Sacking incompetent teachers

So this bloke is bad enough that he\’s been banned from teaching to protect the children.

Members of the council were told that problems went back to 2003 and – despite intensive help and support from the school and local authority – little improvement had been made.

And it\’s been going on for 9 years.

The council heard that he was a \”very significant\” reason for Crymlyn being branded a “school causing concern” by the Welsh education watchdog Estyn in 2010.

Erm, don\’t we think that we might want a system that deals with such problems rather faster than that? That\’s near two entire cohorts moving through a junior school having their education screwed up by just one man.

And how did he get to be a Deputy Head?

It is only the fourth time the profession’s regulatory body in Wales has barred a teacher for professional incompetence. It has heard five cases in the last decade.

In England, just 17 teachers were officially struck off for the same reason between 2001 and 2011, despite fears that many more are being allowed to slip through the net.

Err, yes, I think it would be fair to say that others are slipping through the net. In any walk of life some people just aren\’t suited to whatever it is that is being done: Sir Pterry\’s example of the vampire who goes to work in the holy water bottling plant comes to mind.

There\’s something around 440,000 teachers in the country (E&W I think) and I simply refuse to believe that only two of those in any year deserve to be fired for incompetence.

A 0.00045% get rid of the idiots rate just doesn\’t look like anyone is taking hunting for the idiots seriously.

It would not surprise me at all to find out that the striking off rate for doctors and or solicitors is orders of magnitude higher than that.

18 thoughts on “Sacking incompetent teachers”

  1. A 0.00045% get rid of the idiots rate just doesn’t look like anyone is taking hunting for the idiots seriously.

    In a major oil company that would be seen as a bloodbath!

  2. “In a major oil company that would be seen as a bloodbath!”

    On the board, maybe, but I would be surprised if BP had only sacked 10 employees last year.

  3. Just a small sample, I know, but I was chair of governors for a school for a while until real life (and job) got in the way. Having worked in industry all my life, I would not (and than God did not) employ 10% of the teachers in that school. Two were so bad I asked the head to get rid and recruit people who knew what they were doing. She said it was “impossible” and the LEA and unions would be all over us.

    Fortunately, one of the teachers had a breakdown and retired early, and the other left for deputy head job. I was lucky and the children even luckier because we recruited two brilliant and inspiring teachers.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    A 0.00045% get rid of the idiots rate just doesn’t look like anyone is taking hunting for the idiots seriously.

    It would not surprise me at all to find out that the striking off rate for doctors and or solicitors is orders of magnitude higher than that.

    So they get rid of 0.045% of their incompetents?

  5. How did he get to be deputy head?

    In those circumstances kicking a person upstairs might be the least worst solution available. I suspect that was also what happened in the situation mentioned by Chris in the comment above.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Chris – “I was lucky and the children even luckier because we recruited two brilliant and inspiring teachers.”

    And five years down the track, due to appalling pupils, a total lack of discipline or accountability, no support from their Head whatsoever, a chaotic and dysfunctional Department in Whitehall, ever changing targets and general incompetence from their peers, they became just as bad?

  7. But surely Tim isn’t 0.00045% something like the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere (0.00039%) which – according to what I understand you believe – is sufficient to cause catastrophic global warming? It appears then that you assert, in one case that minuscule amounts of “polluting” elements have enormous (if statistically unproved) consequences while in the other that such a percentage is derisory. Please make up your mind.

  8. There were 246,064 doctors in the UK at the GMC’s last count. The most recent figure I can find for doctors struck off in a year is 92, in 2010. So the GMC’s hit rate is about 0.037%.

    SMFS: you might want to note that this is a percentage of all doctors, not of incompetent doctors.

    Umbongo: the number you’re looking for is 0.039% or so. Is incompetent teaching to blame for the drivel most denialists come up with?

  9. PaulB

    You’re correct – serves me right for using a calculator instead of a scrap of paper. I would note though that in your comment, while pointing out my arithmetical error, you couldn’t resist the drive-by, all-purpose abuse of AGW sceptics as “denialist”: typical and pathetic.

  10. Solicitors are approx 120,000. Apparently 84 were struck off in the year to 30 September 2010 (a record). I think (source not v clear) that 79 were then struck off in the next six months.

    So that ‘s about 0.07% or possibly 0.13% if that latest s/o rate continues.

    But it’s not really comparable – most striking off is for dipping into client account rather than simple incompetence. The merely incompetent may be booted out by employers/partners or lose clients and/or become unable to afford PI insurance. They don’t necessarily get struck off.

  11. If the general public ever got wind of the fact that 50% of doctors are of below-average competence there would be calls to sack the 50%.

  12. On the board, maybe, but I would be surprised if BP had only sacked 10 employees last year.

    I was being a bit facetious, but thinking about it, even after the Macondo disaster I am not sure anyone was actually fired from the company as a result. Tony Hayward was removed from his position as CEO but remained an employee, and AFAIK quit of his own accord. Maybe that driller who was company man on the Deepwater Horizon was shown the door, but that’s about the level of thing you’d need to do to get sacked.

    I could name only 1 person who was sacked from Shell during 4 years of hanging around their operations in Sakhalin: David Greer, former project director of the Sakhalin II project who gave a “back me or sack me” ultimatum to his employers in The Hague. They chose the latter.

    I never heard of anyone sacked from Exxon in the year I was close to them, although there were always rumours of somebody being run off for alcoholism in north Sakhalin which were always unsubstantiated.

    In my own company, I have never heard of any staff being sacked for incompetence or anything else, but then again we are French. And I know nothing about Chevron, but suspect it’s much the same there.

    BP would have got rid of many a contractor, and pensioned off a lot of people, but I’d be surprised if they sacked 10 members of staff for incompetence last year.

  13. In those circumstances kicking a person upstairs might be the least worst solution available.

    Ah, you’ve just discovered Shell’s HR policy!

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  15. Umbongo: if you manage to get your arithmetic right, and if you produce for comparison a coherent analysis of what level of CO2 might be needed to give a significant greenhouse effect, and if you wait for a discussion of AGW before you inflict your thoughts about it on us, then I’ll be ready to discuss with you the nature of pathos. Until then, I stand astonished at my own moderation.

  16. I assess organizations against the retail shrinkage rate of 2% (which implies 2% bent employees). If the exposed bad apple level in any organization is much less than that, the organization is bent. If it’s much more, ditto. If it’s about the same it’s normal human frailty.

    That stops one getting worked up about 2% ish levels of corrupt police, thieving politicians, rapacious foreigners, groping security agents etc.

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