Does @RichardJMurphy pay Irish taxes?

I think we should be told. For it is indeed Richard Murphy who has been insisting that it would be moral to move to a passport based taxation system, as with the US. You don\’t get out of paying the amount due to the place which issues your passport just by moving country. You actually would have to give up your passport and that second nationality to do so.

This is his argument don\’t forget.

I have an Irish passport.

Irish income tax, at Murphy\’s income level, is higher than UK income tax. So can we therefore suppose that Murphy pays the additional amount to Ireland?

After all, we\’re not talking about what is legal or illegal here are we, but about what is moral and immoral.

17 thoughts on “Does @RichardJMurphy pay Irish taxes?”

  1. yes, but the LHTD shouldn’t pay tax because he works in the UK and his wife participates in the company, really, and BECAUSE SHUT UP THAT’S WHY

  2. I asked him this ages ago – and also why he allowed his books to be sold on Amazon. He didn’t reply.

  3. Surreptitious Evil

    This neo-liberal sophistry of demanding that campaigners for good live by their declared principles rather than partaking of the petty legalism that they denounce is one of the reasons why it is impossible to have a fair debate with these climate-denying racist bankster-supporting fair-tax-evading baby-eating Tories.

    Hence why they are not allowed to comment on the LHTD’s site.

    Do you think that Dr Murphy’s role in the company is prescribing him increasingly high doses of blood pressure medication as the ungrateful denizens of the bloggosphere pendantically insist on not treating each of his utterances as utterly devoid of connection to anything he has said previously?

  4. If he’s so enamoured of the US tax-abortion, let’s hope that he pays Irish tax based on his UK gross earnings + UK deductibles such as pension contributions, and any employer’s pension contributions added on top as taxable. Can’t expect the Irish to cope with over 100 different systems, so basically nothing deductible in foreign is deductible in Ireland.

    Then, since he operates a “foreign corporation”, he should be making full disclosure returns for the corporation, irresepective of tax owed.

    And since some of his income is from self-employment, he should be paying the equivalent of Irish NI contributions, both employee’s and employer’s based on that.

    And, of course, he should be making full disclosure of all accounts over which he has single or dual signatory authority. Even if it’s his wife’s money, but he can spend money in the account. Big penalties for making little mistakes here.

    And his occupational pension must be declared as a Passive Foreign Investment company, and all increases in its value are potentially subject to capital gains tax or are treated as unearned income. As is the sale of his primary residence.

    And then, when he stops working and draws his pension, it is treated as unearned income.

    Plus, if the pound rises in value against the Euro, he’ll be taxed on capital gains on pound-denominated assests, even if the asset has depreciated (as long as the depreciation is less than the change in exchange rate).

    The US system is mind-garglingly cruel and insane (which is why all the other countries that did it except Eritrea stopped in the last 30 years), and it has only lasted so long since they only really started trying to enforce it on overseas citizens starting about 2009-2010.

    My test on such things is “What if everyone did it?”. Which would lead to triple taxation of my dual-national kids who live in a 3rd country. Realistically, ok, the country of residence gets 1st bite. But who gets 2nd? Such a system would inevitably end up with people in that situation paying insane amounts of tax.

  5. Surreptitious Evil

    Such a system would inevitably end up with people in that situation paying insane amounts of tax.

    You say ‘bug’. LHTD says ‘feature’.

  6. “I think we, as a broad family, have added value to this country.”

    Yep, we definitely needed more accountants for luvvies and local radio DJs.

  7. Noel Scoper (#7)

    Absolutely right – The idea that this charlatan has added value is a dubious one, and it’s worth examining his latest venture: ‘Financing the Social State’, which proposes every household be granted a minimum income.

    Neither he nor his co-author were especially forthcoming over whether such largesse would be extended to the millions of people over here, whether from the EU or not? The sole answer I got was: ‘We’d ensure EU workers were entitled to the same benefits if there was reciprocal provision from those’

    A response so laughably inadequate that it’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.

    Of course, there is a side issue to this. Murphy is effectively a paid shrill of the TUC. They know 2015 is critical. If Miliband is allowed in, then 400,000 people are year will be allowed in, with voter fraud probably bolstering that by another 10% – the result will be a permanent Left wing hegemony and the platform for the construction of the Courageous State(including the repeal of the 1980s employment legislation and the return of the Closed shop, combined with capital controls so that you will effectively be unable to move your money out of the country) That’s what he’s angling for….

  8. My test on such things is “What if everyone did it?”.

    I’ve thought about this: it would become a shit-fight with countries all trying to get the 1st (and biggest) bite. Of course, it wouldn’t just be the nice cuddly countries we’d be arguing with, it would be places like Russia, Iran, Nigeria, and India. It wouldn’t surprise me either if a load of countries decided if they are allowed to tax their overseas citizens, then this will be a nice little earner – and *they* get to decide who is a citizen or not. Born in Greece and emigrated to the US when you were 1-yo, and haven’t held a Greek passport since? Tough shit, here’s your tax bill. This is how Greece sees national service obligations working (you were born there, you’re expected to serve, period), it wouldn’t be difficult to extend this to taxation once it is citizenship being taxed.

    So we could expect the diasporas (no idea what the plural is) in the UK to receive a hefty tax bill from countries they left decades ago, and the British government getting a letter Nigeria asking them, in the spirit of international tax cooperation, to assist in collecting these unpaid dues. Good luck with that.

  9. Try again:
    ‘A democratic government with a mandate to deliver this tax did so

    Youre saying that democracy should not prevail?’


  10. And, joy of joys:

    ‘But I have suggested a 4 year period of remittance based tax for immigrants as an alternative’

    I can just see it now: Welcome to the UK. On top of our insanely high taxation, you’re expected to pay taxes back to your home country for the first 4 years. Enjoy living under one of our many delightful Victorian railway bridges, since you’ll not be able to afford a roof over your head.

    He’s finally done it – he’s resolved mass immigration in one move! Hooray for Ritchie honorary UKIPper!

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