Now this is absolutely fascinating. And it\’s a hostage to fortune from Our Retired Accountant from Wandsworth. Here\’s his statement:
Richard Murphy ?@RichardJMurphy
If the General Anti-Tax Avoidance Principle Bill I have written which is now before parliament was passed tax avoidance would be illegal.
So, as we often do, let us take his argument as being true and see where that leads us.
If tax avoidance would be illegal in a world with a GATAP in it, then things which are legal in a world with a GATAP in it cannot be tax avoidance.
So, let us have a little potter through some recent accusations of tax avoidance and see whether they would still be legal after a GATAP came into existence.
Let us say, Starbucks. Paying royalties for the name and brand to a Dutch company. Hmm. From the bill:
Arrangements are not tax arrangements if—
(a) the arrangement was specifically permitted by legislation or regulation
relating to any of the taxes referred to in section 1(3) or is clearly
consistent with principles on which the taxes referred to in section 1(3)
are based whether express or implied, or
So if we\’ve specifically got legislation that allows the practice then it\’s not a tax arrangement that gets disallowed under the GATAP.
Everyone agree so far?
Excellent. So, we\’ve actually an EU law which states that taxing royalties from one company in one EU state to another company in another EU state is illegal. No, really, we do, we\’ve a law that insists that we are not allowed to tax such arrangements. So, given that we have such a law it\’s not exactly a great leap to move onto the idea that such royalty payments are in fact allowed: we\’ve legislation which says so. Great, so, Starbuck\’s royalties are not, by Ritchie\’s own bill, tax avoidance.
Starbucks pays a 20% margin (no, not 20% of gross margin, just a 20% margin) to the Swiss coffee buying company. This is clearly and obviously legal. Paying no margin at all would mean that Swiss company is doing the work for nothing. And yes, we do indeed have legislation allowing companies to charge a margin for their work.
Thus Starbucks seems to be carrying out no tax avoidance at all: by Ritchie\’s own standards.
Boots: The claim there has been that they\’re paying all that interest to Switzerland and that this is tax avoidance. Unfortunately for the Murphmeister this is covered under the same EU law as the royalties. It\’s actually illegal for us to tax such interest payments. Again, such a provision obviously means that the ability to make such payments is enshrined in legislation. This is therefore not tax avoidance.
Vodafone: we\’ve been through this too many times already. But EU law clearly allows a UK corporation to have a Luxembourg subsidiary. And we\’ve even case law (Cadbury\’s) which shows that this is indeed legal. So again, it\’s not tax avoidance.
Facebook, Google, Microsoft, selling from Ireland. We\’ve EU legislation that insists that any corporation can sell right across the EU from any one EU country and pay corporation tax in that one single country of incorporation. We\’ve legislation which says this: thus obviously, by the Murph\’s own standards, this is not tax avoidance.
Amazon selling from Luxembourg: we\’ve a double taxation treaty stating that the use (or possession) of a warehousing or logistics chain does not lead to a permanent establishment and thus to liability for corporation tax. Again, by the very test that\’s being set, this is not tax avoidance.
VAT at Luxembourg rates: EU law. VAT on services (and electronic goods are defined as services) will be paid at the rate of the country of supply, not destination. This is the law as it is written: this is not tax avoidance.
How about the Greens? We do not charge UK income tax on dividends paid to people who are not citizens and not resident in the UK. Lady Green is neither: she does not pay tax on her dividends. This is the law. Even if you want to claim that her ownership of the company is tax dodging: the law states that transfers between man and wife are tax free. This simply is not tax avoidance: the law specifically states that they may do these things.
Have I missed any cases? I don\’t think so.
So to recap. We\’ve got Richard Murphy insisting that his bill will make tax avoidance illegal. Yet all of the examples he\’s been giving us of tax avoidance will remain legal. Which leaves us with two possible conclusions.
1) They\’re none of them tax avoidance.
2) It\’s a crap bill.
Do note that this is not an either or choice. Both can be true at the same time.
The shitty narrative is gaining traction here in Spain. Tax by mob rule soon. Does nobody in these companies have the b!!ls to stand up for their law-abiding behaviour?
You forget that Murphy’s law overrules any legislation that may contradict it, from the laws of gravity and thermodynamics downwards.
Once he assumes supreme power everyone will be required to pay the tax that he says we owe, regardless of whether we have earned any income or made any profits.
Unrelated but interesting piece in the FT..
JPMorgan is nearing a settlement with the UK government in which the US bank and its employees could pay close to £500m in back taxes that were avoided through the use of an offshore trust for bonus payments.
The Wall Street bank is in the final phase of winding up the Jersey-based arrangement and has asked more than 2,000 current and former employees to contribute to the settlement. Individuals who choose not to participate voluntarily could face a more expensive tax bill once their trust assets are liquidated.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3cb6aa3c-4098-11e2-8f90-00144feabdc0.html
There’s a third option – Murphy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
“The shitty narrative is gaining traction here in Spain. Tax by mob rule soon.”
Yes, it’s even got to NZ with a Labour MP complaining that Facebook didn’t pay very much company tax there despite having 2 million ‘users’.
The thing no one seems to notice is all these countries are going to end up chasing the same money thinking it’s the magic money tree.
I think that NZ should introduce a corporation supertax of 90% on all the money NZ Facebook users pay to Facebook Inc.
Well, actually, I don’t but it would be a luvverly meme to get out there!
“I think that NZ should introduce a corporation supertax of 90% on all the money NZ Facebook users pay to Facebook Inc.”
Well, given that by TJN measures NZ is a tax haven, it rather goes against type!
By TJN measures isn’t everywhere a tax haven (except the US with their “all your earnings is the IRS’s” attitude and even they don’t have a high enough rate)?
Look lets get one thing straight:
Murphy’s GANTIP is probably the most puerile draft legislation I have ever seen. Poor conceived, poorly researched and even more poorly written.
Just a joke.
However, as a tax adviser I pray it comes into law as the taxpayers will have a field day – due to such poor drafting, it actually will give taxpayers greater scope for avoidance than is currently available in common law.
“But EU law clearly allows a UK corporation to have a Luxembourg subsidiary. And we’ve even case law (Cadbury’s) which shows that this is indeed legal. So again, it’s not tax avoidance.”
It’s rather more than that. What Cadbury-Schweppes proved was that it’s illegal for one member state to ‘top up’ the tax paid by a subsidiary company based in another member state.
Vodafone 2 paid the tax due in Luxembourg, and HMRC (under the old CFC rules) tried to impose an additional tax charge on the head company in the UK – it was this that eventually settled, but since settlement, further guidance has shown beyond doubt that this form of taxation is not permitted against an EU Member State.