Muslims in prison

One of those numbers to be very careful about:

One in five young men in jail in England and Wales is Muslim, according to a watchdog report published today.

Cue outrage except:

The report provided no information to explain the rapid increase in the proportion of teenagers saying they were Muslims.However, it could reflect the general demographic of the wider Asian community in England and Wales which is a youthful community with a large proportion of youngsters in the peak offending age range.

It could also reflect a trend towards people converting to Islam while in jail or saying they are Muslim to belong to the most influential “group”within an institution.

It could even be used to support the idea that young Muslims are being targetted to be jailed.

But what it doesn\’t prove is that young Muslims are committing more crimes than others….not given that possibility of claimed conversion once nabbed it doesn\’t.

33 thoughts on “Muslims in prison”

  1. ….what it doesn’t prove is that young Muslims are committing more crimes than others…..

    True but it doesn’t rule it out either.

    More research necessary, as they say.

  2. Or it could be because Muslims are a protected species and receive “favourable” treatment that more young felons are claiming to be Muslim.

  3. May indicate a similar process to the rise of Christianity in Rome, which in the early days was based on recruitment of slaves, criminals, vagabonds and other lumpenproletariat. The mobs of monks that Bishops could summon up as enforcers were largely young men of rude origins and viscious temperament.

    Christianity, as history records, ultimately did quite well for itself.

  4. I have never been to prison however I know people who have.
    Sadly there is quite a lot of conversion to Islam in prison. The most famous example being the shoe bomber.
    “But what it doesn’t prove is that young Muslims are committing more crimes than others”
    True. We need to look at crime levels in similar places with a different number of Muslims.

    Personally I don’t care if Muslims cause more crime or not. I know that in countries with less Muslims there is more freedom and I don’t want even less freedom than I have now. 14th Feb 1989 was a very sad day for the UK.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    Saw an article on the Dutch amateur linesman who was beaten to death by three Moroccan^H^H^H I mean Dutch youths. It claimed 40% of Moroccan origin youths have a criminal record.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if British prisons were filling with Muslim young offenders. But it does seem to be a conversion thing. The number of BME youth in YOI has risen slightly – from 39% to 42% but the number of Muslims has risen from 16% to 25%. There is no reason why Jamaican origin youths should have stopped offending, so it is likely that more are becoming Muslims for the perks.

    Which is just peachy.

  6. There’s a lot of criminality in some Muslim demographics. However, it’s also worth bearing in mind that you get different, better food in prison if you claim to be Muslim.

  7. “Saw an article on the Dutch amateur linesman who was beaten to death …”

    Aha! I’d been waiting for someone to breach the YONA* rule..!

    * Youths Of No Appearance

  8. You can also meet your mates in the prison mosque on Fridays, talk a bit of business and pass around the prison mobile phone, all unmolested by the ladies and gentlemen from G4S. Not toention the fact that conversion can be helpful in avoiding being duffed up.

  9. Although Islam has possibly imposed costs on Europe in the form of an excessive number of Muslim criminals, we should nevertheless be grateful for amazing cultural benefits we derive from Islam: e.g. killing the cartoonists and authors one doesn’t like (Hitler did that didn’t he?), stoning adulterers, apostate murder, killing animals in a way that was illegal in Britain twenty years ago (Halal), homopbobia, treating women like dirt. The list is just endless.

  10. The Muslims or indeed any of the Lefts favoured client groups are not the issue. Look at the monster not the tenticles. Defeat the white, leftist trash who lie like rot at the heart of Western society and all the other issues will fall away.

  11. Islam teaches a segregation between the faithful and the infidel. (e.g. Debts to infidels are unenforceable.) Some verses of the Koran encourage being as nasty as you can to Jews and Christians.

    Some dim Muslims probably take this seriously. Then they find that the police and the courts don’t see things quite the way they do.

  12. @David:

    “14th Feb 1989 was a very sad day for the UK.”

    Aye lad, too true…

    “On 14th Feb 1989, Robin Givens is granted a divorce from Mike Tyson in the Dominican Republic”

  13. The ‘atmosphere’ around here when matters of this kind are raised.. immigrants, mulslims, etc… is pretty fucking unpleasant. Which I find odd, as the host never sets that kind of tone.

    Just an observation, like.

    Anyway.. let’s see some data on whether young muslim men are more likely to commit crime than other groups of comparable socioeconomic status. Then let’s see if there is a corolation between faith and criminality.

    Muslims have been coming to the UK for many years, and this issue here would seem to be a recent thing. So what’s changed?

  14. Moroccan^H^H^H

    ^W, surely.

    The ‘atmosphere’ around here when matters of this kind are raised.. immigrants, mulslims, etc… is pretty fucking unpleasant. Which I find odd, as the host never sets that kind of tone.

    Yes; for a second I thought I’d accidentally popped to an EDL or BNP site.

    Anyway.. let’s see some data on whether young muslim men are more likely to commit crime than other groups of comparable socioeconomic status. Then let’s see if there is a corolation between faith and criminality.

    Might be a correlation between prison, certain crimes and poverty, and poverty and being Muslim. There might also be a correlation between not going to prison, certain crimes and wealth, and wealth and not being a Muslim.

  15. Aha! I’d been waiting for someone to breach the YONA* rule..!

    * Youths Of No Appearance

    Where did race come into this? We’re talking about Muslims, and as we all decided a few threads ago, Muslim isn’t a racial category.

  16. A message to all u posters who are insulting the religon Islam just because of the majority in prison are muslims. This country is full of oppression i myself have been in prison many times for crimes i have not committed. The system in this country works un fairly the minute a muslim male or female enters the court room either by your first name or appearance the judges have decided our fate. But you people think locking up muslims is a good thing but think about it it is us born muslims who become captives and go inside to help your own people who knew no better and the muslim brotherhood join to help them seek the right path the path of peace and success. Majority of the suicudes is your own people. Muslims stand strong and can hack anything coming there way as we strongly belive it is a test for us. A real beliver is the one who loves to suffer for the sake of Allah (the only one) The greatest.

    And a message to bloke in france the Qur’aan does not teach us violence it does not teach us to be nasty to the jews or christian or any religon so please do not give faulse information to people on this post maybe if you opned are glorious book you would know we are taught to love everyone and be kind with everyone no matter what religon.

  17. Oh Asad, what a load of claptrap. I refer both to your post and your Koran. The best that can be said about Islam is that it’s no more (or less) full of shit than any other cult. As for your conspiracy theories, they have the unfortunate effect of making SMFS and co look comparatively sane.

  18. So Much for Subtlety

    ukliberty – “for a second I thought I’d accidentally popped to an EDL or BNP site.”

    Interesting. Although I note this appears to be an aesthetic objection not a factual one.

    “Might be a correlation between prison, certain crimes and poverty, and poverty and being Muslim. There might also be a correlation between not going to prison, certain crimes and wealth, and wealth and not being a Muslim.”

    There might. But the word you’re looking for is epicycles. At some point, we just decide the Earth goes around the Sun. Apply Occam’s Razor.

  19. Mr mathew you are entitiled to your opinions. And again i will say Islam is not a violent religon neither does it teach us violence.

    Hope you are guided my freind

  20. You hate islam and muslims because of the certain individuals that have made this beatifull religon look bad and extremist and we’ve been labelled as terrorists. Please read below

    In the Holy Qur’an, God begins to deal with the issue of terrorism by teaching Muslims never to become terrorists in the first place. Two of the very first verses of our Holy Book say: ‘Al-Fitnatu ashad-du minal qatl’ – meaning that in the sight of Allah, ‘persecution, or making people constantly fear for their lives, is much worse than killing’. And also: ‘Lâ ikrâha fid-dîn’ – ‘There shall be no compulsion in religion’, that is to say, that no one has the right to force others into complying with their demands or compelling others to follow their line of thinking.

  21. A beautifull Message from our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

    He also declared: ‘By Him in Whose Hands is my life, you will not enter Paradise unless you believe, and you will not truly believe unless you love one another. Shall I tell you something whereby you will love one another? Multiply the greeting of peace among yourselves.’

  22. Asad

    If you’re an example of the intellectual level of the Muslims in prison then I’m singularly unimpressed. I know I shouldn’t get involved in these pointless discussions but if as you say Islam is not a violent religion how is it that so many Muslims seem intent on acting as though it is ? Don’t you think there might be a bit of a problem with persuading the rest of us when you can’t even seem to persuade a large number of your co-religionists ?

  23. Thornavis i agree with what you have to say, There are muslims who have made our beatifull and peacefull religon look as if its violent, But if you was to open to Qur’aan you would find not anywhere does it teach us violence nor does it teach us to be nasty to christians and jews and other posters have said. Alot of individuals have made us look verry bad violent but all i can say it the Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h taught us love, humbleness, respect and did not teach us t be violent or have hatred for anyone

  24. Every religon has extremism in it it is not just Islam, the media reports are rubbish when they say mojority of the prisoners in prisons are muslims i have been to many prisons and trust me mate the majority are not muslims at all. The media lies and just talks alot of rubbish all u posters should know that by now

  25. Asad

    I don’t know how you can deny that the Quran contains passages that are hostile to unbelievers but that’s less important here than the flaw in your reasoning, a religion is not a book, even one as revered as the Quran. If a sizeable number of a religion’s adherents act violently in the name of that religion then that is as much a part of its character as your peaceful interpretation. That’s without even getting into the area of coercion and attempts to silence free expression through use of the law, neither of which are overtly violent but still involve the use of force.
    Where do the media say that the majority of prisoners are Muslims ? I’ve never seen that suggestion from any serious source.

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