Err, yes love

At the sexually corrupt BBC, when your age exceeds your bra size you’re finished: SELINA SCOTT

But it’s really most uncool of you to complain about this given that when hired the decision is about whether your bra size is greater than your age.

Another way of making the same point. If one gets hired for being toothsome totty then one cannot complain at being fired for being totty no longer toothsome.

19 thoughts on “Err, yes love”

  1. So are Judi Dench and Helen Mirren 😉

    I doubt bald old man Bruce Willis would have been chosen for the first Die Hard. Most of the 80s action stars now seem to be making “hey, look how old we are, one last mission” type movies, like Red, the Expendables and Die Hard With A Young Sidekick.

  2. Bruce Willis was pretty receding when he did the first die hard to be fair!

    It never ceases to amaze me though that people complain about human nature.

    Women are judged on their fertility, which declines with age.

    Men are judged on their physical strength power which also declines, just more slowly.

    Both are judged on their potential as a mate – unfortunately women have a shorter window.

  3. “It never ceases to amaze me though that people complain about human nature.”

    The facts of life are conservative – or, at any rate, not leftist.

  4. Well, they complain about it because reality is rather unfair in many respects. Evolution doesn’t care if we’re happy, it just maximises reproductive success as best it can. Humans are the one species capable of appreciating the cruelty of nature. This is why we argue so much about whether or how to overcome nature’s impositions.

    For instance, we get cancer because the cost of better DNA repair machinery would not have improved our reproductive capacity. That’s rather shitty. So, we complain about nature, which often spurs us on to find ways to improve upon it.

    “Oh no, the tribe next door just raided our village, killed the men, raped the women and stole our food and shit”.

    “Yeah, human nature, lol”.

  5. I recall an episode from the early days of breakfast TV when Selina was reading the news and the weatherman on duty was Francis Wilson. As it was a fine summer morning, the weather report was being broadcast from the roof of the building. Immediately after Wilson had finished, Selina appeared on the roof and said “Isn’t it lovely up here: I’d like to read the news from here sometimes.” Wilson replied “You wouldn’t like it up here, Selina; there’s no autocue.”

  6. So Much for Subtlety

    JuliaM – “Bruce Willis and Liam Neeson are still, extraordinarily enough, action film stars, though…”

    LN I cannot explain, but Bruce Willis is still sexy to a large number of women. Well, large-ish. Enough. Like Sean Connery. As the stupid internet comment goes, men age like wine, women age like milk.

    Ian B – “So are Judi Dench and Helen Mirren ;)”

    Yeah but they are not sexy. At least not to the under-55 market. They get to play grandmothers.

    “Most of the 80s action stars now seem to be making “hey, look how old we are, one last mission” type movies, like Red, the Expendables and Die Hard With A Young Sidekick.”

    Presumably because all the younger males are too metrosexual to do genuine action film. I mean, Ryan Gosling? Really?

    There is nothing odd about what Ms Scott is demanding. It is what the Airline hostesses demanded and got after all. They were all hired because they were young and pretty. Then their Union made that a crime. So they all got jobs for life and no younger dollies were hired for decades.

  7. “Presumably because all the younger males are too metrosexual to do genuine action film.”

    I’m not sure if Matt fucking Damon playing Jason Bourne is a counter-example or not.

    Jason Statham does reasonable action films, though. Mostly. And who could leave out Vin Diesel – a proper old-fashioned action hero as wooden as Nelson’s navy.

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Dave – “I’m not sure if Matt fucking Damon playing Jason Bourne is a counter-example or not.”

    Nor am I. The Bourne films are a mystery to me although I have not seen any.

    “Jason Statham does reasonable action films, though. Mostly.”

    A man who has based his entire career on not being even remotely metrosexual. And hasn’t he been rewarded for it! Years dating Kelly Brook and now Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. Damon should find some f**king balls and stop trying to be Alan Alda and see how it works for him. But are the Americans ready for a bit of British Rough in a mainstream film? At least as anything other than supporting cast.

    “And who could leave out Vin Diesel – a proper old-fashioned action hero as wooden as Nelson’s navy.”

    I am properly ashamed that I left him and the Rock out. Saw them both in Fast and Furious 6 last week – it is a long story, I don’t want people to think this is my normal film fare. Although thinking I watch Woody Allen would be worse.

  9. The Bourne films are a mystery to me although I have not seen any.

    Well, if you haven’t seen them wouldn’t you expect them to be a mystery to you? Having seen them myself, I love them and think they were a real breath of fresh air in the thriller genre.

    Mirren plays a gun-toting assassin in Red.

    Point is, I doubt any of the elderly action heroes (Willis, Stallone, Schwarzenegger) are considered “sexy” at the age they are now either. We know that the “sexy” age window for men is later than for women, but they’re all beyond that now. Rule of thumb is about at ten year age gap, it seems (a woman’s Wile E. Coyote moment is mid 30s, a man’s is mid 40’s). Thus, in “Red”, we see Willis romancing Mary Louise Parker, a late 40something to Willis’s late 50something.

  10. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “Well, if you haven’t seen them wouldn’t you expect them to be a mystery to you? Having seen them myself, I love them and think they were a real breath of fresh air in the thriller genre.”

    I have seen enough of them, before finding the remote, to have a reasonable idea. Besides, Matt Damon.

    “Mirren plays a gun-toting assassin in Red.”

    I have not seen the second one, but in the first one, as memory serves, her action consisted of some quiet lying in the snow, carefully and clinically shooting at people with a sniper rifle. As far away from action as you can get while still killing people. Not exactly a poster child for action films.

    “Point is, I doubt any of the elderly action heroes (Willis, Stallone, Schwarzenegger) are considered “sexy” at the age they are now either.”

    Sean Connery was 69 when he was named the Sexiest Man of the Century. I don’t think either of us is the ideal target audience for reporting this data but I would think none of them are too old to be considered sexy. Patrick Stewart is over 70 and just got married this week. Although she is a little over the hill, so she probably did not have much choice. She is 35.

    “We know that the “sexy” age window for men is later than for women, but they’re all beyond that now.”

    The massive weight of evidence to the contrary suggests otherwise.

    “Rule of thumb is about at ten year age gap, it seems (a woman’s Wile E. Coyote moment is mid 30s, a man’s is mid 40′s). Thus, in “Red”, we see Willis romancing Mary Louise Parker, a late 40something to Willis’s late 50something.”

    Hollywood films have a problem with political correctness as feminists go nuts when films actually reflect real life. I like the fact that they chose an older woman for RED but they are not making a free choice. Reality is more like Johnny Depp.

    The rule of thumb is that women largely cease to be sexually attractive to men with options by their late twenties. All men. Everywhere. No matter how old he is. As can be seen by the women that men think are sexually attractive. This is a list of Esquire Magazine’s Sexiest Women in the World awards:

    2005 Jessica Biel[16] 23
    2006 Scarlett Johansson[19] 21
    2007 Charlize Theron[20] 32
    2008 Halle Berry[21] 42
    2009 Kate Beckinsale 36
    2010 Minka Kelly 30
    2011 Rihanna 23
    2012 Mila Kunis[22] 29

    Take out Halle Berry as a AA two-fer, take into account Esquire’s market of the older richer man, as well as the fact that most of these awards are retrospective, looking at a body of work, and you have what men like. Keeping in mind plastic surgery and photoshop makes them look even younger.

    Meanwhile, for the men? This is a list of ages for their Sexiest Man:

    29 34 35 27 59 28 38 51 44 31 41 36 56 50 36 48 30 40 31 36 45 37 40 46 34 36 32

    But we have had this argument and I don’t see it is very productive to have it again. I will just point out the obvious – If nothing else it would be too hard for evolution to produce an age calculator. Whereas a simple biological response to a few subtle clues about fertility would work simply, quickly and easily. So much so that men get attracted to the simplest and crudest cartoon figures.

  11. ““Presumably because all the younger males are too metrosexual to do genuine action film.””

    *chuckles*

    Am now wondering just who the character of Tommy Wheeler in ‘Ray Donovan’ is based on… 😀

    “Hollywood films have a problem with political correctness as feminists go nuts when films actually reflect real life. “

    Not that it takes a lot for feminists to go nuts…

  12. Willis is still sexy to a large number of women….but [Dench & MIrren] are not sexy

    Yes, and here we have the core problem of the feminist age-acceptance, weight acceptance, whatever-acceptance movement. They don’t want what they say they want.

    I accept old people, fat people, thin people, young people, people of all creeds and colours, sexualities, with or without disabilities, limbs &c. I will treat all of them with the same courtesy, or lack of it, depending on whether I have a hangover / caffeine withdrawal or not. I just only fancy a really small proportion of them, and all of those female, and fitting my personal definition of attractive.

    Needless to say, when you are looking about for someone to fulfil the job description of ‘being fanciable’ – viz. to stick on the cover of a magazine or to entice the hungover to watch your saturday morning youth-oriented programme, you have to take into account the Highest Common Factors, which will usually involve being relatively svelte, fairly pneumatic, and having a reasonably symetrcial face. That way, I might like them, and so might someone with largely different personal sexual preferences, and you maximise your audience.

    So when the femibores go on about how they want to see more older or fatter women doing these jobs, they may say they want ‘acceptance’ but what they mean is they want these people to be fancied.

    Which, given that their whole schtick is meant to be about not objectifying women sexually, kind of makes a bit of a fucking mockery of their argument, doesn’t it?

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    Chris – “I can give you the address of a course on how to get a life if it helps.”

    Thank you Chris. That is very kind. Do you have one for a course on how to produce an argument like a grown up that does not resort to stupid attempts to shame other people?

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