Emigration Logic

Hmmm.

One thing will be mentioned more than any other: that unchecked immigration over the past decade is creating a country many Britons no longer feel comfortable in.

I don\’t like living where it is 10% foreigners so I\’ll go and live where it\’s 95 % foreigners.

Not really compelling logic, is it?

 

 

23 thoughts on “Emigration Logic”

  1. Unchecked immigration and of vastly different culture can be unsettling. On the other hand, moving to Australia and New Zealand is more culturally comfortable for indigenous anglo-saxons leaving the UK. When the country you grew up in is changed in a very short space of time people are bound to feel uncomfortable. If you move to a country where you’re a guest, you are less emotionally involved and more able to cope with change.

  2. “Not really compelling logic, is it?”

    Especially when they refuse to learn the local language and integrate, all the while pissing and moaning about how foreigners are taking over. Bloody DT readers.

  3. If you follow one of the links to another Telegraph article, it says the following:-

    “Almost 60 per cent of those leaving take jobs, although hundreds of thousands of retired people live abroad.”

    So, 40% of those we’re losing are people who aren’t working, probably cashing in their house to live somewhere south of the Loire. They may be taking their talent with them, but as they weren’t using it, it’s not as if we’re losing it.

  4. “Given that NZ is 21% non-European and that Australia is 10% non-white and another 20% non-British-Isles, colour me sceptical.”

    I travelled extensively in NZ. Almost universal reaction from white ‘indigenous’ people was “bloody Asians coming here”.

    I travelled extensively in Canada. Almost universal reaction from white ‘indigenous’ people was “Bloody Indians and Chinese coming here”.

    It’s particularly ironic with the Canadians since a large number of the ethnic Chinese on the West Coast immigrated in the mid 19th Century to build the railways (no doubt to loud complaints even then how they got “free houses and horse-drawn buggies and stuff”), and have been there longer than most ex-British-Isles people.

  5. I travelled extensively in NZ. Almost universal reaction from white ‘indigenous’ people was “bloody Asians coming here”.

    White racists in Oz and NZ are the funniest people in the entire world. “Send ’em back where they came from” – fine, that’s you back to bloody Dagenham then…

  6. It’s the speed of the immigration that’s unsettling a lot of people. Also, couple the uncertainty caused by unchecked immigration and couple it to the awful “punishment culture” of the UK Government and it’s no wonder people are leaving. Not many people have skin thick enough to stay where they don’t feel wanted.

  7. My objections are twofold & simple.

    1. We are being subjected to a vast social and cultural experiment.
    2. We were not asked

    Exactly the same objections can be raised against the huge changes in our constitutional arrangements.

  8. “Especially when they refuse to learn the local language and integrate…”

    Where does that happen? If you won’t learn the language and integrate you pretty much can’t survive. In Peru immigrants from the UK and those of British descent (a surprisingly large number) all speak Spanish – and some speak Quechua and Aymara as well – everyone works and an increasing number are taking Peruvian citizenship. And why not?

  9. “You guys sound like passengers on the Titanic discussing the existence of icebergs.”

    You sound like a London cabbie. I expect it’s all the fault of the Jews now?

    “1. We are being subjected to a vast social and cultural experiment.
    2. We were not asked”

    Indeed. The failure of democracy. But then democracy is a pretty crappy system too: it doesn’t do very well at guaranteeing the rights of the individual. As is being demonstrated by spiteful anti-immigrant and anti-youth rhetoric from Government. Immigrants are people, and there are good ones (most) and bad ones (a few). Teenagers are people, and there are good ones (most) and bad ones (few).

    Don’t see many on the right (or the left) trying to defend innocent people and let them live their lives in peace. Desperately unfashionable point-of-view, these days, which is odd, because “innocent people” is not just composed of teenagers and immigrants, but also you and me.

    “the awful “punishment culture” of the UK Government ”

    And where is that coming from? It’s a nasty streak that runs through British culture, right back to Civil War days. It leads to bansturbation and the turning of the mob on to minority groups, one by one. Teenagers, immigrants, smokers, airgun users, 4×4 drivers, bottled water drinkers, on and on it goes, with the Eye of Sauron all the time sweeping left and right, looking for another group to mentally torture.

    It’s a sickening aspect of our culture, and it’s enough to make one leave. Until you realize that the entire English-speaking world is infected with it too.

  10. A resident of one of the less pleasant parts of London said to me a couple of years ago “I’ve immigrated. I just still live in the same house, that’s all.”
    At that point his was one of only two white families living in the street the rest being of mostly south Asian origin.
    When ones neighbours, the proprietors of the local shops, the children in the school are mostly immigrants is it surprising that one might feel like that. At least, if you in turn immigrate, you get a chance to choose the nature of the culture you’re entering.
    As for the allusions to Brits on the Costas & the Dordogne. Do you hear many complaints from the locals? OK, you might hear the odd muttering in the local bar but generally the newcomers are welcome. Few of them are expected to be provided with public housing or competing for local jobs. On the contrary, in a few weeks I’ll be staying in a farmhouse that was an untouched ruin until a Brit rebuilt it, providing employment for local artisans in the process.

    Oh, and I’ll declare an interest here. I’ll be gone as well soon for similar reasons to those quoted above.

  11. The punishment culture is coming directly from this illiberal government. Not a day passes without some semi-educated junior minister launching yet another crackdown. Whether it’s the dreadful Dawn Primarollo telling the middle classes off for drinking wine, or the equally vile Caroline Flint mouthing off about smoking, it’s punishment. Listening to the news each morning takes me back to morning assembly in my grammar school where each day the deputy head announce another school rule.

    Brown’s evil and puritanical authoritarian Brownshirts are making life an absolute misery in the UK. Pressure groups of professional parasites feeding off government grants are constantly badgering politicians into clamping down on our few remaining freedoms. Why can’t other people see it? Are you all blind or have you simply resigned yourself to some sort of Fascism-Lite™ ?

  12. With particular reference to Malaga, when i first visited that city it was common to see families living in earth floored rooms with the children running barefoot in unmade streets. Speaking from memory, the average hourly wage in the UK was 12/-(60p). In Spain it was 11d (5 1/2p) (& in Portugal even lower. 9d rings a bell). The people of that part of Spain have made a lucrative business out of catering to foreign holiday makers & welcome that many chose to stay all year round. Fishing & a few oranges do not an economy make.

  13. “I don’t like living where it is 10% foreigners so I’ll go and live where it’s 95 % foreigners.”

    Might be logical, depending on the foreigners at either end of the trip.

  14. Here in Costa Rica you do get a fair sampling of the stereotypical Ugly American, the fat obnoxious guy who thinks that speaking English loudly and slowly will elicit more than a Manuel-esque ¿que? from a monoglot native. These people are usually viewed with annoyance and contempt by the rest of the expat community who have made an effort to learn Spanish.

  15. David:

    I presume you are aware that the common phrase “Ugly American” is actually a type of malapropism (for want of a better description coming to mind).

    The main point of the entire book (which I’ve not read) was that the hero (the “ugly” one) and others like him were good guys who, by involvement with locals in third-world places, spread favorable impressions of Americans. The “bad” guys were what we’d now call “suits”–bureaucrats sent over to set things straight by interaction with their counterparts in the local establishments.

  16. I’m no expert. I don’t speak any foreign language and have never studied the subject except as an observer of limited scope.

    But, still, I’m convinced that the spread of English is rooted in something more than imperialism and colonialism, or even in dominance in military, commercial, and industrial efforts. There’s something about the language itself (at least in my belief) that might explain those other successes rather than owing its spread to them. Any thing that pisses off the French to the extent it does has got to have something powerfully good about it, n’est ce pas?

    Some years ago, I was watching TV–news about the deadly bombing of an apartment complex in Moscow. The bilingual newsgal, on a crowded sidewalk, was interviewing an apparent witness, translating his Russian, a few words and phrases at a time, into English–for the TV audience.

    He went on and on, excitedly, accompanied by gestures, with interruptions from the gal, and it was obvious from the tone that a crescendo was building. Suddenly, he stopped for just a second or two and then said plainly, “and THAT’S when the shit hit the fan!”

    Everybody laughed–belly-laughs all around. In the face of an enormous tragedy, everybody laughed their asses off–he crowd, the gal, and him. And they all laughed again when he repeated the punch-line, not once but two or three times.

  17. On a serious note, the frictions which must arise, even occasionally, over language differences between native speakers of a language and immigrants (whether recent or of some duration) are enormously complicated, exacerbated, and prolonged to the extent that the socialism “infects” the minds of the native populace. Policies of entitlement, in particular, shift emphasis on language acculturation from one of exertion in an ordinary process of fitting in to the extent necessary to earn a living and “get along” to one of (group) political action to transform equality before the law into one of equality (or more) in the divvying of various benefit forms., including the most important–education (because of its potential to influence the political alignment–and fortunes–of the rising generation). Socialist policies enormously compound the problems of polyglot nations and have even the power to transform relatively minor immigrant populations into incipient polyglots.

  18. Er, Kay Tie, your comments about Britons abroad,especially Daily Telegraph readers, prompts me to quote you from the comments of a post about smoking licences:
    “You’ve got real issues about cyclists. Were you a bike saddle in a former life? I suggest getting on the waiting list for a mental health professional now, then eventually you can do that regression thing and work out what it was earlier in your life that caused this irrational hatred of an entire category of people. You should be thankful you weren’t fiddled with as a kid by someone Jewish because a full on bender about “the Jews” really wouldn’t go down well at all.”
    Is that hypocrisy or a logical inconsistency? Either way, I offer you my place on the waiting list as your anger management issues can’t be solved by paracetamol alone. Shalom.

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