I call bollocks on this number

OK, so they’re talking about sex tourism as well as the local population having a go but seriously:

Estimates put the total number of sex workers in Germany at anywhere between 400,000 and one million.

There’s 80 million Germans or so, meaning perhaps 30-35 million men of an age that could, conceivably, visit a tart.

Prices are said to be around the €40 a visit level. Standard practice is that the brothel takes half, the tart the other half. So, €20 a punter for the girl.

Prostitution earns more money than other jobs: this is well known. So, a working girl must be making €3,000 a month or up. €750 a week or around 40 punters a week.

If there’s a million on the game then that means each and every male in the country must be going once a week on average. And that just doesn’t sound right at all does it?

I’m sure I’ve seen somewhere that lifetime use of a tart is something like 10% of the male population. Even if that’s wrong (because it’s from somewhere where it’s illegal) that higher figure simply must be wrong.

There’s just no way there’s going to be a million tarts in a population of 80 million. Not a chance.

15 thoughts on “I call bollocks on this number”

  1. So Much for Subtlety

    I think the number is b0ll0cks too, but I have read a study of prostitution in Chicago that found a surprising number of part time prostitutes – women who only work holidays or when the big game is in town. I am ashamed to admit it was probably Freakanomics.

    However the more likely cheat they have done is re-define sex work. Are strippers in the sex industry? Waitresses at Hooters? It is a standard trick.

    Although the point of the article is that men are coming from all over Europe to sleep with Eastern Europeans in German brothels (What? The wife got suspicious of all the meetings held in Prague?). So the number of Germans forking out for a quick shag on the sly is not really here or there.

  2. ‘Sex workers’ does not only include ladies (and gentlemen and transsexuals) of negotiable affection, but also all support staff – down to a cleaner or accountant – as well as anyone engaged in ancillary trades like porn, selling sex-toys, stocking condom machines in pubs, and so-on.

  3. I suppose it’s plausible as the number of people currently in Germany who have ever worked as prostitutes, including not only SMFS’s large number but many who tried it and decided rather rapidly they didn’t want to continue.

  4. Interesting comment from Sonja at the Telegraph article:

    As concerns the numbers, actual researchers (Kavemann & Steffan) have pointed out that the 400,000 estimate was made by an NGO back in the 1980s and was never based on any scientific method. There is currently no reliable evidence about how many sex workers there are and where they come from.

  5. So Much for Subtlety

    Jonathan Jones – so it is the usual Bindel-ish-bullsh!t. No big surprise. Of course NGOs do this. They ought to be black balled when they get caught – no more government funding.

    In the meantime I would suggest my own guestimate is closer to the truth – there are no sex workers in Germany. Zero. Nil. Zilch. Nada. Any you may see are a figment of your imagination. Why do I think so? As with porn I would have thought that the amateurs have pushed the real professionals out of business. I mean really, who can’t pick up in a big European city these days?

  6. When an estimate is between 400,000 and 1 million out of 80 million, it’s not an estimate.

    It’s a guess. And they are not worth a tinker’s cuss.

  7. If you want to talk about this you really need to look at…well…economics. Supply & demand & all that. If there really was the remunerative work for hookers in Krautland, all our girls (many of them E.European) currently providing their services for the price of a cheap lunch, would be hotfooting north to sell their delightful asses to men in lederhosen. And it ain’t happening.

    (Think your 50% house cut’s a bit optimistic, Tim. The land of the FKK’s not my area of expertise but sources would have it similar to our third/two thirds to the madchen’s favour. On the other hand, the vagaries of German law will have a lot of girls paying bar rent. So if trade’s slack it can tilt the balance)

  8. @SMfS
    “I would have thought that the amateurs have pushed the real professionals out of business.”
    Oh that raised a laugh.
    The big beef with the chicas who work the Navy Bar in Banus is the Brit girls come down on holiday, outslut the professionals & give away what they charge good money for. They are not happy bunnies.

  9. @BiS… Glad to hear that “The Navy” is still in existance… Not been there for years! ISTR that the ladies of negotiable virtue who plied their trade in there were a tad pricy, so maybe not so tricky for the brits to out-slut them! 🙂

  10. I mean really, who can’t pick up in a big European city these days?

    Ah, but you don’t pay for sex: you pay them to leave, not ask for a number, and to keep their mouth shut. For married blokes with kids, this is worth paying for.

  11. The campaign industry has been doing this since its inception. There were similar ludicrous estimates of the number of prostitutes in London in the 19th century.

  12. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    I agree with Tim, it’s a ludicrous figure. One in forty women in Germany is, or has been a prostitute? No basis in reality.

    smfs – you are so full if shit it burns. One thread you’re decrying the presence of the state in the bedroom whining that your freedom’s impinged cos you can’t rape your wife no more, despite the fact that you’re anti-drugs and you’re willing for the State to intercede between a Man and his mind. (You’re no fan of privacy, rxcept when it suits)

    The next you’ve gone all silly-arse Marxist with your ‘crime is a social construct’ inanities. You really are a shameless twat. Can’t wait for your simpering over ‘natural law’ next week.

    Now you’re trying to con us that you’ve actually had sex and that the act might be repeated . Get.The. Fuck. Out.

    You have the distinction of being despised by both Left and Right, (and not because you’re telling the truth and disturbing both), but because you’re a hate-monger who bespoils any idea he touches. You’re the Mail incarnate, with your putrid self-satisfaction and your wilful , malignant deceit.

    You are a cunt and you know you are.

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    Witchsmeller Pursuivant – “One thread you’re decrying the presence of the state in the bedroom whining that your freedom’s impinged cos you can’t rape your wife no more”,

    I know basic honesty is asking too much, but I have never decried the loss of anyone’s right to rape their wife.

    “despite the fact that you’re anti-drugs and you’re willing for the State to intercede between a Man and his mind. (You’re no fan of privacy, rxcept when it suits)”

    I have a nuanced position on drugs that is clearly a waste of time to explain here, but I wonder what the relevance is? The State is not interceding between a man and his mind. They are making the production, ownership and trafficking of certain drugs without doctor’s permission illegal. As we would probably agree some should be – thalidomide for instance. But don’t let me interrupt the hate.

    “The next you’ve gone all silly-arse Marxist with your ‘crime is a social construct’ inanities. You really are a shameless twat. Can’t wait for your simpering over ‘natural law’ next week.”

    How is that Marxist? This is a very good example of how society has decided that something that was not a crime, now is. A social construct. I usually do simper over natural law so do pay attention, it cannot take long.

    “Now you’re trying to con us that you’ve actually had sex and that the act might be repeated . Get.The. Fuck. Out.”

    Look on the bright side, at least I am not reproducing. Although naturally your obsession with my sex life, or lack thereof, has no basis in anything I have said.

    “You have the distinction of being despised by both Left and Right, (and not because you’re telling the truth and disturbing both), but because you’re a hate-monger who bespoils any idea he touches. You’re the Mail incarnate, with your putrid self-satisfaction and your wilful , malignant deceit.”

    If only I could parlay that into a job at the Mail. They pay well I here.

    “You are a cunt and you know you are.”

    No, it is irrelevant if I am or not. But you are not here to make a valid point are you?

  14. So Much for Subtlety

    Speaking of prostitution and drugs, I think it is obvious how the Co-op managed to lose so much money:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508464/Crystal-meth-shame-bank-chief-Counting-20-notes-buy-hard-drugs-man-ran-Co-op-Bank–days-telling-MPs-lost-700m.html

    I am actually most surprised that he was openly texting what he was and no one seemed to notice or care. Although the decline in trustworthiness among English rent boys is distressing in its own way.

  15. “Prices are said to be around the €40 a visit level” , dunno, but i would be surprised if you could get anything worth having for that.If she’s at all pretty and young i’d have thought more than 100 at the rougher end of the market and more yet in the sort of brothel anyone blogging here might want to visit.

    Also, as smfs says, many of the girls might part time.

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