Really?

Boris Johnson has condemned the early release of criminals after it emerged that the man who carried out the latest London Bridge terror attack was a convicted Islamist who had been freed from prison on an electronic tag.

Two people were murdered and at least three more seriously injured, when the suspected jihadist, wearing a fake suicide vest, went on a rampage at a criminal justice seminar he was attending.

That supervision after early release is working well then.

Khan, along with two co-conspirators, originally received an indeterminate sentence for public protection but this was quashed at the Court of Appeal in April 2013 and he was given a 16-year jail term. In February 2012, Khan was ordered to serve at least eight years in prison.

Profile: Judge warned about killer’s release

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Khan was part of Stock Exchange plot
Usman Khan was convicted in 2012 for his role in the Stock Exchange plot, a Christmas bomb attack on the London Stock Exchange, the American embassy and the home of Boris Johnson, who was then the London mayor.

Should be out yet then, should he?

37 comments on “Really?

  1. Won’t be long until he’s classified as mentally unstable (maybe he has an I’ve missed it?) and its nothing to do with his religion or culture.

    Unlike murderers like, say, Thomas Mair who are a sign of evil right wing ideological groups trying to destabilise society and used as a excuse to give the police and security forces more power at the expense of our freedoms.

  2. That supervision after early release is working well then.

    Chris Grayling outsourced the probation service to the private sector.

  3. He should have been executed straight after his conviction. Shame two people had to die before he could be properly dealt with.

  4. I will be buzzing with glee the day one of these fuckers starts stabbing judges in the appeal court. Only when they begin to suffer the consequences of their decisions, from which they have generally been insulated, will sanity return.

  5. One thing you could do pretty quickly is have a moratorium on sending convicted terrorists to seminars in central London.The response is probably swifter granted, but the potential for disruption is lessened if it occurs somewhere else.

  6. Andrew M–the Probo service has been shite for many years. Privatising it–ie turning a monopoly state service into a monopoly state service at one remove was Greyturd’s stupid attempt to improve matters. It made little difference asidet from muting slightly a few old probs and bringing out a few new ones. Mostly same idiots on the job anyway.

    Rothbard reports the words of a US municipal bus driver to a complaining left-behind customer “Lady–your name don’t appear on my paycheck”. That sums up why “privatisation” is crap compared to an actual free market where customers deal direct.

    Nor am I sure if there need be a free market in compassion. After all probation is about saving the scummy state money. If the malefactors deserve letting out then they obv got the wrong sentence to begin with.

  7. At least the tragic events will have harmed Jizz and his RoP connections in the public’s mind.

    Note the difference between how the left used Jill Cox’s murder instantly to boost their evil cause and how the non-left have not used these events.

  8. Will our Superhero and True Englishman, Mayor Khan leap to protect English people from his evil nemesis Jihadi Khan or not?

  9. Does anyone here know of any study of where these nutters are radicalised? In the mosque or in the prison? It would be handy to know.
    We already know, e.g. that these criminals are often recidivists from imprisonable offences and heavy users of cannabis.

  10. Members of the Court of Appeal should now go on trial for the two murders and all the GBH, and as it is clear cut, they should be sentenced to life with no remission. I’d rather that the fuckers were shot. Relatives of the deceased should be entitled to make civil claims against the assets of the Appeal Court judges, with these actions ‘judged’ by a court consisting of noone from the present judiciary, but a ‘judge’ appointed from a panel of other victims’ relatives.

  11. “Chris Grayling outsourced the probation service to the private sector.”

    Only minor offenders were ever dealt with by the private sector parts of Probation. The serious cases were always dealt with in house. A friend works for Probation, having been part of the private bit, then absorbed into the Probation Service itself when the private sector work was ended a few years ago. Someone convicted of terrorist offences would not have been managed by the private sector. You can definitely blame the Common Purpose infested Civil Service for this one.

  12. I only hope that the poor sods he murdered were criminologists rather than doormen, waitresses, and the like. Because criminologists are overwhelmingly excuse-makers for criminals.

    As for yer judges – qualified by their manifest superiority to interfere arbitrarily in our elective politics but mysteriously incompetent at their own jobs of protecting us from terrorism and crime.

  13. ‘co-conspirators’

    SUBS!

    “Yet more proof that government is shit. Can’t protect innocent citizens from convicted terrorists.”

    “As for yer judges – qualified by their manifest superiority to interfere arbitrarily in our elective politics but mysteriously incompetent at their own jobs of protecting us from terrorism and crime.”

    Governments are formed amongst men for mutual protection. Their prime directive. Their raison d’être.

    Government gets board with it, and realizes it can get more power by delving into all sorts of other trash. You end up with government more interested in protecting non-citizens than those to which it owes its existence. It is government decadence.

    You will keep getting it as long as you tolerate it.

  14. Yet more proof that government is shit. Can’t protect innocent citizens from convicted terrorists.

    That is untrue. The British government could protect innocent citizens. It chooses not to.

    And it isn’t like this is the first time that choice has been made obvious to the British public, either.

  15. I only hope that the poor sods he murdered were criminologists rather than doormen, waitresses, and the like. Because criminologists are overwhelmingly excuse-makers for criminals.

    And right on cue up pops this in my TL:

    Alex Stevens
    @AlexStevensKent
    To anybody tempted to criticise
    @Cambridge_Uni
    criminologists for yesterday’s attack: It is not the job of criminologists to assess risk or supervise offenders on license. That is the job of the probation service, which was hugely damaged by Chris Grayling’s changes to it

    And no prizes for guessing what Alex does for a living:

    Alex Stevens
    @AlexStevensKent
    Professor in Criminal Justice
    @UniKent @MedwaySSPSSR @UniKentSocSci. Former president @ISSDrugPolicy, former member of ACMD. Senior Editor @ijdrugpolicy

  16. @dearieme: One was. And clearly, the rotten apple didn’t fall far from the tree:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/30/first-london-bridge-attack-victim-named-as-jack-merritt

    “David Merritt posted on Twitter on Saturday: “My son, Jack, who was killed in this attack, would not wish his death to be used as the pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people unnecessarily.”

    Merritt said: “Cambridge has lost a proud son and a champion for underdogs everywhere, but especially those dealt a losing hand by life, who ended up in the prison system.””

    Because it’s just the luck of the draw, how you wind up in prison for plotting to murder people to bring about the Caliphate, eh?.

  17. I hope young Merritt’s mother has the strength to bear her pain.

    Do you suppose Krazy Komrade Korbyn disapproves of this sort of terrorism? If so, how does he distinguish it from the lengthy roll-call of terrorisms he does approve of? According to Guido, his little elves immediately began tweeting that this business was a false flag attack. Mossad gets a mention. Well they would, wouldn’t they?

  18. @BiND: judging by Jim’s comment at 12:09, Alex Stevens, Professor of Criminal Justice, is guilty of trying to misdirect people. Astonishing! Whoda thunk it?

  19. Do you suppose Krazy Komrade Korbyn disapproves of this sort of terrorism?

    Does any part of the ‘Establishment’ care? As others have said, if the Powers That Be really wanted to end it, they could. They’re obviously quite content with the number of Brits murdered and English girls raped and abused as long as the natives don’t become restless.

  20. One of the blokes who got stuck in is a murderer on day release. I think he may have been at the same event as the wanker

  21. ” The British government could protect innocent citizens. It chooses not to.”

    That hardly reflects reality. The Israeli government certainly chooses to protect innocent civilians. It’s not always successful. It’s the “ïnnocent civilians” part that’s the problem. That’s everybody apart from government & the military. If the terrorists were just selecting specific targets, the government could arrange to guard them. It does in fact do this with what are regarded as choice terrorist targets. Airports for instance. It can’t do that for everybody. And attacking “innocent civilians” is an entirely legitimate terrorist target. The softest target going.
    The actual problem is somewhat different. Government takes actions that may provoke a terrorist response. This is a price it is willing to pay because it doesn’t regard you as being a high value target unless the terrorists kill a lot of you.

  22. bis –

    When your government reduces the life sentence of a convicted terrorist to 16 years and then releases him after 8, it is choosing not to protect its citizens.

    That is reality.

    And how long will it be before Corbyn and Khan call for a ban on publicly displaying narwhal tusks? More than a week?

  23. ‘It can’t do that for everybody.’

    Here, in the backwaters of ‘Merica, peoples got guns. Stab attackers will be shot to shit. Knife attackers flourish in an environment where the government prohibits people from having proper tools to defend themselves.

    “If the terrorists were just selecting specific targets, the government could arrange to guard them.”

    They are selecting the British. The government can’t guard them. ‘It can’t do that for everybody.’ And you can’t defend yourselves. How’s that working out for you?

    BWTM: The government has also imported a million of them who would kill you, because they are supposed to. Their Good Book tells them to.

    Reality is a bi+ch.

  24. ‘Government gets board with it’

    “I don’t give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.” – Samuel Clemens

  25. As many here said:

    Prison for those who let Jihadists out on licence

    I add: all involved in supporting Killer Khan’s appeal on indeterminate sentence

    Anyone else think he looked like a sub-human Neanderthal/gorilla cross? Prison was too good, should have been in a zoo

  26. “Here, in the backwaters of ‘Merica, peoples got guns. Stab attackers will be shot to shit. Knife attackers flourish in an environment where the government prohibits people from having proper tools to defend themselves. ”

    We used to have the tools to defend ourselves, it was called “being British”. People just Did Not Do that sort of stuff to their fellow people.

  27. The trouble with banning weapons is that it doesn’t stop criminals having access to them and using them:
    * Never been a sub-machine gun attack in Birmingham after almost all guns were banned.
    * Or grenade attacks killing coppers in Manchester.
    * Nor a mass stabbing in London after you could be sent down for having a >= 3 inch blade on you.

    Of course, the argument is that it would be worse if they were more readily available but that’s irrelevant. Most people are not going to knife or shoot each other – that’s what the bad guys do. So, why infringe on the liberties of the majority if your prohibition is pointless anyway?

    Plus, what’s to stop them using rocks, pointy sticks or narwhal tusks instead?

  28. @Mr Yan

    Spot – a rational, sensible rebuttal to UK “ban” attitude

    I have carried a pen-knife from childhood, longest blade is ~4″ I’ve never stabbed/cut anyone, it is a much used tool

  29. “When your government reduces the life sentence of a convicted terrorist to 16 years and then releases him after 8, …”. Balls; it wasn’t the government it was the courts that fannied with his sentence.

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