Timmy elsewhereNovember 29, 2013 Tim WorstallTimmy Elsewhere15 CommentsAt the ASI. It’s only taken them a week to move from censoring child porn on the internet to censoring “extremism”. previousThis isn’t tax avoidance, damnit!nextRitchie actually gets some economics right! 15 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere” Rob November 29, 2013 at 10:35 am Our political class consider it ‘extremist’ to want to leave the European union, or to be in favour of limiting immigration, or to be completely unfazed by ‘climate change’. How soon before websites expressing those opinions are banned? Ironman November 29, 2013 at 10:57 am Yep, no proper Tories left. So Much For Subtlety November 29, 2013 at 11:06 am Rob – “Our political class consider it ‘extremist’ to want to leave the European union, or to be in favour of limiting immigration, or to be completely unfazed by ‘climate change’. How soon before websites expressing those opinions are banned?” We’re getting off lucky. At least our government does not pay the Southern Poverty Law Centre a small fortune to lecture law enforcement on what is and is not extremism. Because they have decided that a bunch of social inadequates who teach the even more inadequate how to persuade women to sleep with them are the new face of extremism: http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/09/the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-now-w It won’t be long before TW is deemed an extremist and none of us are allowed to read his website. Steve November 29, 2013 at 11:29 am So it wasn’t about “won’t somebody please think of the children!” after all? How did we manage to elect a government even more authoritarian than New Labour? JamesV November 29, 2013 at 11:43 am @SMFS, IanB will be along shortly with further observations on how we are ruled by evangelical puritans who have declared war on male sexuality. I tend to agree. Ian B November 29, 2013 at 11:47 am Everything I’ve said before. First they came for the smokers, but I was not a smoker… Brokenshire has much form by the way. If there’s an authoritarian measure proposed, you can bet that he’s there at the front of the mob, fiddling spastically with his tiny willy. ukliberty November 29, 2013 at 11:48 am It was only last week that I was musing, elsehere, on the subject of the censorship of child pornography. … I worried, gently, that at some future time perhaps this same tactic would be extended to other subjects. Oooh, I dunno, political extremism perhaps, racism, depending upon who is in power perhaps feminism or, if the House goes the other way, anything deemed anti-feminist. Some time ago I listed here a list of broad subjects they intended to ban and I think Ian B has too. Aside from the topics people are no longer to access or discuss, there is also the question of how its done – it’s not done via Parliament, it’s done by the executive via deals made with ISPs. Ian B November 29, 2013 at 11:51 am How did we manage to elect a government even more authoritarian than New Labour? Well for a start, everyone ignored my numerous comments warning that the Tories are precisely the same and not to vote for the bastards. What happened? “Anything but the Labours!” was the cry, and the sheep filed in and voted this shower of shits into power. Steve November 29, 2013 at 12:07 pm Ian – I was one of those sheep. I wasn’t totally blind to Mr Cameron’s party’s faults, but I did foolishly expect them to be a substantially lesser evil than their predecessors. I expected less nanny state and more liberty. Never again. PF November 29, 2013 at 12:33 pm There are smaller ISPs that are quite clear with their approach to this. Adrian Kennard, for example at AAISP, gives potential customers a sensible option: http://aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-realinternet.html Ie, one can either choose “an unfiltered service”, or “another ISP, or move to North Korea” ! They do not filter their service, they basically insist that customers / parents etc take proper responsibility for what they are doing, which is very refreshing. Re politicians, one can only presume that the various intelligence services must simply have loads of dirt on all of these people, and hence are easily able to blackmail the key people the moment they enter Government? I am at a loss otherwise to reconcile, on the one hand the Conservatives’ ideological opposition to ID cards prior to 2010, with on the other hand Theresa May then being utterly desperate to get the Communications Data Bill (Snooper’s Charter) passed through Parliament? I do wonder how would David Davies might have fared in her role..:) Ian B November 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm Different personalities would have made little difference. The politicians in a progressivised political system just convert into law policies negotiated by the extra-governmental network of special interests. By the time things get to this stage, the decisions are already made, and accepted by the ruling class in general, though they may joust for effect about the details. PF November 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm @ Ian It’s an interesting point you make, and suggests that one might as well vote for the chimpanzee – ie, it will likely never make any difference? It’s probably a far more detailed discussion than I have time for right now, but I’m not sure I am completely with you on that? I think different personalities / leaders “can” influence real change? Ian B November 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm PF, I think there’s basically no real hope of any significant change by evolutionary means. The only way things are going to improve is if somebody can get elected who goes in with a thorough structure analysis of the system as it stands, and the will to break it. The nearest we’ve had to that in living memory was Thatcher. Cameron and similar PPE wonks don’t even have the desire to do that, so we’re on a hiding to nowhere voting for them. I doubt even a supposed outsider like Farage would grasp the magnitude of the task, though Tim might disagree. I think the problem was summed up by Richard (EU Referendum) North; I can’t remember the exact quote, but he described it said by somebody (unnamed) who had been a Minister. It was something like, “you get into politics and imagine getting into office and doing all these things, then when you get here you find the levers aren’t connected to anything”. The government is a structure. The “Left” are very bad at policy, but they are extremely good at structure. When Tony Blair gained power, for the first parliament people complained that New Labour seemed to be doing nothing. WHat they were doing was all structural; setting up departments and partnerships and committees and so on. Creating structure that it would be very hard for any subsequent adminstration- even one that is well clued up and zealous- to dismantle or work around. Libertarians/conservatives/etc cannot hope to achieve any significant, meaningful change without a government of structure. Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance has written well about this, particularly in his book “Culture War” but also given talks, etc. Basically our hypothetical government of the Not-Left would have to take a scythe to the structure of the State- rapidly, mercilessly, so fast that its apparatchiks cannot respond. Any attempts to introduce some meaningful change by traditional system methods is doomed. For instance, in this case, you do not enter government and appoint a Royal Commission to discuss options relating to communications. You close down OFCOM, all its subsidiaries, the IWF, ATVOD and the rest of the apparat. In the first week of your administration. Because it is in that structure- a persistent structure immune to elections, accountable only to itself and its friends- where the power lies. And so on. That kind of thing. bloke in france November 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm “you get into politics and imagine getting into office and doing all these things, then when you get here you find the levers aren’t connected to anything”. phew! some good news from IanB for once. Mr Ecks November 29, 2013 at 3:36 pm The economic end-game is now upon us and these shites are trying to grab enough power so that they can (they hope) survive a world in which tens of millions are ruined and full of rage. Also TPTB are all but out of economic options. Part of Hitler’s appeal to the Germans was his seeming economic “success”. He was doing what our idiots have been doing for 60 years now (“government” spending , subsidy etc–it was new when he was doing it) and have no more rope to do. So even if some “strongman” is voted in or takes over he will have little economic room to do much. The only option for a real fix is economic freedom and the market or back to the dark ages. Don’t despair. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.