So UKIP is being attacked by \”British Influence\”

A spokesman for British Influence, which is campaigning against UKIP policies on Europe said: ’This sort of holocaust denial from a UKIP candidate is further evidence of the toxic mix of anti-semitism and cuckoo conspiracy theories that run rife in UKIP and she should be expelled from the party and not simply suspended.

’The fact is that UKIP has more than 1,700 candidates being fielded in next Thursday\’s local elections – almost as many as the Lib Dems – and one has to ask oneself how many more of them have skeletons in the cupboard.’

It\’s a fair point actually. UKIP tries damn hard to keep such people out but some will always get through.

So I go to see who British Influence are.

Lead piece today:

Written by Denis MacShane

Fuck me, isn\’t he in jail yet?

All a bit pots and kettles isn\’t it?

At least UKIP is trying to stop vile people from getting into politics. Rather than making them Ministers…..

28 thoughts on “So UKIP is being attacked by \”British Influence\””

  1. “UKIP tries damn hard to keep such people out but some will always get through.”

    I’m sure there’s a place for her in Respect or the Lib Dems…

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    At least UKIP is trying to stop vile people from getting into politics. Rather than making them Ministers…..

    More to the point, UKIP is made up of people outside the metropolitan elite who dominate our three Lib-Dem parties. As such someone of them are going to have some pretty unusual opinions. So what? I do not care if my barber thinks Mussolini was the best thing since the hairdryer. Nor do I care if the guy who runs my local Indian is in fact an Islamist nutter. Well, not much. Nor should I care all that much about my MP as long as he gets the job done.

    And needless to say, let us all notice the double standard. Bea Campbell took money from the East Germans on a regular basis. That sh!t Mandlestan and Peter Tatchell both took freebies from the East Germans and the Cubans. No one cares. The British Left is open in their admiration for Zygmunt Bauman who was not only a Political Officer in the Soviet Army, he worked for the Communist regime in Poland tracking down those Poles who objected to the Soviet colonisation of their homeland. No one cares.

    So until this daft bint starts voting for Jews to wear a yellow star, why should anyone care? Alan Clarke was a fairly good member and he probably did think Jews should wear a star.

  3. Many years ago my wife was invited to stand for the local council by the Conservatives. But, said she, I support the Social Democrats. We don’t care about that, was the reply, it’s only the National Front we try to keep out.

    I pointed out that however much a little bit of Labour tried to keep out Trotskyists, Labour had always welcomed Stalinists so, said I, full marks to the Tories.

  4. There seems to be a concerted smear campaign against Ukip. The establishment can no longer ignore them or laugh them off.

  5. If you are being attacked by people of the calibre of Denis MacShane, then you must be doing something right.

  6. Surreptitious Evil

    Frankly, if you are being attacked by proto-simians of the calibre of Arnald, you are clearly doing something right.

    Merely on the grounds that upsetting Arnald is clearly a social good. If not actually Pareto efficient.

  7. “and one has to ask oneself how many more of them have skeletons in the cupboard.”

    No skeletons in Mr MacShane’s cupboards as they’re too full of tax-payer funded lap-tops.

  8. MacShane has sadly not yet been convicted, but he has been suspended from the Labour Party and forced to resign as an MP. Not the first time he’s left a job in disgrace either – from wiki ” He was fired by the BBC after using a fake name to call the radio phone-in programme he worked on at the time. During the call, MacShane accused leading Conservative politician Reginald Maudling of being a crook, with the MP threatening to sue as a result”

  9. Bleedin’ Poles, coming over ‘ere and talking crap, trying to take Arnald’s job away. (And yes, I know Matyjaszek was born in Glasgow, so don’t bother.)

  10. My favourite example of the smear campaign against UKIP was when all the supporters of the LibLabCon Party on my facebook wall started sharing the same image, attacking UKIP for… abstaining on a fisheries vote.

  11. Pure ad hominem Tim?

    But yeah, it takes a bit of time to get background checks and accreditation procedures in place that work, the Lib Dems only started accrediting council candidates properly reasonably recently (I sat on a few panels and went through it myself). And we still get the occasional crazed fool through—problem is of course if you run a policy platform that’s anti immigration you’re going to attract in the racists to a greater extent and spotting them isn’t easy.

  12. Arnald (#5)

    ‘Because they say so much ill-thought out nonsense,, then laugh it off’

    This has to be either a particularly stellar example of parody or illustrative of a lack of self-awareness….

  13. “Merely on the grounds that upsetting Arnald is clearly a social good. ”
    The tragedy is, of course, when Arnald went looking for something to believe in, He walked into Murphy’s clutches. But, then, we’re all to busy talking about the finer points of economic libertarianism to bother about guys like Arnald.

  14. MatGB claims, “Problem is of course if you run a policy platform that’s anti immigration you’re going to attract in the racists to a greater extent and spotting them isn’t easy.”

    When it comes to former members of other parties it’s easy: anyone who voted to invade Iraq for no good reason (Labour or Tory MPs), and who is thus part responsible for the death of a million Muslims . . .they’re racists.

    In contrast, BNP members or former members aren’t racist: they opposed the Iraq war from day one.

  15. Surreptitious Evil

    But, then, we’re all to busy talking about the finer points of economic libertarianism to bother about guys like Arnald.

    Well, there is more joy in Heaven over the sinner repentant …

    But, it isn’t as if Arnald comes here to debate the topic from an alternative point of view (cf Luke). Except once, I believe?

    He merely comes here to post o/t ad-homs or irrelevant peans to the infinite(simal) wisdom of the LHTD. So as long as he remains an overt and active pillock, it is irrational to treat him as anything other than a target for ridicule. V_P has it, as far as needs to be done, at #13.

    If he ever came to what little remains of his dialectical materialism addled sense, then he might be worth constructively engaging with.

    Muslims are not a race they are a religion.

    Have you met the poster known as “Dave”? Missing from these parts for a week or so. He disagrees with you. They (Islamists) claim that any criticism of them is racist therefore racist, by definition, it must be. Exactly where he gets this definition from, we’re not entirely sure, but he claims that most of the world agrees with him.

    As long

  16. David’s point that Muslims are religion, not a race, is a very trite point.

    First, if you insult (i.e. speak the truth about) Muslims in the UK you can be done for racism / racist hate speech or whatever.

    Second, David is technically correct, so I hereby officially replace the word Muslim in by above comment with the phrase: Arabs and Kurds.

    Everyone happy now?

  17. Surreptitious Evil

    Those apostrophes continue to defeat me …

    In contrast, BNP members or former members aren’t racist: they opposed the Iraq war from day one.

    So, being misled by your government in to supporting a war against a vicious tyrant because you were lied to about his threat to other nations makes you a racist.

    But being a “repatriate* non-whites” thug (or supporter thereof) is not racist.

    Okay. That makes Dave’s definition of racist look entirely logical.

    It’s not just finance you’re a fuckwit about, is it?

    * To where? Many of them are born here. Of parents who were also born here. Unto which generation does the sin of being not-British descend? Hell, go back far enough (10 generations or so, Mrs S-E’s family were, spits, French. Thrown out, of course, for not being French enough.)

  18. vanny and blokey #s 13+14, and Worstall generally, single out Murphy as if the the ideas behind the motivations are new, and that people, like me, that you imagine are thoughtless, are suddenly ‘converted’.

    There is no-one worse than Worstall for blatant abuse of other people’s stuff. Yet the arguments he sometimes , actually mostly, uses are drawn from an extremist position, mainly US fantasists, or those that follow US (or Austrian) fantasies. Sometimes directly from the Cato or Heritage or similar heavily funded neo-Randian dalek-talk.

    I agree with personal libertarianism, which is why I why I stay herre, because Tim W is fairly amusing, but let’s face it, most of it is direct abuse of other people. The stuff on ASI is smug lunacy, the Forbes stuff is better, but uses discredited data time and time again. I’m surprised he hasn’t ripped the Rogoff/Reinhart debacle apart, but chooses to pendant about something Murphy may have mistyped.

    And you all go on about the “rule of law”, citing Murphy challenging its validity, yet in the same sentence Worstall will say “hang them all” when EU law, or any law is enacted, that results in an outcome you disagree with as hypocritical or mendacious. There have been no end of threads started here where Tim had got it basically and comically wrong, and some of the various regular posters explain his mistakes. Yet no vile abuse.

    The daily abuse dished out, and then repeated by you sheep, is entirely the reason that a a bloke would warrant some mediatory discretion over their domain.

    “Van_Patten” is a polite poster, I basically accept her/his critiques. “bloke in Spain” is basically a diary of third hand pub talk. “Suppurating Pustule” sounds basically too old to comprehend Worstall’s Phallusy

    And So Much Fuckwittering Spazcock may as well be a figment of my imagination, something Charlie Brooker would invent, or more probably Christopher Morris.

    At least if I’m flippimg burgers I am not non-slavic, pro-abotionist baby-factory benefit scrounger.

    Whilkst most of yu support tax abusing billionaires. Cos it’s the law, yeah?

    Ukip don’t want to change the laws, yeah?

  19. There are at least 3 aspects to the “rule of law” thing.

    1) It’s about Hypocrisy. Cameron, Miliband et-all say “X is immoral, something must be done”/”we will do something” etc etc, when the reality is the only way of altering the situation involves EU competencies, from which they won’t withdraw, and over which they have virtually no influence.

    2) It’s that Murphy and co want a humptey dumpty law so that “tax avoidance means what R Murphy wants it to mean”. This is contrary to the important principle that laws should be clear and understandable. Courts should be used argue the question “has x done y?”, not “x has done y – is y a crime?”

    3) I don’t think Timmy is entirely serious about hanging them all – he would probably settle for arranging for them to join the long-term unemployed. Unfortunately, Murphy appears not to have a sense of humor…

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Surreptitious Evil – “To where? Many of them are born here. Of parents who were also born here. Unto which generation does the sin of being not-British descend? Hell, go back far enough (10 generations or so, Mrs S-E-s family were, spits, French. Thrown out, of course, for not being French enough.)”

    Who knows? Other people have been thrown out in other circumstances. The Egyptians expelled the Jews and the Greeks en masse, and they had been there since Alexander the Great at least. Pakistan has been working hard to expel the last of their Hindus and they have been there since history began. Algeria expelled not only its French settlers – who had been there vastly longer than most non-Whites have been in the UK – they also expelled their Jews who had been there since Roman times.

    The point being not that they did this, but that they did this with the full support of the Left. Algeria in particular. So I have a simple rule – no British community that objects to the on-going existence of Israel, or contains large numbers of people who want Israel to disappear, has a right to object to the BNP demanding non-Whites are repatriated.

  21. Surreptitious Evil

    Oh, was that (coughs)

    o/t ad-homs

    from Arnald. Yes, I think that was.

    At least the berk got ‘pendant’ right.

  22. Dear “fuckwit” Surreptitious Evil,
    If you can use abusive language, then presumably I can as well.

    Your suggestion that those who supported the Iraq war were misled and are thus not racists is a joke. If you were misled by Tony Blair, then you’re thick. It was plain as a pikestaff to me and anyone with half a brain that he was lying.
    He is commonly referred to as B.Liar. Didn’t you know?

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