Tanker Drivers\’ Strike

This seems fair enough:

Ron Webb, Unite\’s national officer, who said last week that food price rises and the spiralling cost of living should be reflected in the salaries, attacked Shell\’s "stratospheric profits".

Tony Woodley, the union\’s joint general secretary, described the level of profits in the oil industry as "obscene".

Oil companies are making big profits, ergo those who work for oil companies should get big pay rises.

Except, except, the oil companies (Shell among them) aren\’t making big profits on the forecourts. Distribution and petrol sales are a highly competititve (and thus low profit margin) business and I think I\’m right in saying that high crude prices compress profits even more in this area.

Where the oil companies are making large profits is in the drilling and pumping it out of the ground part and there, yes indeed, salaries are soaring as all the majors try to find more skilled engineers.

This justification by the union is rather like observing that farmers are making money now thus those who deliver potatoes for the supermarkets should get a pay rise.

Not really all that compelling, is it?

93 thoughts on “Tanker Drivers\’ Strike”

  1. I think the point is they have the power to bring the country to a standstill, unlike us mere office workers who are basically screwed.

    How about a general fucking strike. The way things are going no-one can afford to live, apart from the super rich. BRown needs to cut taxes and cut back on unnecessary services immediately, but we know damn well the cunt will not do what the country needs.

    GO BROWN, FUCK OFF NOW.

  2. I’m a bit of a romantic, I think a company should reward its workers when times are good, it won’t hesitate to fire them when times are bad.

  3. “Zorro, define unnecessary.”

    Can I have a go?
    Not an exhaustive list mind, but:

    Potato Council.
    Milk Council.
    Equalaties commision.
    Sure start
    Foreign Aid
    Olympics
    Legal Aid
    Cosmetic and fertitilty treatment on NHS
    UN Contributions
    EU costs.
    for the more adventurous:
    NHS
    Schools
    Most Welfare

    “I think a company should reward its workers when times are good,”
    Its called a salary.

  4. Oil companies are making big profits, ergo those who work for oil companies should get big pay rises.

    Damn right! And those of us who work close to the wellhead in dumps like Sakhalin should get the biggest pay rises of them all!!

    What Woodley probably realises, but keeps quiet from his members, is that independent contractors in the oil and gas industry are raking it in and have been for the past few years with no sign of work drying up. Even the old hands in the industry admit they’ve never seen times as good as this.

  5. “Oil companies are making big profits, ergo those who work for oil companies should get big pay rises.”

    They should be paid whatever the market rate is. Personally, I pay as little as possible to people for goods and services, as do most other people. I don’t see why if I do this , I should expect others to do otherwise.

  6. The Press are making the drivers seem like the bad guys here… Fact is, they’re paid £32,000 basic NOT £34,00 like some suggest. In comparison to the likes of Texaco and other tanker companies who’s average wage is £36,000 and often in excess of this.
    This will bring alot of disturbance due to a sort of “unwriten rule” where by BP , Texaco etc will not cross the picket line whilst Shell strike.
    And in response to ChrisM’s statement ” They should be paid whatever the market rate is”
    THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO!
    At the moment they’re working for a price below the average.

  7. Gertrude, don’t start shouting at me, especially if you use the words “average” and market rate as if they are synonymous.

  8. Surely average and market rate IS synonymous with employment.
    At the end of the day we all have an opinion.
    These guys are all in the same employment, do the same job but are paid less.

  9. Actually we are paid £31,815 PA.
    Our gripe is not with Shell, it is with Hoyer our employer. If as they claim they cannot afford to pay us £36,000 then the reason for that is that they have got their sums wrong and slashed their rates too much (a common practice in the haulage industry). That is to us drivers, (as they like to tell us continually when we have work or family difficulties), “NOT OUR PROBLEM.” They actually enjoy a very healthy profit out of this contract, they waste countless thousands weekly on management yet begrudge those that generate the income even an industry average wage.

  10. Typical scene from any haulage operation at the moment. Drivers get paid poor rates for 24/7 operations 365 days a year. Never see the bosses working these hours for the pay rates of a professional driver. Explains why the young breed of drivers are not joining the industry anymore.If all drivers stood together for once, we could bring this government to its knees within 5 days!

  11. nearly £40k for driving a lorry! It males you wonder why anyone would really want to work for their living when you can get paid all this for driving. Its the next best thing to not working.

  12. I can’t understand why your bitching about a
    £31,000- 36,000 salary. Aircraft engineers spend 4 years at college sit countless exams and become legally responsible for the airworthiness of an aircraft for the same money hardly compares does it?????. then again maybe they should join a union that shafts the general population.

  13. “Surely average and market rate IS synonymous with employment.”

    I think you need to re write this sentence. It is not clear what you are claiming. It seems you are claiming that average and market rate are both synonymous with employment, clearly nonsense. However, if you meant to claim that average and market rate are synonymous with each other, then no, they are not.

    “At the end of the day we all have an opinion.”

    Maybe but the discussion was not about your right to an opinion, but about market rates versus average rates. I am not sure what the connection is between your right to an opinion and what the thread was about. You are throwing in a red herring.

    “These guys are all in the same employment, do the same job but are paid less.”
    Big deal. Not all people who do the same work get paid the same. I may decide that I want a cleaner and be prepared to pay 5 pound an hour, whereas my neighbour may decide they want a cleaner and are prepared to pay 10 pound an hour. What is important is how much the person paying for the service, values that service.

  14. “Explains why the young breed of drivers are not joining the industry anymore.”

    Problem solved then. In a few years, the supply of drivers will be restricted and the pay will go up.

    “If all drivers stood together for once, we could bring this government to its knees within 5 days!”

    That, or risk the wrath of a nation that may not take kindly to a few people inconveniencing the whole country.

  15. The point to remember when considering the up & downs around these driver calling for industrial action in my eyes.
    1) They are contractors, not employed by a fuel company, bring it back in house!!
    2) In the threads above comments are made around differnet comapanies paying different rates, well each driver should look at his contractual agreement, some driver are contracted to 42 hours per week (BP) where some other are contracted to 48 hours per week (Hoyer)
    3) Some enjoy a final salary pension….very rare nowadays!!
    4) the commitment of the drivers is questionalable, if they put as much effort into completing a full shift as they do trying to avoid working they would be worth the weight in gold, unfortunatly this is not the case and to some the drivers up in a couple of words I’d say lazy, overpaid militant B******** and as for Ron Webb (Unite National Secartary) he will sell you all down the river!!!

  16. carrying a highly dangerous substance… £36000 seems not too much to ask.
    ChrisM it’s clear you need to come down from your soap box.
    In my writing an opinion was to state some facts, that was the connection between myself and the thread.

  17. “carrying a highly dangerous substance… £36000 seems not too much to ask.”

    They can ask for whatever they like. What counts is what someone is prepared to pay. And the fact it is a dangerous substance is not really relevant. I do not hear many stories of petrol tank drivers being killed going about their job, so clearly it is not that dangerous. Fighting in the Middle East is considerably more dangerous and less lucrative.

    “In my writing an opinion was to state some facts, that was the connection between myself and the thread.”

    That sentence is a total mess. God knows what you are trying to say. But in case you are still banging on about your right to an opinion, whenever anyone starts going on about their right to an opinion, it almost always means they have given up on actually defending their position.

  18. Thanks a bunch, The Shell Tanker Drivers and their Union are about to single handedly Increase the cost of Fuel around the U.K. 36,000 pounds a year ? That puts you into a higher Pay bracket than 50% Of the U.K.s workers.

    It’s bad enough our own government can’t regulate the cost of Fuel in the U.K. to a decent amount with out the Drivers Helping Mr Brown increase the cost of fuel.

    Watch this space, If the Strike goes ahead on Friday by monday Diesel will be 2pounds a litre.
    Not Impressed Your timing is impeccible.

  19. I deal with the same “dangerous substance” … and get a life this is petrol we are talking about not nuclear fuel or sarin gas !!!… every day and i get about 23k a year – cant say i can feel to sorry for someone earning 36k for sitting on the fat ass in a lorry all day especially as i live 300 plus miles from my fiancee and this strike might stop us seeing each other

  20. Well, the whole argument regading the hazardous nature of the product is being used in an attempt to justify asking for a 13.2% increase on basic wages at a time when the government, no matter how incompetent they are (and they are), need to keep a cap on public spending and inflation. Their argument holds no water – these guys have to have an LGV licence and then take a hazardous goods (ADR) licence, both of which can be accessed (and often are) without any formal qualifications or formal education. The wage they earn is more than comensurate with the effort they need to put it to gain these qualifications when you compare their financial reward to other, more qualified perosonnel often working with greater responsibility. These ‘professionals’ then work to very tight controls and standards and receive good renumeration for the work they do. As per earlier points, I’m sure the men and women in the armed services, perhaps those working on a Nuclear submarine, would like the opportunity to demand a 13.2% increase based on the hazardous nature of their environment but they cannot – they are capped by government and public spending targets and they work within this.
    Can’t the members of Unite see that this is not in their interests – it is in the interests of Ron Webb and his close band of merry men, with their political agenda and personal ego’s? To demand this kind of increase at this particular moment smacks of high political awareness but low regard for actual union members. Wake up guys, you are being used.

  21. I drive a tanker and earn around 40k a year, good luck to the Shell lads i for one will not be crossing your lines 🙂

  22. There is a simple answer to this. If you don’t like £32K wage driving a tanker, then go get a job somewhere else where the pay and conditions are better. That’s what a free market allows you to do.

    I’m afraid that the current legal restrictions on staff replacement are going to have to be reformed in a world where the unions have realised the power of massification and the hand tying benefits of the TUPE legislation.

  23. “just finished work . . . where are all the gobby office workers oh yeah they are in bed”

    Oh, aren’t you the working class hero!! I’ve not heard many people gobbier than a union worker. Enjoy your 40K for doing a piss easy job. I’m haven’t heard many people from the forces on here. Oh that’s right they are risking life and limb (5 dead in the last 5 days) for half what you earn. You people make me puke.

  24. I myself am ex Army, you sign for queen and country you risk life and limb, we do a very dangerous job day in day out dealing with idiots like you on the road.

  25. 32 K BASIC! what a bloody damn cheek so they get unsocial hours on top of this for a 45 hour week. Damn shocking greed. Nurses train for 3 years and midwives for another 18 months to earn

  26. “I myself am ex Army, you sign for queen and country you risk life and limb,”

    Relevance none. You are not in the army now, you are an overpaid driver now.

    ” we do a very dangerous job day in day out ”
    Really? Do you have any statistics on death rates or accident rates for petrol truck driver? My guess is they are close to zero, so dangerous it aint. No wonder you left the army. Must havebeen a bit much for you if you are scared of driving a petrol tanker.

    “dealing with idiots like you on the road.”

    Now you really are being stupid. You don’t even know if I drive, much less my standard of driving. So you are scared of petrol tankers, scared of other road users and scared of work.

  27. I can sympathise with tanker drivers who are attempting to share in the profits of their industry.
    I feel that it is important for them to remember that their actions are jeopardizing the livelihoods of others.
    I rely on fuel to run my business which brings me on average a wage of £14,000.
    my view is that tanker drivers should direct their actions at limiting the profits of those with whom they are in dispute.
    Please leave the rest of us out of your argument and allow us to get on with making a living.

  28. FORTY THOUSAND POUNDS A YEAR – for driving ! yippee !!!!

    I’ve had enough of wasting my time getting qualifications.. i’m going to get one of those ‘dangerous!!’ yeah they said dangerous!!! jobs that will be available soon.. thanks for the info .. join the dole.. then you’ll see how well off you were.

  29. BTW, I drive a 1 litre car, so forgive me if I am a little contemptous of you fearing me when on the road in your petrol tanker. Was it the salvation army that you served with?

  30. Let me enlighten you a idiots who think you can pass your LGV test and jump in a petrol tanker and go off on a jolly, delivering petroleum products.
    You prob dont know anything about ADR regulations, ullages, safe working volumes, advanced driving systems, smiths system. Proceedures on loading and unloading petroleum products, not to mention the cancer risk with high exposure to benzine vapours. You will be very shocked how many tanker drivers and oil industry workers die from cancer. In short we do alot more than jump in a truck full off baked beans and drive to a supermarket, open 2 doors and go for a sleep for an hour. I have been in this industry 15 years now and have seen big time charlies come and go, sacked after a cross over or some other serious incident. If a driver messes up it can run into millions of pounds. That is why oil companys and contractors will not employ anyone. Although one or two have slipped through the net of which they are found out fairly quickly.
    As for training . . . compared to nurses, doctors etc. You can ask any tanker driver, we are very highly trained and skilled drivers, we are constantly training in advanced driving and proceedures etc on average oil companys will not accept drivers with less than 2 years experience and you must be up to a decent standard of driving to be trained to an even higher standard. Have any of you guys tried driving a 44 ton load that is constantly moving and swaying? Do any of you guys know the real danger of petroluem spirit? Did you know an empty tanker is more dangerous than a loaded one? 75% of general public on the roads need to be re tested and i wont even go into the idiots i see refueling there cars. At the end of the day if it wasnt for tanker drivers doing such a great job incident free you could be looking at catastrophic results. As for the nurses and army etc they do a great job and deserve alot more money than they get, so lets not all bitch and get on our backs because 99.9% of you will never get a job driving tankers (if you wanted to) because your not good enough. We are worth every penny.

  31. ChrisM . . . you a 1st class wanker get a life and stop poking your nose into other peoples lifes fucking LOSER

  32. Shell driver, the concensus on here seems to be that you are the bunch of cunts. How about you get a job that you are happy with instead of holding the country to ransom with your greed. You are the fuckers affecting other peoples lives, not me my friend. Do fuck off you lazy shit.

  33. Tanker man, again I ask you what are the death rates of petrol tanker drivers? Why no answer? Could it be that the statistics show that it is not a dangerous profession afterall? Cite some stats, or we are entitled to think you claims are crap.

  34. no answer to my comments ChrisM? Death rate for tanker drivers in the UK is one in the last 5 years from what i recall, cause to crash by some idiot on the M56, burned to death. Its alot more dangerous than sitting at a office desk etc. YOU know nothning about the industry so wind your neck in and get on with your shitty life.

  35. The point here is that for years the large corporations have divided and conquered their workforce by contracting out their work to tender. The day hasn’t quite arrived where you yourself stand on your own to face a wage negotiation with the chairman of your company but will come. There is always a Polish citizen willing to do your job for 20% less. Welcome to the world Thatcher dreamed of. Oh and if you think this is bad then one day in the not so far off future the oil really will have run dry and the tanker drivers won’t have a job because there isn’t any left to transport. Let’s face it the world is completely screwed unless we all do something fast.

  36. “no answer to my comments ChrisM?”

    I did address your comments, such as they were.

    “Death rate for tanker drivers in the UK is one in the last 5 years from what i recall, cause to crash by some idiot on the M56, burned to death”

    Wow, one death in 5 years! How incredibly dangerous. On those figures, driving a car is hundreds if not thousands of times more dangerous. You are inumerate.

    ” Its alot more dangerous than sitting at a office desk etc.”
    Not on the the statistics you have just cited.

    “YOU know nothning about the industry so wind your neck in and get on with your shitty life.”

    You know nothing about my life you moron. But lets get one thing straight; you are aiming to affect the whole country with your strike. That makes it our fucking business you stupid little person.

    “BIO Fuel mate like i said you lot know nothing”

    Oh dear, you really should stop posting, you talk drivel every time.

  37. “The point here is that for years the large corporations have divided and conquered their workforce by contracting out their work to tender. ”

    This is a good thing. We don’t want unions to have power in the work place. They screw things up, ultimately making things more expensive for the consumer. And the consumer is what it should all be about, not the producer.

    “The day hasn’t quite arrived where you yourself stand on your own to face a wage negotiation with the chairman of your company but will come. ”
    Great, the sooner the better.

    “There is always a Polish citizen willing to do your job for 20% less. ”
    Excellant, that means goods and services that you buy will be cheaper.

    “Welcome to the world Thatcher dreamed of. ”
    Lets hope so.

    “Oh and if you think this is bad then one day in the not so far off future the oil really will have run dry and the tanker drivers won’t have a job because there isn’t any left to transport. ”
    Hmmm, so in the apocolyptic vision of the future you paint, the worse consequence that you can think of is that tanker drivers will not have jobs? Isn’t that a slightly strange priority?

    “Let’s face it the world is completely screwed unless we all do something fast.”

    At $130+ a barrel, you can be sure that a load of greedy industrialists are doing things very fast. There are huge amounts of money to be made in oil alternatives, and greed will save us.

  38. The greedy tanker drivers seem to forget
    that they received a one off £17,000 pay out from Shell when they were contracted out in 1992.

  39. Market forces dictate what pay people deserve, most Tanker Drivers working for the likes of DHL contracted to B.P, Morrisons, Asda, and network Fuels, Hoyer (Esso) get around 36k plus overtime. You may call the tanker drivers greedy its freedom of speech in this country. I would like to see some of you guys do the job. Would be quite funny

  40. “Market forces dictate what pay people deserve, ”

    Well that is certainly the way things should be, and if in a free market, the drivers get more, then all power to them. Although with all the rights that various workers get, sometimes certain jobs do not really operate in a free market. Subject to contracts, I beleive that anyone should be able to withdraw their labour if they are unhappy with the work or pay. However, I beleive that any employer should be free to sack anyone that does not do the job they are being paid to do.

    ” You may call the tanker drivers greedy its freedom of speech in this country. ”

    I am not sure that freedom of speech really comes into it. And I don’t have a problem with them being greedy. But some of the posters here seem to want it both ways. If market forces support their claim that they deserve more money they want to leave it to the market. If market forces don’t support their claim, then they go on about how much they deserve more money. Having it both ways is inconstitant at best, hypocritical at worst.

    “I would like to see some of you guys do the job. ”
    I would like to see them do the job as well instead of striking.
    Bu in any event, this is never relevant. Its the nature of specialisation that those who do a job for a living are better at that job than those that don’t. I’d like to see them run a metals business, cure the sick, fly a plane, write a web site, design a car etc. Would be funny.

    “Some of the Esso drivers got 110k, still we will get what we want in the end”
    I’d like to see you get what you deserve in the end too. All the time off in the world.

  41. ~~~ “Some of the Esso drivers got 110k, still we will get what we want in the end”
    I’d like to see you get what you deserve in the end too. All the time off in the world. ~~~
    Owned. =)

  42. All the time off in the world?
    That will never happen as long as there is a demand for fuel, and from what ive saw today alot of people panic buying.
    Market forces dictate what the pay scale is . . . you can not compare Tanker driving to Nurses, Forces or some one working in IT. As they are all completly different jobs. Tanker drivers have battled long and hard to get good working conditions over the last 40 years. These good conditions have been taken away over the last 10 years. I feel the worst is yet to come, with a possible mass walk out of every Tanker driver in the country. I dont know any industry that pays less wages than it did 15 years ago. Although im sure Chris will enlighten me.

  43. “All the time off in the world?
    That will never happen as long as there is a demand for fuel, and from what ive saw today alot of people panic buying.”

    Of course it can. As long as someone is prepared to do the job for less and they are allowed to. I am not saying that is likely to happen; just that that is all that is required.

    “Market forces dictate what the pay scale is . . . ”
    Clearly not. Stikes are being used in an attempt to determine pay.

    “you can not compare Tanker driving to Nurses, Forces or some one working in IT. As they are all completly different jobs. ”
    Of course you can. You can compare anything with anything else if the units are the same. For example, if a company is prepared to pay a cleaner 10K a year, and a programmer 30K a year, then the work on programmer does is worth three times to the company the work that a cleaner does. See, easy.

    “I feel the worst is yet to come, with a possible mass walk out of every Tanker driver in the country. ”
    Go for it. I would love it, as I imagine that would kill off your union power to hold the whole country to ransom.

    “I dont know any industry that pays less wages than it did 15 years ago. Although im sure Chris will enlighten me.”

    Well apart from only having your word for it that that is indeed the case, that could just as easily mean that you have been overpaid for the last 15 years. In which case I don’t know of any other industry that has been overpaid for 15 years. (I am sure you can enlighten me).

    Make up your mind, are you a supporter of market forces, or not. Because at the moment, your position is all over the place. The only thing you are consistent about is you want more pay. Well don’t we all. We don’t all hold the country to ransom over it though.

  44. ChrisM,
    I, on the other hand, have found your comments to be extremely interesting and well-informed. It is nice to see that the world has not gone completely mad, as is demonstrated daily in the media’s reporting of this ongoing saga of publicised greed, where – as another commentator has aforementioned – the drivers are merely pawns in the greater political game being used to further the profile of the idiotic Scargill-like Union leaders who are clearly inciting this bollocks.

  45. Getrude: A complete stranger, who I have swapped a few words with on a blog comment section hates me. Is this likely to be something I should care about?

    MarkG, you are probably right, and I allowed myself to get wound up a bit by a couple of gobby commenters who just do not seem to get why the rest of the country may not be as behind them as they seem to think we all ought to be. They may be being used as pawns, but the 3 supporters here clearly feel they are in the right. From a strictly self interested point of view, I just want the strike over asap, and don’t overly care whether that is because the unions give up, or the company gives up and pays them more money; its not my money after all. However, as a more general principle I don’t like unions bullying the country or bullying employers. And I don’t like picket lines which seek to bully people, to join the strike who may actually want to work. I don’t know why when demonstrations of other sorts are increasingly hard to hold, it is still acceptable to have a large group of people congregate with the express purpose of intimidating co workers.

  46. The attititude of some of the people who have posted here is simply unbeliveable, given that we (well, most of us) managed to crawl out from caves some years ago, began to walk upright and began to develop (or not as the case may be) language. I fear the tanker drivers posting here have yet to complete on a number, if not all, of these developments….
    The fuel protests in 2000 highlighted how sensitive the country was to fluctuations in fuel supply – you are now seeking to exploit this situation for your own (and your Union’s) gain. You are not as well trained and professional as you make out as I deal with a selection of you most days and listen to all manner of reasons why you crashed the truck, had a contamination, knocked over that sign, etc., etc.. You drive a truck. You connect some pipes at each point. You collect £40k pa. Piss take.
    As previous posters have quite fairly noted – £40k for your job is more than comensurate with your skill, training and professional ability and we do live in a free market. If you don’t feel it is then, please, fuck off and do something you really like; take up crochet, move to a pretty little village with your ‘hard earned’ money, anything, just stop bleating about being the downtrodden driver – it doesn’t wash you moronic, selfish, over-opinionated, under-acheiving bunch of 70’s throwbacks.

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  48. Can Shell no just sack the lot of them and use European haulage firms, the fuel costs would be cheaper?
    If the British fuel haulage industry is unprofitable can they no just outsource it, like any other industry?

  49. NEVER HEARD SO MUCH BULL SHIT FROM A BUNCH OF NO HOPERS WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE OIL INDUSTRY. ILL EARN MY 40K AND SOME ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE OIL INDUSTRY. WHY DONT YOU ALL BUY A PUSH BIKE AND PUT US ALL OUT OF WORK, AT LEAST I CAN LOOK FORWARD TO A 100K PAY OUT AND MY FAT PENSION, NOT TO MENTION MY SHARES . . .. LOVELY. YOUR ALL JEALOUS NOW FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR BEDSIT AND STRING VEST AND LEAVE ME TO MY LUXURY HOME AND VILLA IN SPAIN . . . . CHEERS FOR BUYING FUEL YOU SAD TWATS

  50. “AT LEAST I CAN LOOK FORWARD TO A 100K PAY OUT AND MY FAT PENSION, NOT TO MENTION MY SHARES ”

    And so they’re striking about what, precisely?

  51. Wanker Driver. You are not in the oil industry any more than Gordon Brown’s driver is in politics. You are in haulage. And we don’t need to be in the haulage industry to spot a bunch of lowlife union bully boys.

    insider, a superb comment.

  52. “Chancellor Alistair Darling also said the above-inflation pay deal was due to “particular problems” confined to the tanker dispute. “

    Translation: ‘Oh god, oh god, please don’t hurt us…!’

  53. Small point ChrisM,

    You said:

    “You can compare anything with anything else if the units are the same. For example, if a company is prepared to pay a cleaner 10K a year, and a programmer 30K a year, then the work on programmer does is worth three times to the company the work that a cleaner does. See, easy.”

    No, if that were true then the company would rather be filthy than pay 11k for a cleaner. In fact they pay 10k because there is a cleaner prepared to do it for 10k. If cleaners wouldn’t get out of bed for less than 20k, then cleaners would get 20k.

    How much it’s worth to the company is irrelevant. The amount is simply the sum of supply and demand in those sectors.

    So it is not possible to compare the value of a programmer to the value of a cleaner.

  54. Too many jealous gits on here..I’v driven for bp for 14 yrs, these salaries were offered to the drivers when they took the job, its called industry standard!

    Have you seen these fuckin Poles trying to drive normal trucks in the UK??….they’re fuckin hopeless..you really dont want one behind you with 36000lts ulg in a tank!!

    All those miffed at our pay rate..try http://www.jobcentreplus.co.uk…………..& get a proper fuckin wage & stop bleating coz we’re fuckin minted!!

  55. ChrisM..you want to see tanker drivers dangers, get onto Youtube & type in FUEL TANKER EXPLOSION……should be interesting viewing for your tiny mind!!

  56. “No, if that were true then the company would rather be filthy than pay 11k for a cleaner. ”
    No, they may just make the employees keep a tidier office. Or they may make a saving somewhere else.

    “In fact they pay 10k because there is a cleaner prepared to do it for 10k. If cleaners wouldn’t get out of bed for less than 20k, then cleaners would get 20k.”

    That is if I may say so, ridiculous. We have just taken on a cleaner for a certain price. If she tried to double her rate, we would do with out.

    “So it is not possible to compare the value of a programmer to the value of a cleaner.”
    You are wrong. That is exactly why we have currency instead of bartering. So that the value of disparate things CAN be compared.

    “ChrisM..you want to see tanker drivers dangers, get onto Youtube & type in FUEL TANKER EXPLOSION……should be interesting viewing for your tiny mind!!”

    Well its clearly larger than your mind which is apparently is so small that it thinks that you tube videos rather than statistics are the way to work out risk. Idiot.

  57. Shameful truckers on here, you may earn a lot more than you bloody deserve but you lack any morals or sense of decency. You are hated by your fellow comrades and your contracts will be short so u better get saving for that very close rainy day. yOU CANT BUY CLASS WITH YOUR 40+ k

  58. 1203, I EARN a fine wage thank you very much. You don’t earn a wage, you extort one. Given the posts you have made here, it’s a bit rich for you to be calling anyone a prick. You are clearly thick as shit and are certainly lucky to be earning anything other than minimum wage. So why don’t you count your blessings, shut up, and crawl back under your stone you lazy low life scum bag.

    kemble, well said.

  59. Wanker Driver. You are not in the oil industry any more than Gordon Brown’s driver is in politics.

    I have to say, tanker drivers working for a subcontractor of Shell delivering refined fuel around the UK claiming they work in the oil industry is stretching things a bit. None of these drivers will have come within hundreds of miles of unstabilised crude.

  60. YAWN…..Listen to you lot, still crying your eyes out because the guys got a pay rise, bet you lot are the spineless type who take whatever your employer(if you even have one) says you will be paid……….too scared to make a stand & upset because others can & do.

    & Chris…I dont work for Hoyer, I work for BP Oil UK & have no need to extort anything..I’m alright Jack!!

    OK folks…carry on with the jealousy infused ranting!!

  61. Well if you don’t work for Hoyer, then the whole dispute has as much do with you, as it does to do with anyone else commenting here.

    I don’t think most people here are jealous of the petrol tanker drivers (and certainly not of any of the twats who have posted here). Given the nature of this blog, a lot of people here are likely to be fans of the free market, that’s all, and so not generally fans of union bully boys.

    Certainly, like your not-so-good-self, I am also alright Jack. However I don’t like unions holding employers or the country to ransom as a point of principle (you may have to look that word up).

    Far from being spineless, I make sure I take a job which I am happy with rather than take it, then start whining about the terms and conditions like a petulant little child stamping my foot crying “its not fair”.

    Anyway, for me the silver lining is the more the unions play up, the quicker the last few will go the way of the rest of the dinasaurs. Its a scurge that has already been largely purged from much of the private sector, bar a last couple of industries. Their time will come soon enough.

  62. Oi, Chrism…you sound so envious of these fella’s, your insult riddled posting goes a long way to prove the jealousy point made by 1203-3ye!!….do you even have a job??

  63. Gotta agree buster, sound like a right whinging prat, maybe he’ll get a life someday, LIFE..Look it up sad boy!!
    Good on you tanker guys, stick together & dont end up like the tossers who let employers buy their right to union representation.

  64. You three sound like union types so I am not overly bothered by your thoughts on pretty much anything. You’ve got vested interests so anything you say is tainted by that. I have a job, and live off my own abilities, not by holding people to ransom. So don’t bother telling someone who earns an honest living to get a life. You are parasites living off the honest worker.

  65. Never been in a union in my life mate..just telling you what a prat you sound…we cant all be wrong!!!!!!knob.

  66. Union types??..Parasites??…We’ve got vested interests??……..Not everyone in the world is a union member!!

    The point being made(by a few people) is that you sound like the most envious moron on the planet!..the more you write, the more of an arsehole you sound to everyone.

    The drivers got their settlement, so you’ll just have to toddle back to your minimum wage job & live with it…& keep your silly mouth closed!!

  67. Well said mate, Chris is a fucking low life grubby little shit who has prob tried to get a job on tankers but is too much of a wanker. WELL DONE SHELL, and thanks for the thankyou letter for our help in your fight against greedy oil companys, job well done and lets hope the rest follow suit on your brave stand

  68. Well this is getting a bit boring now. The important point is, that at the start of the thread tanker drivers were claiming they ought to have more because
    1) The market said they should
    2) The job was difficult
    3) The job was dangerous

    By the end of the thread those same people have had their initial claims shown to be total bollocks, and they know it. So they have dropped those ridiculous initial claims and are just gloating over their un earned pay and being gobshites.

  69. There you go again, talking shite.

    1)Market rates go up…in any job.

    2)The job isnt ‘difficult’..because we know what we’re doing.

    3)The job is kept safe due to our professionalism.

    So do the world a favour, fuck off & die you dickhead!!

  70. The tanker drivers bleeting about their hazards. What about air hostesses? All jobs carry risk and danger. Nurses have to live on 5 grand for 3 years just to qualify, get a degree, work shifts for 20 grand and get a pittance extra for the nights and shifts dealing with blood, sharps, radiation, physical and mental and emotional abuse, keep professionally updated and pay the governing body for the priveledge

  71. deal with death, bereavement, moaning selfish people, responsibility with lives in their hands, poo, urine, vomit, wounds, dangerous equipment, cytotoxic and other harmful drugs such as entonox, syntometrine, lift big heifers and do their backs in, the threat of a large hospital being targeted by terrorism, body lice, nits, i could go on and on and many other jobs are the same so shut up i hope your contracts run out

  72. Kemble……….you’re another boring bastard, so fuck off!!
    Who the fuck wants to do shitty nurses job for poxy £20k???..more fools them!

    GET A FUCKIN PROPER WAGE YA LOSERS!!

  73. So 12:03 on point 1, you are quite simply wrong. Dn’t even bother to try and make any economic comment. It is clear that you are in so far over your head that you are just making a tool of yourself. And on points 2 and 3 you essentially agree with me. I am beginning to think that most of the tanker drivers here are in fact trolls. Surely even a tanker driver cannot be so fucking stupid as to make some of the comments being made here.

  74. ChrisM…are you really trying to say that wage rates don’t go up thru time???

    Have a good read thru the posts on here, the other posters seem to haveyou pegged for exactly what you are….some envious, ignorant arsehole.

    The stupid comments seem to come from you, & so as you know, I’m not a tanker driver, but I wish the cunts I work with had the bottle to make a stand like these guys did…bet you’re in the same boat & won’t admit it!!

  75. You lot need to look around you. Last Fri. only one tanker spotted on road between north gwent and cardiff. what does that tell you all?

  76. Could some one send the number for shell am trying to get an application for shell tankers but ever time i think am getting close something always seems to get in my way thanks……

  77. All the fucking wankers who think driving a HGV is easy make me sick i dont drive tankers (wish i did) but driving any HGV is a very dangerous job you work long hours driving for up to 10 hours i get up at 0300 in the morning to start work at 0400 i have to be ont the ball all day if i lapse concentration for one second i could kill myself or a family and go to jail.Not to mention severe weather you have to deal with like high winds blizzards ice all making the risks even higher.The money for driving has gone shit it was good years ago its all because of ass holes in offices thinking driving is easy cos you sat on you arse all day.I hope anyone who thinks that rots in hell i wish i had done better in school so i didnt have to drive for a living.

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