globalisation, technology and the rapid reassessment of formerly established social structures have created new modes of everyday existence that represent significant changes to people’s lives. The thesis argues that contemporary sitcoms address these shifts in social understanding and anxieties about contemporary British life. A wide range of texts are discussed, four in particular detail; Peep Show, Love Soup, Saxondale and Home Time; which explicitly try to form a dialogue with their audience about living in modernity.”

    British Situation Comedy and “The Culture of the
    New Capitalism”
    Submitted by Philip John Wickham to the University of Exeter, as a thesis for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in English, January 2013.

  10. In case of doubt, I am struggling to find any examples of how my everyday life has changed in any significant ways over the last 20 years other than the available technology. I don’t think my life is significantly different from that of my father’s. My anxieties would have been much the same as his etc. In other words, the entire thesis must be bollocks, which brings us back to facepainter

  11. a few old ladies don`t like Polish plumbers

    17.4 million old ladies. This must be that ageing population I keep reading about.

  12. It’s worth bearing in mind that Dignity are blaming their poor results on the “stubbornly low number of deaths in the first half of the year. The number of deaths in the third quarter was broadly in line with last year, but management warned that even if deaths in the fourth quarter of the year were 1 per cent above last year, the total for the year would still come in 3.7 per cent below the previous years, at the lowest level since 2014.”

    The Remoaners can’t even get that right, the evil tossers

  13. People don’t have a problem with Polish plumbers Newbs, many do have a problem with the millions of Africans and Asians who’ve been imported into England and have proceeded to violently assault, rape, physically and sexually abuse English people by the hundreds of thousands. However, for whatever reason, the people haven’t been allowed a vote on that so they’ve had to express their anger in another form.

  14. I find it endlessly fascinating how some people do not understand how dialogue & debate works. You’re really not going to convince people of your point of view by labelling their point of view extreme & detestable. You just end up with a very small audience of just those who share your exact point of view & alienate pretty well anyone else. Essentially you drive them in the direction of your enemy’s camp. They identify more with what you oppose than what you advocate.

    As for Newmonia, I’m firmly convinced he’s a troll in the actual meaning of the word. By the results he gets, quite a good one. Since he’s such a good idea of which buttons to push I’d guess the person behind Newmonia’s more of the persuasion of the people here than the mindset he adopts. That said, he does provoke some interesting discussions. Our very own Tanya McGrath

  15. @ Diogenes
    Dignity plc’s PR team are trying to keep investors hopeful about its profitability: it’s going to get worse, especially as operating and financial gearing bite harder when revenue declines.
    The Institute and Faculty of Actuaries reported a couple of weeks ago that mortality rates in the first three quarters had improved (reduced) by 4.9%. Zero press coverage. Last week a report that in the period to *2017* UK’s mortality improvement had lagged other rich countries: media coverage that failed to mention that it was two years out-of-date and included a hard winter with extra deaths.,

  16. In case of doubt, I am struggling to find any examples of how my everyday life has changed in any significant ways over the last 20 years other than the available technology. I don’t think my life is significantly different from that of my father’s

    I think that’s more telling us where you live than anything about the UK in general, Diogenese. There’s parts of UK cities have changed beyond recognition in recent times.

  17. Unique trading position you Facepainting fuckwit? Paying 30 bil a year to be bossed about by arrogant bureaucratic turds who themselves crawl to Marxist cunt Merkel?

    You are braindead scum chum.

  18. Unique trading position you Facepainting fuckwit? Paying 30 bil a year to be bossed about by arrogant bureaucratic turds who themselves crawl to Marxist cunt Merkel?

    You are braindead scum chum.

    I can’t see what it is about this country which compels you to spend your time in front of a mirror in the hopes of catching a glimpse of yourself. The world is too big to comprehend one’s self, to give one’s self to one another, to do good for good people is a sin. The right has destroyed our country, the left is destroying our country, the middle is destroying our country, and all the politicians will soon join them and they are all the same, they are all worthless morons. You’re only worth what you can get in the hands of those who can buy your body.

    Fuck that shit.

    Fuck that shit. Fuck that shit.

    Fuck that shit.

    Fuck that shit.

    Fuck that shit.

  19. “People don’t have a problem with Polish plumbers Newbs, many do have a problem with the millions of Africans and Asians who’ve been imported into England and have proceeded to violently assault, rape, physically and sexually abuse English people by the hundreds of thousands”

    And, seeing as the beardy imports ain’t from Europe, leaving the EU will (a) increase or (b) decrease the bearded imports? One word answer, please.

  20. For the first time in months, I went over to the Potato site to read the full post. What a barrage of delusional bullshit it is. His lackeys like it, however. I would suspect the twat wrote them himself but he is unable to write as cogently as his commenters.

    One thing struck me. His new photo is distinctly odd. He seems to be badly sunburnt and to have some kind of skin condition. Should we have a sweepstake on what disease he has?

  21. Bloke In Germany

    It will probably increase it because the Brexit State will wish to continue sloshing borrowed money around and its ability to do so would be severely curtailed by a sharp decease in overall inward migration. This “objective ” has already been quietly ditched.
    If you look at the grim forward growth figures the main variable between high and low estimates is the level of immigration but theres more ….
    Yup even from a knuckle dragging bigots point of view this is a bad idea. EU migration has actually increased the proportion of ethnic English in England reversing a long trend due to high birth rates and migration form the New Commonwealth .With EU workers and there small integrated English speaking families avoiding this theme park for the senile, we can expect to go back to the old pattern but worse.

  22. BiG:

    We voted the wrong way; so our rulers will punish us by increasing the number of rapists and murderers they bring in.

    Simple when you finally realise that our establishment hates us.

  23. “I would say that jettisoning forty years of work in creating a unique and advantageous trading role for the UK”

    I would say that jettisoning forty years of work in creating a unique and advantageous trading role for the rest of the EU to trade at advantage with the UK in goods and agricultural products without having yet created a single market in services at which the UK excels and for the rapacious destruction of our fishing resources all in return for us to pay them a fvcking fortune is a fvcking good idea. Why has it take us so long?

  24. Amusing to see Ritchie throwing his toys out of the pram at the prospect of a Conservative majority government. Does the Conservative manifesto having anything about clamping down on mickey mouse degrees and fake charities?

  25. Political ideology is a circle not a spectrum. The Tories have gone so far Right, they have met up with the Left.

    You do not believe me? Read their manifesto and see what they have been doing this last decade to freedom and economic liberty.

  26. without having yet created a single market in services at which the UK excels and

    There is a single market is services and while it may not be complete or perfect it is the first of new kind of free trade ..and we are now excluded

  27. new kind of free trade

    A new kind of free trade so innovative and marvellous that it is totally unrecognisable as such.

  28. There is a single market is services and while it may not be complete or perfect

    So, like a little bit pregnant then?

    Some might even call its incompleteness and imperfection, oh, something akin to protectionism, so rather ironic for a “single market” for which we pay billions

  29. So 47% of the British electorate is going to vote for the far-right or ultra-right?

    I suspect anyone who doesn’t favour massive nationalisation, full MMT and the confiscation, sorry re-investment of pensions into the pockets of ‘green’ clients is “far-right”. The “ultra-right” are people with the same views but who also think Murphy is a ludicrous bell-end.

  30. If I had a disease ( which I don`t) it would be a hip infection, thought I had Parkinson`s once , but I was just a bit shaken up……ok ok I have tv remote disease when I die they are going to bury me between the cushions on the sofa

    Bum tsk

  31. Rob

    You’d think someone who has visited Dachau would not lightly use terms like the far right. Clearly he was too overwhelmed by his own historical importance to appreciate its significance. Maybe time for a limited Kristallnacht in a certain small street in Ely as a reminder?

  32. @BiG

    ‘And, seeing as the beardy imports ain’t from Europe, leaving the EU will (a) increase or (b) decrease the bearded imports? One word answer, please.’

    Turkey is sending a bunch of Eurojihadists home as we speak. They and the 1.5 million Merkel importees – many decent people among them, no doubt, but also Cologne gropers and assorted other undesirables, as well and merely unemployable non English speakers – will be able to travel here as of right before very long if we remain in the EU.

    I don’t know any actual racists. I do know a lot of people who are quite concerned about the changes being wrougt on our country, and our inability to halt them. That said, it’s hard to imagine neighbourhoods of Lahore or Lagos being taken over by white people and the locals happily accepting it: maybe it’s something about percentages, behaviour and the human condition.

  33. @BF

    ‘You’d think someone who has visited Dachau would not lightly use terms like the far right.’

    Nothing to do with right-wing politics, BF. Right wing politics, properly understood, removes the state from as much of ours lives as possible. Left wing politics insinuates the state into as many areas as possible.

  34. I love this bit…

    I have long held the view that we need a government of national unity from the left to deliver the fundamental reform required to deliver the state we need if we are to survive as a nation, and deliver the Green New Deal. I see no sign of it. And that is an increasing cause for despair.

    Remember, first they’ll come for the Labour Party.

    But then they’ll come for democracy.

    And those who might have supported it.

    That’s the way these things work.

    And it’s happening now.

    What a Drama Queen.

  35. “the reform required to deliver the state we need if we are to survive as a nation, and deliver the Green New Deal.”
    That’s two different things that are mutually incompatible.

  36. On the subject of inflation, The Evening Standard is reporting that of the 120 flats in Grenfell Tower, there are 151 familes remaining waiting to be rehoused.

  37. I have long held the view that we need a government of national unity from the left to deliver the fundamental reform required to deliver the state we need if we are to survive as a nation

    Well, there’s a fucking General Election in a month, here’s your chance.

    “Government of National Unity from the left” Lol. Even less plausible then the “German Democratic Republic”.

  38. If it’s the same Newmania from C@W days, my recollection is that he moved from inner London to the Sussex commuter suburbs – presumably because he prefers the more diverse community at the local schools.

  39. @interested,

    Yeah, Turkey deported 10 German ISIS members to Germany today. They are quite right to do so.

    I very strongly advocate immediate cessation of all Islamic migration to Europe. On that I am part of a sound majority in Germany, and quite probably in Europe.

  40. @Diogenes November 12, 2019 at 12:08 pm

    Disagree. UK has changed a lot – for the worse – less freedom in thought, word and deed, more state interference and control

    eg hate speech, sex/religion/colour crime, green taxes/subsidies

    .
    @Anon November 12, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    Does ES say how many families have been rehoused?

  41. @BiG

    “@interested,

    Yeah, Turkey deported 10 German ISIS members to Germany today. They are quite right to do so.

    I very strongly advocate immediate cessation of all Islamic migration to Europe. On that I am part of a sound majority in Germany, and quite probably in Europe.”

    Yes and as I understand it your family background is in Islam? My own experiences in sandy countries very much inform my own view, but I wouldn’t end it all – there really are lots of very good muslim people. I would however make it conditional on moving here that you sign up to something saying the law of the land has primacy over any religious law, and that you are happy to leave if you change your mind, and I’d enforce it.

    (The current Turkey to Germany trickle is just a taste I suspect.)

  42. The number of German national jihadis in or heading to Turkey isn’t more than a couple of thousand. The chilling effects on western liberal cultures however you choose to define it, of a million non jihadis a year would be very rapidly catastrophic.

  43. national unity from the left

    The only thing that unites the left is calling other people Nazi, and even then they squabble about who is the true Nazi Finder General and has condemned more people.

    Its an old joke usually told about Trots, but if 3 groups of lefties went in to a room to agree a peace deal 5 would come out and they’d hate each other even more intensely.

    And as for Spud talking about unity, the only unity around him is when he’s on his own.

  44. But then they’ll come for democracy.

    Remember, these are the people who want to suppress the Referendum result, and who beclowned themselves for months in their desperation to avoid a General Election.

  45. I see that in response to the flooding, Corbyn has promised to spend £10trillion to guarantee dry weather and sunshine all year round for the under 25s.

  46. @BiG

    ‘The number of German national jihadis in or heading to Turkey isn’t more than a couple of thousand. The chilling effects on western liberal cultures however you choose to define it, of a million non jihadis a year would be very rapidly catastrophic.’

    I think both would be bad and thus I’m against both. But I’m not against muslim immigration per se and, without wanting to appear too woke about it, how could you be? The key thing is no immigration without a job to come to (or maybe a uni place), and no-one already here able to do it, no chain migration, and no citizenship until you’ve proved you deserve it (applying to everyone) allied to rapid deportation where necessary (which means doing something about our courts and the HRA). Plus as above, no putting the law of your sky fairy above the law of the land.

  47. Wrong Interested.

    They are a multi-level marketing takeover cult and have been at it for 14 centuries. As soon as more than a handful arrive the takeover is on. First a “prayer centre” and then a mosque then more arrive to use it –then they are declaring no go zones for drink /women’s legs around the mosque –which Mo tells them they can because they own/control all the land around a kneeler for a certain distance. I forget the exact range –but it is theirs to command. And off you go top the races–no pun intended..

    So no RoP and no Africans . Simple as that. And a massive removal from any area of power of naïve types like you. A Purge if you like.

    Also no migrant of any origin or their offspring to get a vote for 100 years–backdated to 1/1/1997. That also will end ZaNu’s attempts to bring in replacement voters.

  48. Ecks

    Fair point (wrt takeover tactics and all that) but didn’t Interested’s “deportation for being an arse” condition point to the same thing (ie reading his offer in full)? Isn’t this just applying subtly different flavours of lipstick…

  49. PF–No because they don’t have to be arses to go on voting for and growing their power block. My “100 years” scheme kills that stone jug dead. And ends the “army of kids” advantage as well. Can’t be racism either as it applies to all.

  50. Sure but “Plus as above, no putting the law of your sky fairy above the law of the land.” allied with “we’ll deport you if you don’t like it or step out of line” could be argued as little more than a different flavour – same end effect, as in: one shifts away from a “multi” view that might in the future allow that potential takeover to take place. And we know that people can’t help themselves, as in be patient and pretend for four or five generations, we’ve seen that already, so little problem there.

    Voting – yes, fair enough, but we have far larger problems on that score, with our educational establishments and the indoctrinated (voting) zombies that they increasingly regurgitate.

    Anyway, whatever – if we start to move in any small way back from where we’ve increasingly declined towards, that would be an (excellent first) achievement in itself; one might hope.

  51. PF –one third of UK schoolkids are those of migrants. And the real UK pop is est at 80 million. Unis are a danger but not one breeding as fast as the imported.

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