Probably a GM floating around here

Footage taken by a passersby has revealed the sheer instinctive guts and determination of those who confronted Usman Khan in the moments after he carried out his murderous attack inside Fishmongers’ Hall.

Two men can be seen cornering the terrorist on London Bridge armed only with the nearest objects which came to hand – a five-foot antique Narwhal tusk and a fire extinguisher.

As the fight spilled out onto London Bridge, and despite being stabbed three times by Khan, Lukasz used the tusk to prod and push him against a railing to prevent him escaping and causing further injury.

A man alongside him sprayed fire extinguisher foam over Khan to disorientate him further.

Amy Coop, a director of the TV soaps Hollyoaks and Doctors who attended the event, wrote on Twitter: “A guy who was with us at Fishmongers’ Hall took a 5ft narwhal tusk from the wall and went to confront the attacker.

“You can see him standing over the man with what looks like a white pole in the video. We were trying to help victims inside but that man’s a hero.”

I think a GM there is likely, no?

Passerby Thomas Gray, 24, leapt out of his classic Mini and helped wrestle Khan to the pavement before stamping on his wrist to release the knife from his hand.

Mr Gray described how the attacker brandished an eight inch knife in each hand.

“One thought was going through my mind – stop the dude. I’ve played rugby for most of my life and the rule on and off the pitch is ‘one in, all in’,” he told The Telegraph.

“I was just a Londoner doing my bit.

“Hats off to the six or seven guys who were there before me, they’re so brave. They were chasing him down the street with a silver fire extinguisher and that’s what drew my attention to him. He was being sprayed with foam.

“We could see it was something serious and we should try to fix it.”

After the attack, he said he “did the British thing and went to the pub” with his friend Stevie.

“We had a pint and shook it off then came back and let the police know I was here with the keys for the cars in case they wanted me to move one of them.”

And yes, very British.

59 comments on “Probably a GM floating around here

  1. Roy “F*ck you I’m Millwall” Larner was every bit as brave and was hospitalised as a result of his actions.

    As far as I know he is still waiting for his GM, probably the wrong sort of hero.

  2. Apart from the Polish chap…

    Slightly off beam.

    Richard Delingpole has podcast up talking to Historian Roger Moorhouse mostly about the 1939 invasion of Poland by the Nazi’s and Soviets. I knew it was brutal but hadn’t realised how brutal. Anyway, its a myth that the Polish cavalry charged German tanks. They did charge infantry, with much success, but then were driven back by tanks.

    There was also a couple of cavalry Vs cavalry battles and by his account the Polish cavalry were victors and these may well have been the last two cavalry Vs cavalry battles in history.

    He confirmed what is generally accepted that Poles were very brave but outnumbered, especially after the Soviets invaded.

  3. They’ll be lucky to get a medal. Imagine Sir Humphrey: ‘It doesn’t send the right message Prime Minister,’ If the attacker was one of those plentiful right-wing extremists I keep reading about, maybe.

    Somebody needs to define the line between this, mostly approved, and Canning Town tube, where the members of the public were lucky not to be charged and maybe they will be yet.

    Maximum style points for the Narwhal tusk though. Damn sure that’s not on anyone’s list of offensive weapons.

  4. Does anyone know how long it took the rozzers to respond?

    BTW, reflect on the courage given they thought he had a suicide vest strapped on…

  5. How much of a Thoughtcrime is it for me to note that the responders to this attack (both official and unofficial) seem to be significantly lacking in diversity, both sexual and racial?

  6. ‘Hall took a 5ft narwhal tusk from the wall and went to confront the attacker.’

    Because government wouldn’t let him have a Beretta.

    ‘Response took 5 minutes which is pretty good really….’

    Not sure what you mean by “good.” If you mean that was pretty quickly, then okay.

    That people are being killed and the only legal armed response is MINUTES away is not good. It’s an opportunity. Other RoPers will notice.

  7. Andrew Marr being a cretin (trying to interview Boris). And they wonder why politicians are simply giving up on wanting to appear with / be interviewed by these fuckwits. Marr is one of those in particular that seems to become less and less watchable with each passing year.

    Well, it is called the Andrew Marr* Show after all. Why would anyone think it was about listening to the interviewee?

    I particularly liked these:

    Marr: (On terrorist early release) How many people are in a similar position?
    Boris: 74.
    Marr: You’re trying to avoid my question, so I’ll ask you again.
    Boris: I just said 74…

    Marr: Are you worried Donald Trump may say something embarrassing?
    Boris: Well…
    Marr: I’m sorry, we’re out of time.
    Boris: Let me answer the question…
    Marr: I’m sorry, we’re out of time.

    *Insert political show of choice, with the exception of Andrew Neil.

  8. “Because government wouldn’t let him have a Beretta.”

    What a witless fucking remark. Because then the bloody terrorist would have had guns too.

  9. PF – it’s unfortunate. Sometimes (because I’m a saddo) I watch old interviews from the 70’s and 80’s on YouTube. Maggie talking about what the Conservatives would do that’s different from the then Callaghan-led government and whatnot.

    The past really is a different country. It’s not just the quality of politicians that has declined into troglodyte inarticulacy, interviewers now believe it’s their job to argue and interrupt and pose lame gotcha questions. Audiences are also fatter, stupider, and ruder – hooting and horking like trained walruses when someone tosses out a scrap of cheap fishy rhetoric.

    Neil can get away with this, because he usually asks decent questions. Even then, and much as I enjoyed his cantankerous Caledonian cruelty towards Jeremy Corbyn, I wish he’d talk less so his guests can tell us more

    Marr has a face for radio and should go back to the Bash Street Kids. I’m pretty sure the Human Rights Act forbids broadcasting his unfortunate physiognomy in high def.

    Funnily enough, the best interviewer in the business might be Louis Theroux. Though an obnoxious lefty, he has an ingenious way of drawing out his subjects with a wry smile, faux-innocent questions, and soothingly English politeness. I’d love to see a Weird Weekend with Boris or Jeremy.

  10. Jonathan.

    Utter madness. The bloke put his life at risk showing bravery and, equally importantly, decisiveness to act quickly. He almost certainly saved more lives being lost.

  11. Marr: (On terrorist early release) How many people are in a similar position?
    Boris: 74.
    Marr: You’re trying to avoid my question, so I’ll ask you again.

    Jesus, what a clown.

  12. Steve,

    TV has generally declined, and I can’t quite explain it. I think what’s generally happened is that the entertainment people have just taken it over. In the early days, I think you had people running TV who thought of it as a way to raise civilisation. You had the likes of Lord Reith bringing on philosophers and showing ballet to the masses. And I’m certainly not against entertainment, but TV has become an entertainment format over time, and one result of that is that they’ve ended up controlling things like news and science, too.

    If you watch old episodes of Cosmos, there’s Carl Sagan holding up a prop that explains how the Egyptians figured out the world was round. Today, that would be a load of actors flown out to Cairo, dressed up as ancient Egyptians, because that’s what the entertainment people like.

    Same with things like wine and food. Delia Smith taught a lot of people to cook. That’s all she wanted to do. But no, we can’t just have a cookery programme explaining how to cook, we have to have Jamie Oliver on his fucking Vespa hanging out with his cool mates for half the show.

    Good factual TV is all on the net now. Delia is doing her thing online now. There’s good science, news and history stuff. Triggernometry do those 60 minute interviews. People get to talk, to explain their ideas.

    The rest of British TV is mostly garbage. I thought Fleabag was pretty good, but most stuff I try is so derivative or PC that I just ain’t gonna bother.

  13. Steve, you bring up the interviews of Thatcher in the old days. Back then interviewers were fairly polite. She used to stop at the end of a sentence and wait a couple of beats before beginning the next. TV presenters are terrified of silence, ‘dead air’. They would start a sentence just before she resumed her argument. Result, interviewer tricked into looking like he interrupted the PM, very much impolite. It’s my suspicion she did it on purpose. Wouldn’t work now but a period of silence, thoughtfulness, might expose the gobshites for what they are.

  14. I see someone else mentioned Canning Town, though in terms of the public being prosecuted for intervening there.

    I note the similarities. In both cases, the public intervened, despite the instructions of our masters to leave it to them, which we know, will be futile.
    Is the public patience exhausted?
    Can we expect more people power direct pushback to these religious fanatics?

    Is it perhaps time for our leaders to notice where the people are going and follow them?

    As an aside, anyone know the outcome of XR versus French shop sales last week?

  15. Steve,

    Sometimes (because I’m a saddo) I watch old interviews from the 70’s and 80’s on YouTube. Maggie talking about what the Conservatives would do that’s different from the then Callaghan-led government and whatnot.

    There was a picture doing the rounds recently that showed Maggie and a few others on a discussion program and they all had a glass of wine in front of them. Imagine if that happened now?

    BoM4

    If you watch old episodes of Cosmos, there’s Carl Sagan holding up a prop that explains how the Egyptians figured out the world was round. Today, that would be a load of actors flown out to Cairo, dressed up as ancient Egyptians, because that’s what the entertainment people like.

    I can’t watch modern documentaries, they all appear to be aimed at recalcitrant 4-year-olds.

  16. Jussi,

    BiND, JAMES Delingpole, right? Isn’t Dick the brother?

    Ooops, yes.Thanks for the correction.

  17. “What a witless fucking remark. Because then the bloody terrorist would have had guns too.”

    Ahh . . . the Gun Free Zone shtick. The belief that terrorists follow your stupid laws. You create target rich environments, INVITING terrorists.

    The belief that it is okay to restrict your citizens rights so that terrorists don’t have them. Which means THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

  18. I object to our ban on pistols. But I also object to the sheer stupidity of your argument. I object to really stupid arguments being used to defend good causes because it make the causes look stupid too.

  19. BoM4 – Yarp

    Re: Sagan (and Bronowski and Clark and whatnot). Although these were deeply impressive chaps with splendid expertise, their televisual output was neither inaccessible or patronising.

    It was solidly middlebrow – a category that seems to have largely disappeared from the mass media landscape. As in cinema, which is now 99% CGI explosions, lycra-clad twinks punching each other, or titless brunette androgynes doing space-karate or whatever.

    They rarely bother including eye-toffee for the Dads anymore, because Greta forbid a heterosexual man might watch and think about doing sex to women (thought-rape). Scarlett Johansen has aged out and been replaced by a flat-bottomed frump who looks like you owe her child support.

    Martin Scorcese offended the legions of manboobed neckbeards and fibromyalgic heffalumps who take this sort of celluloid soylent super-seriously, by pointing out the stunningly obvious that Disney-Marvel-Hyper-Mega-Dildo-Corp’s Captain Prolefeed XIV: Revenge Of The Manspreaders isn’t a real movie, it’s cynical corporate pap churned out of an assembly line with about as much creative integrity and artistic merit as bogroll. Nothing inherently wrong with that, except that Saturday morning cartoons used to be for children, not chronological adults.

    Fiction doesn’t have to be realistic or sexy or even clever, but a good story – if it doesn’t contain Aristotelian catharsis – should at least build up to an emotionally satisfying third act. Compare Star Wars (1977) to the recent Star Warses: they can’t get the hero’s journey right anymore, and effective narrative structure is just another expectation to be subverted. Illiterate bards from the dark ages could tell a better tale than Hollywood’s richest perverts.

    On the small screen there’s still some good stuff for adults out there, but the medium as a whole is proving that Elvis did nothing wrong.

  20. BiND – Or worse: on some old shows people actually smoked fags. Think of the children?!?!

    I think Graham Norton enjoys a large glass of Sauvignon on his show, bless his silk socks.

  21. Gamecock –

    Don’t bother trying to explain it. It’s hopeless. If you have point out the absurdity of allowing your government to reduce you to using narwhal tusks and fire extinguishers to defend yourself against convicted terrorists on early release, then you cannot make them understand, no matter how you argue.

  22. dearieme –

    We now know that six of Usman Khan’s fellow stock exchange plotters have been released from prison. Terrorists in Britain don’t need guns… they have the government.

    But never you mind.

    Now you back to being The Next Innocent Victim.

  23. Dennis – You literally work in a mosque, lol

    Jim – That man has singlehandedly restored my faith in Australians.

  24. Bloke on th eM4: “TV has generally declined, and I can’t quite explain it.”

    There used to be a guy who hung out on various internet sites talking about TV — before he got defenestrated for Wrongthink. He described modern TV as a “female ghetto”.

    Once old -fashioned cop shows degenerated into bleached blondes of a certain age in high-heeled shoes outrunning young men of African descent and wrestling them to the ground, most of the male audience yawned and went elsewhere — in the case of young males, to computer games, which now can earn grosses exceeding those of most movies.

    It seems to have got worse since then. Now it is not enough for the hero to be a heroine — she has to be on-screen slutty, Lesbian, or of color. Most TV shows have become near soap operas, and news programs have degenerated into female-oriented TV shows.

    Capitalists would think that leaving half the potential TV audience under-served would be a business opportunity — but capitalists seem to be thin on the ground in the TV industry.

  25. Steve –

    Ah, we’re back to the first rule of woggie debate… when intellectually helpless, change the subject.

  26. Has anyone compared the death rates from these kind of terrorist outbursts in the States v UK? Obviously there can be no victims in the USA thanks to the availability of guns… Was it in Fort Hood that there was an incident that killed more people in one incident than all such incidents in the UK from then until now? Fort Hood… Military base…. Armed personnel. Perhaps Dennis can explain it

  27. What about the Las Vegas shooter… Availability of guns certainly kept the death count down there, didn’t it?

  28. Dennis of the multiple personalities all of which come armed with a sarcasm and irony bypass, @ 4.27pm…

    Have I misunderstood from prior threads, or are you in favour of drugs prohibition and against gun prohibition, and indifferent to mass immigration but hostile those drawing attention to its predictable consequences?

    Either way, thanks for caring.

  29. Steve – “I think Graham Norton enjoys a large glass of Sauvignon on his show”
    It’s Invivo wine from NZ, Graham’s plays some part in the operation.

    https://invivowines.com/

    Despite not being a wine drinker, my other half is a very minor shareholder and flies up to Auckland each year for their annual shindig.

  30. If you omit 5 US cities (all Democrat controlled with strict gun control) – Chicago, Detroit, Washington D C, St Louis and New Orleans, America is nearly the safest country in the world. Hmm, there’s something about those cities I can’t quite put my finger on..
    Dennis and Gamecock are dead right. We’re sitting here in the U.K. waiting to be victims of ROP crazies or the ones from the government. Now, where can I get me a Narwhal tusk..?

  31. @Edward Lud December 1, 2019 at 11:00 am

    1. Does anyone know how long it took the rozzers to respond?

    2. BTW, reflect on the courage given they thought he had a suicide vest strapped on…

    1. 6 mins

    2. Suicide belt: doubt they noticed, plod didn’t initially – then one did; which was when plod released him, moved back and shot him

    The dead guy with hand-wringer dad knew killer and was a rehabilitation do-gooder

    .
    @Tim the Coder December 1, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    In both cases, the public intervened, despite the instructions of our masters to leave it to them, which we know, will be futile.
    Is the public patience exhausted?
    Can we expect more people power direct pushback to these religious fanatics?

    imo Yes and Yes

    Canning Town: “Everyone leave” – most public “No”
    Police: “Run away & hide” – some public “No”

  32. “Was it in Fort Hood that there was an incident that killed more people in one incident than all such incidents in the UK from then until now? Fort Hood… Military base…. Armed personnel.”

    None of the dead were armed. For regular soldiers not on specific security detail, Fort Hood is effectively a gun free zone. The only firearm response to the perpetrator was from civilian police. The place was nearly as easy a target as a school.

    There were 14 fatalities at Fort Hood (I’m including PFC Francheska Velez’s unborn child). Since then 39 people have been killed by Islamists in the UK. Not counting the 23 killed by a suicide bomber in Manchester, in which ready gun availability would have made little difference, that leaves 16 killed in which in which it might.

    It was easy to find this information. You are misinformed and lazy, which likely contributes to your viewpoint.

  33. I object to our ban on pistols.

    Why?

    You dismiss Gamecock’s argument in favour of ready pistols over opportune tusks as “fucking witless sheer stupidity” because you believe it would make pistols available to terrorists too. And yet you object to the policy that you believe makes pistols unavailable to terrorists?

    At least Gamecock’s argument is logically consistent.

  34. I hope London will see fit to put narwhal statues at every corner.

    You Brits have traded your freedom for security. Now you have neither.

    Government can’t protect you. They declare that to be able to protect you, they must take your guns. Now, you have neither the means to protect yourself, nor your friends, family, and community, AND THE GOVERNMENT STILL CAN’T PROTECT YOU. As your people are stabbed to death, Tim is happy the cops got there in 5 minutes.

    As Dennis of Northern Climes said, you are just waiting to be the next victim. England, you have lost the plot.

  35. Gamecock, I agree. We’re buggered, whichever way you slice us. I’d like to walk around packing heat.

    But as I always say to Dennis, a) thanks for caring, and b) you’ve got your own problems.

  36. “On the night of October 1, 2017, a shooter opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada. He killed 58 people and wounded 413, with the ensuing panic bringing the injury total to 869. Wikipedia”

    And we in Britain have to worry

  37. FFS, if you omit 5 US cities, the rest of the US is safe!. If you omit Londinistan the rest of the UK is even safer, Omitting the big cities is just cherry picking, carry on like that & we’ll assume you’re a climate scientist.
    When looking for prescriptions for social ills, it is the whole society that must be treated.

  38. I see your Harvest Festival Attack and raise you one Manchester Arena Bombing.

    How does widespread gun ownership prevent suicide bombings?

    Other than making potential terrorists say, fuck it, we might as well just shoot them.

  39. “At least Gamecock’s argument is logically consistent.” Not in the least.

    Pistols are probably a pretty good way to deter violent burglars: that’s why I’m against the ban. But they are an utterly useless way to deter terrorists with knives because if pistols were freely available the terrorists would use them rather than knives.

    Really, the logic is terribly simple, it’s just that the American quasi-religious attitude to guns gets in their way. The proposition that some guns are good for some purposes seems to defeat them: for them, all guns have to be the answer to all violence, everywhere, every time. Still, it’s a waste of time arguing with religious fanatics.

  40. “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” – Robert Heinlein

    Disarming a society creates opportunity for violence.

    Good point, Nessimmersion. Gun control is a generalized response to a local problem.

    “How does widespread gun ownership prevent suicide bombings?”

    My point is that mass murderers will murder. Focusing on one tool they might use accomplishes nothing.

    Assuming the Oklahoma City comment is in reference to the Tim McVey bombing, note that McVey used kerosene and fertilizer for his bomb, and delivered with a rented lorry. Focusing on tools accomplishes nothing, as there always will be tools available. In the grand scheme of things, using guns reduces casualties. An armed populace would eliminate casualties. Indeed, in most of the U.S., there are no casualties. Even murder with guns – excluding black males – is very low. 5000 per year amongst 285,000,000 people. The 5000 per year INCLUDES mass murder attacks.

    It is clear to me dearieme that you are a subject, and not a citizen.

  41. “It is clear to me dearieme that you are a subject, and not a citizen.”

    And the really spiffing thing is we’re subjects of a ruling caste, not even of chinless wonders at Buck House.

    Mind you, Gamecock, Mark Steyn often remarks on the chuff Septics put up with courtesy of their citizen republic government, along the lines of, “George III wouldn’t have done this to you”. And it’s hard to disagree.

  42. Arguing about gun control seems to detract from the point that this prick was put on licence. He had an indefinite sentence then Leveson assumed he might be rational and respond to the incentive of getting out of prison by reforming. Which was doubtful.

  43. But, phil, people having guns means they aren’t susceptible to government fvckups.

    “Let him go. If he tries anything else, the people will shoot him to shi+.”

    Depending on government for anything is a loser’s game.

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