@UKuncut on the NHS

The Royal College of General Practitioners has warned that the government\’s NHS plans jeopardise the principle of universal healthcare, saying that \”we are moving headlong into an insurance-type model\”. If there is any confusion about what an insurance-type model looks like, simply look across the pond to the United States.

Or France, generally regarded as having the best health care service in the world.

That\’s an insurance model, too.

Or, in fact, many if not most places. We\’re the od people out, with our system of having government be the provider, not just the financier, of health care.

17 thoughts on “@UKuncut on the NHS”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Yes, yes, UKuncut are plonkers. They wouldn’t recognise a clue if it was encased in a concrete block and dropped on them from great height.

    That’s not the real issue. We, or rather I, want to know who the blogger to named the super injuncted names was and why it wasn’t you? (Actually Guido was my first guess but it seems not)

  2. We, or rather I, want to know who the blogger to named the super injuncted names was and why it wasn’t you? (Actually Guido was my first guess but it seems not)

    Trouble is that some of it is wrong!

  3. Or, in fact, many if not most places. We’re the od people out, with our system of having government be the provider, not just the financier, of health care.

    Our system is so good that no-one has copied it.

  4. The fuckwittery in the comments is quite something to behold. As usual, anyone who questions the wonderfulness of the NHS and wants to change it is ‘Ideologically’ driven, whereas those who support the status quo are motivated only by love, kindness and fluffy bunnies.
    Funny how NHS supporters rarely seem to mention the interests of Patients. They always talk about Doctors and Nurses.

  5. I find it amazing that UKuncut (or more appropriately, UKunhinged) have not pounced on those capitalist bastards, the GP’s, who are running self-employed practices for profit, rather than being state employees.

  6. An insurance system would be better. The problem is getting there from here. Don’t bet on plastic-faced Dave and his morons making anything other than a total balls-up of the job.

  7. Personally, if I were running the NHS, I would much prefer to run a control organisation and use the best suppliers at best cost.

    Why do people all assume that no company has anything other than a short-term outlook and couldn’t give a flying f**k if somebody’s Dad died. And don’t give me the States as I can say France.

    Don’t tell me state provided services haven’t killed people ‘cos they have. I know private can do the same. Crap organisations run by crap people. They can be weeded out if we reform but right now we need to kill a lot of oldies before any NHS hospital is called to account.

    People seem to imagine that any reform means total dismantling of the NHS (so far nobody has said they want to get rid of it). Already, the NHS successfully outsources to GPs, buys operations from private suppliers and buys all supplies in (or should we get the NHS to set up drug companies and bandage weavers co-operatives????)

    What I can’t stand is the given that I do not care about the quality of the NHS ‘cos I might be rich. I favour a more efficient NHS run by the Government for patients and not for the employees. And no I don’t want to shoot all the employees either.

  8. Pay for insurance, pay into a state scheme or pay at the door. What’s so hard to understand?

  9. The ugly truth behind the NHS is that once the state is paying your premiums it assumes a carte blanche on dictating how you should lead your life, curtailing the liberty of those who are sensible enough not to need health “advice” and providing excuses for the self-abusive welfare leeches.

    The nanny state is what is keeping the NHS alive, any other model gives individual responsibility a chance, a rare opportunity for liberalism to show it’s face for a change. Our current batch of control freaks can’t have that, can they ?

    Go back to a regular insurance model and all those worthless and expensive anti-drink, anti-smoking and anti-obesity campaigns can be stopped, it wont be the state’s responsibility any more. Once people see threefold or more increases in premiums they’ll start laying off the booze, fags and macdonalds. If they don’t and it’s like car insurance, then the piss-artist, smoke-ridden fatties will actually start subsidising the rest of us instead of the other way round.

    And if you want to drink/smoke/eat yourself to death and agree to pay for the risk yourself, then that’s just fine.

  10. Of course there is no policy to move towards an insurance based NHS, but the author of the warning, a Ms Clare Gerada, is self proclaimed socialist who aims to phase out the traditional GP practice in favour of larger centrally controlled organisations.

  11. Always wondered whether GP practices, as partnerships, benefit from the reduced level of tax that partnerships can enjoy. Anyone know?

  12. Ian:

    We in the US have an insurance-based model and the Nanny State ad campaigns.

    I tend to think of the Nanny Staters as a bunch of perverts who get their rocks off running other people’s lives.

  13. Who pays is secondary to who provides?

    The main problem with the NHS is not single payer – the State – but monopoly provider, the State.

    The State as single payer could be kept and the provision – hospitals, equipment, land, property and good will, sold off. This would yield huge windfall income to the Treasury, and get a huge lump of payroll off the PSBR.

    The advantage of removing State monopoly as insurer as well, is it takes some of the burden away from the Public Purse depending to what degree the State still provides cover. (In France it is up to 70%).

    The State would in any case need to carry some burden for insuring those on low means or with chronic conditions who otherwise could not afford/could not get private insurance.

    It is not difficult, it just needs the political will, courage and time – instead of tinkering with constitutional reform that nobody wants.

  14. Why is the current structure of the NHS seemingly untouchable? Why does it come third as an employer after the Chinese red army and Indian Railways? It should move to an insurance based model which usually is a mix of insurance and public finance like Germany, france (superb healthcare system) or the Irish Republic. I would rather pay my income tax share camouflaged as NI to an insurance company of my choice, not a ponzi scheme. There should be competition in the NHS re the quality of what is on offer. Money should follow the patient.

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