Thought of the day

So, erm, MPs are not not thought either competent enough or trustworthy enough to rule themselves.

So why does anyone at all, let alone the MPs themselves, think they are competent or trustworthy enough to rule us?

13 thoughts on “Thought of the day”

  1. Some of them fiddled their expenses, just like everyone on expenses tries to claim everything they possibly can. Most of them were operating within the rules. If you allow people to nominate a home, they’re going to nominate that one which is most profitable to them. Anyone would do the same. Is it morally right? No, but it’s human nature. It’s self interest.

    So, should there be some wrists slapped? Yes. Should those who have actually comitted fraud be investigated? Yes. Does this prove that current MPs are the worst scum to ever hold office? No. Considering the billions in tax money sloshing around the “third sector” this matter is trivial; a diversionary witch hunt.

    It is not going to get us better government, or better MPs. It is going to weaken the democratic government- the already desperately weakened parliament- and strengthen the extra governmental governance mob. The idea that “independent” people- that is, the crony establishment profiting in both money and power in what Sean Gabb calls “The Enemy Class”- are morally superior will be strengthened. The myth that these “independent” bodies are morally pure will be strengthened. The central idea that MPs are our employees and it is *our* job to sack them if they are found wanting will be further weakened.

    The narrative here is about rich nobs with castles and moats. The pressure for every MP to be an Enemy Class clone will be further intensified. This is a very bad day for the remnant of our democracy.

    When will the press turn its fury on the real enemy- that enemy class of parasites in the quangocracy and third sector? When do we get to see the investigation and witch hunt about their profligacy and waste, and their expenses claims and nice little earners?

    We’re going to be waiting a long time for that, I think.

  2. Ian B makes some good points, but he’s missing Tim’s main point. And that is, why should we allow those in power to have so much control over our lives when they can’t even run their own ship?

  3. Expenses should be seen as a basic test of competency and probity. With complete transparency for expense submissions (so we can see what is reimbursed and what is refused), simple rules and a means to recall an MP from Parliament it could easily become one.

    Efforts to hand off responsibility to a Government appointed quango must be resisted. Not least because of the constitutional issue of Parliamentary sovereignty. They should answer to us and no one else. There should be no intermediary muddying the waters.

    They tried it with the Fees Office so they could hide behind ‘it was within the rules’ and ‘we had permission to trough’.

  4. That’s why we need those examples of maturity, wisdom and probity in Brussels to make our important decisions for us. 😉

  5. AntiPitizenDrone

    You don’t live in a republic. Government in the UK is not by “the consent of the governed”. It never has been. Nor is the UK Parliament employed to serve the wishes of the British people. It never has been.

    That’s why the Founding Fathers made such a phrase explicit when they wrote the Declaration of Independence.

    You really don’t know what State you’re in, do you?

  6. Says someone who’s name says they don’t even live in their own country.

    Can I just say that an LVT funding a Citizens Dividend would be a strong force for keeping the size of the government small (and the CD large).

  7. Different Martin.

    In the absence of a new government, you’ll stick with this tired and corrupt duopoly?

    And freedom died, not with a bang, but with a shrug.

  8. Oh, Tim, for God’s sake give it up.

    You remember this thing called ‘the law’? That’s what says Parliament rules us. Members of Parliament may be venal shitheads – but that does not mean we should all dance around the maypole singing hosannas to Hayek and spontaneous order, while consigning parliamentarians, and by extension Parliament itself, to the dustbin.

    This post strikes me as being a sort of soft, fair trade version of Cromwellism – what is its point? Please, what is its point? That people are bad? That people are stupid and venal? We know this. We gain no new insight from saying it again and again and again. So why leave a proposition like ‘why does anyone at all, let alone the MPs themselves, think they are competent or trustworthy enough to rule us’ hanging in mid-air like a Kiwi bungee-jumper? What, or who, would you put in their place? Bloggers? God no, the country would be like the bridge of the ‘Event Horizon’ within 10 minutes.

    I’m a bit like Dirty Harry in ‘Magnum Force’ in such discussions – until you show me something better than the law, I’ll stick with it.

  9. Tim asks a good question: when MPs bleat that they cannot run their own affairs, then that rather begs the question of what is the point of Parliament.

    The real answer is that untrammelled democracy is just a big a threat to freedom as overt tyranny from a single dictator or group of nations. the real remedy is to enforce, and uphold, the checks and balances provided by the Common Law, the upper house, the courts, and for that matter, to ensure that the size of the state is rolled back so much that the power of governments to damage our lives is heavily constrained.

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