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Tax is the price for living in a democracy

The services are free

Even by the standards of our favourite retired accountant that\’s bizzare.

So a US citizen living in England does not have the vote, is not part of the Demos, therefore they don\’t have to pay taxes. But they get to use the NHS n\’all for free?

People who are resident but non domiciled should not be paying UK tax?

Isn\’t that entirely different from what he keeps telling us should happen?

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  1. Even allowing for Richard’s liking for Keynesianism, I think you are being a little harsh on him. He is right about how the scale of tax avoidance and evasion is now a huge problem for very many states and makes it impossible to balance budgets. But the sheer complexity of the unholy tax and spending mess we are in is giving us some nasty issue with who pays tax to who and why and where the money should go.

  2. More Murphy haiku? Tax as the price for living in a democracy is historically misinformed, for sure: it used to be the price you paid for (a) not being the king, and (b) not fighting in the king’s pointless foreign adventures.

    The truth is that tax is the price for living with a government. Sometimes it can be worth the price, other times not.

  3. “Tax avoidance is NEVER a problem. It’s a fundamental right.”
    Are you seriously arguing that a fundamental right can never be a problem?

  4. I’m merely pointing out the usual confusion between evasion and avoidance.

    The former is a crime but avoidance is not only legal but has been defined in a famous judgment by Lord Clyde: “No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores.”

  5. Last time I looked, even dictatorships had taxes and we had taxes since feudal times.

    If it were indeed “a price we pay”, then we should be able to refuse and so end the rule along with the benefits.

    No, the term is “taxes are the extortions we endure while living within a State”.

    p.s. it is our freedom to avoid taxes. I prefer this to the dubious term “right”. We are born with freedoms, rights are granted to us by the whim of another.

  6. Demetrius said: “He is right about how the scale of tax avoidance and evasion is now a huge problem for very many states and makes it impossible to balance budgets.”

    Government spending is now a huge problem for very many states and makes it impossible to balance budgets.

    They do not *have* to spend so much.

  7. Tax avoidance is a sign of a complex and unfair tax system. With a simple tax system which is fair (not the left’s definition of fair, but the actual definition) avoidance is lessened because there is less need to avoid it.

  8. So do you reckon Murphy will start campaigning for votes for tax-paying immigrants? After all, it’s hardly fair to make us pay the price of democracy when we don’t actually get to take part in it.

    No taxation without representation, etc. etc. The least they could do is give all the foreigners one MP. His constituency could be called Here Be Dragons.

  9. “No taxation without representation, etc. etc. ”

    Your homeland leads the way on this outrage, having been founded on the slogan. Worse, non-voting immigrants have been drafted to fight for the US. “No dying for the nation without representation” eh?

    Being beastly to immigrants has a long and ignoble history.

  10. “Your homeland leads the way on this outrage, having been founded on the slogan. Worse, non-voting immigrants have been drafted to fight for the US. “No dying for the nation without representation” eh?

    Being beastly to immigrants has a long and ignoble history.”
    Are they drafted by force or is it voluntary?

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