Can we lay to rest any idea that these people are conservatives?

Supermarkets \’to be banned from discounting multiple wine bottles\’
Supermarkets will be banned from discounting multiple bottles of wine under Government plans to be set out within days. The Coalition’s alcohol strategy — expected to be launched next week — will propose that special deals which encourage shoppers to buy in bulk should be outlawed, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.


That\’s really very funny in one manner
. For if wholesale quantities are not cheaper than retail ones then how in hell can the wholesale chain work? How are you going to differentiate between the corner shop stocking up at the cash and carry, or the B&B doing the same, and someone nipping in to stock up for a party?

It\’s also quite appalling in another manner. For if the Tories are acting like this, and we all know that Labour would be worse, then where is the possibility of having a government that treats us as adults?

We\’re back to hang the lot of them I suppose.

21 thoughts on “Can we lay to rest any idea that these people are conservatives?”

  1. That one’s easy: the cash-and-carry doesn’t sell in retail units in the first place, so it doesn’t discount a case of wine against a single bottle – it doesn’t sell single bottles.

    What this does is prohibit anyone from being both a wholesaler and a retailer at the same time.

    That’ll work fine for offies (retail) and cash-and-carrys (wholesale) but not for fancy wine merchants (both).

  2. They’ve already done it up here. The usual “5% off if you buy 6” has gone – any discounts based on quantity (of booze) banned.

    Mind you, the Nats are quite clear about being a hard-left bunch of statist worriers about our ideological purity.

  3. From the Act:

    A package containing two or more alcoholic products (whether of the same or different kinds) may only be sold on the premises at a price equal to or greater than the sum of the prices at which each alcoholic product is for sale on the premises.

  4. @Surreptitious Evil
    Just curious, does this law also apply to champagne, for example, in a Jéroboam (3 litres) when compard with a Magnum (1.5 litres)?

  5. What’s a supermarket? Easy to say Morrisons is. Easy to say Filshill are a cash and carry. But what is CostCo? What are the requirements for trade access to C&Cs? A proper business or just the requirement to buy a minimum quantity/amount.

  6. C&C is usually a business needed. Not necessary to be a business in that trade in all C&Cs – I’ve membership in C&Cs that don’t do anything my company sells, but darn useful at Christmas.
    Not all C&Cs are cheaper than the supermarket when you consider the offers available, but does depend on what offers each is doing.

  7. I buy my wine 300 bottles at a time, which usually works out at a year’s-worth. It’s cheaper, and it takes me one day which I rather enjoy.

    It’s the incoherence of these people that amazes me. I could buy my wine in two-bottle lots, but that would necessitate 150 trips to Sainsbury’s or Majestic or wherever, which would presumably screw the environment.

    I appreciate that not everyone can buy 300 botts at a time, but surely buying in some sort of bulk should be encouraged by ‘the Greenest Tories ever’.

  8. I assume it’s to answer the complaint about “votes for under 16s”: they aren’t allowed to drink or smoke on their own volition, like full adults, so why allow the vote? To resolve that, the government is going to patronise the over 18s still further.

    They were put in office (grudgingly), by us (ie, they work for us), to deal with the government’s overblown expenditure, the deficit, and the debt. (How’s that going?) Instead we get constant legislation that is indeed along the lines of Labour during the Blair/Brown years, and laughable strategic policy on defence and the EU (“we’ll claim to get a better deal and then ask whether you want the ‘better’ deal or the existing worse one, as if you were all completely thick”).

  9. “they aren’t allowed to drink or smoke on their own volition”

    Or, as I discovered recently, buy pocket knives.

  10. Paul, no – a larger bottle isn’t containing “two or more alcoholic products.” But, I’ve often noticed, champagne is more expensive in magnums than for 2 bottles.

    Scarity effects? Or do they get more wastage bottling in magnums? I know some afficionados claim it tastes better but that’s a level of refinement beyond my experience.

  11. CHF,

    They were put in office (grudgingly), by us (ie, they work for us), to deal with the government’s overblown expenditure, the deficit, and the debt.

    Because in reality, Cam/Osborne have no code. You have no idea what they stand for, but that was obvious in opposition when they only started criticising Labour’s spending after everyone realised that Brown’s perpetual motion machine didn’t work.

    I’m bloody tempted to vote Labour. Not because I want Labour in, but because I want the Conservative’s earth scorched, for everyone associated with Cameron to hit the back benches and for someone to come to the front bench saying “you know, the ‘nasty party’ actually won elections”.

  12. “We’re back to hang the lot of them I suppose.”

    Back to? Why, where were we before? I think I missed a meeting.

  13. I also (Interested, #7) buy my wine 300 bottles at a time.

    But I buy mine in France. Not a penny to the UK Treasury, saves almost £3 per bottle and a good lunch as well.

  14. Personally, I have not seen many shambling alcoholics or vulnerable young persons with identity cards buying cases of claret recently, not even half cases. So it is another silly puritan idea. If they want to target 12 /24packs of lager cans, they should do so.

    In Scotland, it only applies to alcohol sold on the premises. In England, that would invite Lord Snooty v the Plebs arguments, which are a bit sensitive for the coalition just now. If your wine merchant delivers, you can get a discount, but not if you are an ordinary “hard-working/striving family” that shops at the supermarket and needs to save money. (Of course, in Puritan World, hardworking families are assumed to be teetotal).

    If, by some cunning drafting, only supermarkets are affected and they cannot appeal to the European Court, then at least we can look forward to a return of the 1.5 litre bottles that were a feature of my youth but now seem only to be used for high-priced wines.

    If it were to apply to all purchases, it would kill Wine Clubs and the likes of Majestic. If it applies only “on the premises”, most of us would switch to buying supermarket wine online for home delivery, helping to pump out some more CO2.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    outsider – “If it applies only “on the premises”, most of us would switch to buying supermarket wine online for home delivery, helping to pump out some more CO2.”

    Time for an Amazon for Wine? I w0uld be surprised if there wasn’t one already, but this could be an idea whose time has come. Wine is one area where the Amazon approach would work nice. Lots of choice, access to obscure labels, customer reviews. Anyone know a decent bottle shop/wine merchant who does this already? Or best of all, one based in Gibralter or Jersey?

  16. SMFS,

    Time for an Amazon for Wine? I w0uld be surprised if there wasn’t one already, but this could be an idea whose time has come. Wine is one area where the Amazon approach would work nice. Lots of choice, access to obscure labels, customer reviews. Anyone know a decent bottle shop/wine merchant who does this already? Or best of all, one based in Gibralter or Jersey?

    Majestic Wine is pretty much there, although it depends on what you mean by obscure. They’ve got wines from Lebanon and Hungary, although they don’t have say, wines from the Charente or the Vendee (probably because they’re rubbish).

  17. “In England, that would invite Lord Snooty v the Plebs arguments”

    Sort of what its is.

    “Can we lay to rest any idea that these people are conservatives?”

    Lets face it, they’ve always been a mixed bag, you get the libertarianish types who are usually working class, a few demented Christians and the home nation types. Just so happens the latter are currently running it.

  18. Majestic doesn’t give a price break for buying a mixed case, it just declines to sell fewer than six bottles at a time. So it would be unaffected. Waitrose, on the other hand, has a standing offer of 5% off if you buy at least six (does no one at the Telegraph buy wine at Waitrose?) which would have to go. And that would save us all from drunkenness, unless it didn’t.

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