Good argument this one

John Band notes that because people living in Victoria or Western Australia don\’t get to vote on who runs New South Wales therefore there should not be an English Parliament.

17 thoughts on “Good argument this one”

  1. Sydneysiders, being a laid-back and sensible bunch of people…

    Hmm. The letters page of the SMH would say otherwise.

    And I’ve always thought those from QLD were far more laid back than those from Sydney or Melb.

  2. a bizarrely contradictory argument – London needs a controlling body of its own but England doesn’t because we should be relaxed about all those Scottish MPs acting in the best interests of the whole population.

  3. As a resident of England I want an English parliament. It could use the current House of Commons. The British Parliament could be set up at Berwick, and manned by members of the English and Scottish Parliaments, and the Welsh and NI assemblies, so that we avoid paying for too many politicians.

  4. this is my commentWagga Wagga is in New South Wales and that is why the people of Wagga Wagga get to vote in NSW state elections.Wagga has its own local councils and so does the city of Sydney CBD in the town hall in George St with Clover Moore as Mayor.Wagga councilors do not vote on City of Sydney matters and vice versa.
    Now!supposing Western Australian MP’s in the Federal Parliament in Canberra, wanted more powers than other states in certain areas,but still wanted to have a say in the affairs of those other states when the MP’s from other states could not have a say in devolved WA,we would then have the Nullabor Question and not the West Lothian Question.
    I am one of those un-laid-back, un-sensible types who devote their time to campaigning for an English parliament despite England making up 84% of the UK’s population

  5. I must say that I would prefer a British Parliament, but as thing stand the English have been let down by all politicians, badly. Looking in from outside the Westminster bubble, not one MP has worked on th governance of the whole. But of course, this was the intended consequence of being in the EU, England had to be sidelined, to be destroyed. As a United Kingdom such a thing could not have happened, a lot tried and all failed. We have only lost because of our own MPs.

  6. Diogenese – the argument is quite clear (whether you agree or not), isn’t it? You don’t need your own parliament if you account for a huge share of a larger parliament – Sydney, NSW, England, UK, but not London, England.

  7. “You don’t need your own parliament if you account for a huge share of a larger parliament “: it may be clear, but mainly in the sense of being clearly bollocks.

  8. I want a clean divorce from Scotland, not the crazy, skewed setup we have now. If that means complete independance for England, I would be all in favour of it.

  9. Eh? My point had cock-all to do with Victoria or WA.

    NSW doesn’t account for the vast majority of the Aussie population, hence why it makes sense to have a federal government and a state government.

    But Sydney does account for the vast majority of NSW’s population, hence why it doesn’t make sense to have a state government and a metropolitan government.

    Similarly, England does account for the vast majority of the UK’s population…

  10. many Australians would agree that there are too many layers of government.Over the last few years there has been many forced council amalgamations and regionalisation which is I believe a lead up to the scrapping of state governments. far better for Northern NSW and Southern Queensland to form a regional council.
    However, if WA decides against it which is likely,could it lead to secession by West Australia, they were very reluctant to join in the commonwealth in the first place?

  11. and another thing, the Australian Federal Senate has equal representation for all states regardless of population which is something that could be done if they scrap the Lords and create a new British Grand committee there.The Commons could then be used for the English Parliament with hopefully a drastic reduction in MP’s.

  12. which is I believe a lead up to the scrapping of state governments

    Genuine question – do you live here? I’ve only been around for a couple of months, but in my travels through WA, Tassie and Victoria and my attempting-to-start-a-life in NSW, the impression that I’ve got from everyone I’ve met is that if the federal government were to plan to abolish state governments, there’d be an immediate revolution everywhere…

  13. yes i live here 35 years on and off. yes a lot of people would object to scrapping state goverments,a lot would not.

  14. Too late to this thread, but as far as English Independance is concerned, I worry that we might not manage on our own.

    For me, the ideal solution would be for England to opt out of both the UK and Europe and become the 51st state of the US. Whether the Jocks, Taffs and Paddies want to join as separate states is up to them.

    For those that worry that England is a bit to Anti-American to become a state, I would argue that we’re no more Anti than California or New York, (or come to that Washington DC in it’s current state), and I’m sure that a very speedy trip to the SCOTUS to sort out our gun laws would be welcomed by many, and coupled with the fact that we could then vote for the President of the union and our own Senators rather than having the likes of Van Rumpey and the EU commissioners thrust upon us would soon cheer up some of the doubters.

    As for the Aussies? Well, they are big and ugly enough to sort out their own mess.

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