And I\’m shouting \”Jump, jump you bastard, jump!\”November 22, 2012 Tim WorstallEuropean Union19 CommentsBritain is standing on a ledge, while Europe screams, \’Don\’t do it!\’ previousA carbon tax on oil exports? What stupidity is this?nextI may have found a new person to beat on 19 thoughts on “And I\’m shouting \”Jump, jump you bastard, jump!\”” So Much For Subtlety November 22, 2012 at 9:41 am France’s credit rating has just been downgraded (Societie General? Months or weeks?) and the rest of Catholic Europe would have to improve to aspire to junk bond status. Yet Timothy Garton Ash thinks Britain is about to go over the edge? Yeah. I have a bridge to sell him. Britain has always done well by keeping out of Europe. Best of all by fighting France in alliance with Germany. Here’s hoping we can stick to one and the chance for the other will come soon. KJ November 22, 2012 at 10:35 am Reminded me of this, c/o Derek & Clive..”Jump, you fucker, jump… jump into this here blanket what we are holdin’ and you will be alright.. so he jumped, hit the deck.. broke his fuckin’ neck….. there was no blanket” Shinsei67 November 22, 2012 at 11:18 am I was pleasantly surprised my TGA’s article. I don’t think I have ever heard him talk about Germany being a “bad European” before, only the UK. And the idea of a dual core Europe, with Britain leading in foreign and security affairs whilst Germany & France patch together a fiscal pact (excluding the UK) seems eminently sensible. Steve November 22, 2012 at 11:32 am Shinsei67 – never gonna happen though. We need out. Dave November 22, 2012 at 12:02 pm I can’t support the UK leaving the EU over the infinitely preferable option of France being kicked-out. Mr Ecks November 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm The sooner out the better although just out is not enough. The EU must be totally destroyed and all the scum who comprise it must be punished. Financial ruin for each apparatchik at minimum. Same with scum of the UN while we’re at it. Start with a retroactive name change to UTAM–united thieves and murderers–that has a much better ring to it. MakajazMonkee November 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm hahaha Andrew Zalotocky November 22, 2012 at 12:30 pm Britain is not standing on a ledge. It’s standing in the doorway of a burning building, arguing with itself about whether it’s safe to go outside. Jeff Wood November 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm Andrew, that is perhaps the best analogy it has been my pleasure to read. Many thanks. Tim Almond November 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm Mr Ecks, I don’t want the politicians calling a referendum yet. 56% of people want to leave the EU, but the politicians might be able to lie enough to reduce that. And then we’ll be stuck with it for a generation I want them to keep desperately defending it until such time that it seems not just to be an opposing view, but one that is laughable to hold. And considering that the only political party whose voters support staying in over going out are the LDs, we’re not too far away from that. BenSix November 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm You? bloke in spain November 22, 2012 at 1:25 pm “If there were more political imagination on both sides of the Channel…” About sums up the situation really. Sod reality, what Europe need’s is much more fantasy. Wonder if they’re considering psychedelic drugs as a last resort…… JamesV November 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm Actually rather a lot of Europe is shouting “jump, if you don’t want the package deal let the rest of us get on with it”. The argument has some merit. But frankly at, what, 1% of European GDP it’s a bargain-basement level of government. I don’t buy the argument that outside the EU Britain would be some kind of deregulated paradise free of government meddling and with no wasteful government spending and no corruption. Nor even that life would be that much different. Indeed the fact that the UK operates a common law legal system would tie up parliament for years in repealing laws (and in most cases replacing them with similar laws), and the courts for years in arguing the merits of precedent arising from the consideration of old laws. I don’t buy the sovereignty argument either, at least not entirely. There’s no more rational basis for having sovereignty on a national level rather than an international one, and citizens (who should be the ultimate level of sovereignty anyway) have barely more influence on Westminster than on Brussels. Those international obligations entered into by supposedly sovereign parliaments always represent a restriction on national sovereignty anyway, and we don’t get a referendum on every treaty outside the EU either. Did we vote on the nefarious extradition treaty with the USA, for example? John Q November 22, 2012 at 1:52 pm Is Belarus part of the “Europe” screaming jump? Dave November 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm “Britain is not standing on a ledge. It’s standing in the doorway of a burning building, arguing with itself about whether it’s safe to go outside.” Was the ‘one person arguing with themself’ image intentional? Somehow I feel sure the words ‘buggrit, millennium hand and shrimp’ are involved somewhere. Come to think of it, Foul Ole Ron serves as a perfect analogy for the UK’s tactics within the EU. Edward Lud November 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm JamesV, the doctrine of implied repeal would inherently and automatically take care of your concerns about parliamentary time being consumed for years to come by the need to reverse EU legislation. Mr Ecks November 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm Tim Almond:Agreed–I’m not naive about the fact that if we get a referendum then every lying sack of shit in the world will be rolled out to argue for in. As soon as possible refers to getting out–not getting a vote which is only a chance for freedom. And I also agree with James V –no point in ditching the eurotrash to be under the thumb of PC scum over here who will still co-operate with the EU even if not in it. Andrew Pearson November 22, 2012 at 8:11 pm @ Edward Lud (16), Damn. I was thinking that if they were kept busy repealing EU laws then they’d be too busy to create new ones. Frances Coppola November 23, 2012 at 10:40 am Shinsei, Hell will freeze over before Germany and France agree on a fiscal pact. They may produce a piece of paper on which they appear to agree, but what they mean by the words on that paper will be very, very different. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.