This is amusing

Hospitals are to be encouraged by the government to sell their services abroad, setting up clinics with the famous NHS brand to pull in much-needed cash for the health service from overseas.

Are we actually certain that Johnny Foreigner views the NHS in quite the same way that some of us do? That Wonder Of The World, That Shining Beacon?

After all, no Johnny Foreigner has ever got around to actually copying the NHS, have they?

19 thoughts on “This is amusing”

  1. I presume we are selling NHS medical skills overseas rather than the method of funding and managing the NHS ?

    I’m no expert but I assume the likes of Great Ormond Street are world class in their particular medical field.

  2. Oh, I don’t know. Bit unfair that. Johnny Foreigner sees the advantages the Brits have with a health service, free at the point of delivery. So much so, they copy the Brits & use the same one.

  3. Well maybe Cuba who seem to be having second thought themselves after the death of 26 mental patients suffering cold and malnutrition in 2010 at a Havana psychiatric Hospital, which ever one seem to think is quite normal for the Cuban system.

    Obviously no figures available as Cubans cant sue the bollocks off the socialists.

  4. Not sure about elsewhere but over here (in NZ) the general rule amongst my peers is that, if you have to, then NHS is ok; but if it can wait, even painfully, then get it fixed over here. And we have a reciprocal health agreement which gives us free treatment in the UK (and vice versa).

  5. I heard a fella on the radio this morning from the think tank that has come up with this, and he was at pains to make the point that, as you say, the NHS is not the shining beacon that people think it is, and that we have to move away from the parochial notion that we do it the best way… because the fact that nobody else does it the same way should tell us more than it, evidently, seems to.

    So the point of the idea is rather to enter that market and more fully participate in the exchange of ideas and innovations. It’s about what we can learn, as much as it’s about what we can provide.

    All perfectly well reasoned, I thought.

  6. “James // Aug 21, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Not sure about elsewhere but over here (in NZ) the general rule amongst my peers is that, if you have to, then NHS is ok; but if it can wait, even painfully, then get it fixed over here.”
    Why? Just out of interest.

  7. roym (#1) and BiS (#3) – poorer Johnny Foreigners may like to use the NHS for free, as opposed to paying for healthcare at home. But this proposal is to persuade Johnny Foreigner to pay for NHS-style treatment at home, which is a very different proposition.

  8. ” But this proposal is to persuade Johnny Foreigner to pay for NHS-style treatment at home, which is a very different proposition.”

    And this policy is coming from the Dept for Heath or The MOD? If the latter, not sure the Geneva Convention permits reprisals on civilian populations.

  9. Great Ormond street has masses of non-NHS income. A lot of the work done there is on kids from all over the world with extremely rare conditions. If you want to specialise in say separating conjoined twins, we don’t produce enough of them in the UK to practice on. The world has an abundant supply of such “freaks” to use for medical training purposes.All very interesting but absolutely nothing to do with 99.99999% of health care treatment needs. Setting up a hospital overseas with the same name as a famous NHS hospital is an entertainment for a few doctors and administrators. Needless to say, the Labour droids immediately jump up and down screeching “Privatisation, run for your lives.!”

  10. #London Calling
    Of course, Great Ormond Street predates the NHS by nearly a century and still relies, to a large extent, on charitable donations. And yet the left will claim its success as proof that the NHS is the ‘Envy of the World’.

  11. Yes, the rest of the world is so envious of it they seek neither to create one for themselves nor to all descend on our shores to use ours.
    Our politicians push for local decisions taken by local people. We then have postcode lottery on cancer (and other) drugs.
    Admittedly things have improved since the 70s. Now its possible for a 7 year old with a broken arm to only wait 3 hours to be seen on a quiet night rather than 5 hours. Progress indeed. But not quite the envy of the world.

  12. From what I can gather from the may foreigners I’ve met, those from the civilized world raise an eyebrow at the quaintness of the “free at the point of use” concept, whilst politely referring to the somewhat inferior standard of service which results from it. Those from less civilized countries think it is a brilliant idea, but then I’m not sure being the “envy of places like Nigeria” has the same ring to it. Those lot are impressed if the traffic lights work.

  13. Re: David // Aug 21, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    A mixture of worries about cleanliness, poor nursing, waiting lists and “shortcuts” in diagnostics meaning they solve the problem but not the cause. There have been a number of stories, especially so with the large number of British doctors over here (or British experienced with our propensity to come to the UK in our twenties / thirties). So general rule is to go with emergency but anything else wait and get it done properly!

  14. As a Johnny Foreigner, I wouldn’t specifically seek to get services with the NHS brand. I don’t live in Britain and I have no personal experiences with NHS, but the clash of propaganda by NHS and differing user experiences by actual people tells me that there’s huge variation in what the system might produce.

    Rather the opposite. Same as with the public health care system of my own country: I try to stay away from it, but I know there are many great doctors and other staff both in and around that system. The one who operated David Beckham’s Achilles tendon, for instance. Trusted by many people around the world. Not because of the great Finnish public health care service. The world really couldn’t care less about our public health care service (except for those who have no coverage and wish to have some – then they may be actually very eager to come here). The world knows the reputation of that guy and his clinic. A private one, and specialized enough to be expert in this particular kind of operation.

  15. I came across into an old (in both senses) acquaintance last weekend: he and his wife had returned from Spain because they much prefer the UK health service.

    Which is not necessarily to say they would have been willing to pay to use it.

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